--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00012Date: 05/02/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 11:21am \/To: "NANCY K. MARTIN" (Read 0 times) Subj: Double messages In an epistle to All dated 17 Apr 97 00:01, "Nancy K. Martin" writes: NM> For the last two or three days, I have NM> been getting two coppies of NM> messages. Why is this? What what? Mike ___ PCRR QWK 1.60 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00013Date: 05/02/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 09:53am \/To: DAVID ANDREWS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Expired Listing In an epistle to David Andrews dated 14 Apr 97 15:07, David Andrews writes: DA> The ECHOLIST listing has been renewed so we are safely DA> still on the Fidonet backbone. Great! I occasionally like to get these echos thru my local Fido BBS and it's nice to know we're still hanging in there even though the Fido-based traffic is way down. > DA> here. I got behind in updating Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. > DA> the elist, because of the loss of > DA> some computer files. However, there > DA> is a one month grace period and I > DA> will do it this week end. > DA> David Andrews, Moderator > DA> On 1997-04-09 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org > DA> said to dandrews@visi.com > BL>X-Listname: NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List > BL>8 April 1997 Ottawa Canada > BL>I thought this conference was alive, > well and had a designated > BL>moderator. > BL>.... Catch the Blue Wave! > DA> David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) > DA> or BBS: (telnet to nfbnet.org) or call (612) 696-1975 > DA> Net-Tamer V 1.08 - Registered > DA> -!- > DA> ! Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet > DA> Email Gateway (1:282/1045) ___ PCRR QWK 1.60 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00014Date: 05/07/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 02:22pm \/To: PETE DONAHUE (Read 0 times) Subj: house access for disable In an epistle to All dated 17 Apr 97 13:18, Pete Donahue writes: PD> Does anyone know about the state of PD> access for the disabled i.e. guide dog PD> users to the floor of the United PD> States House of Representatives? Dunno about the current state of things. However, back in either 1982 or 1983, I believe, then Speaker TIP ONeill invited a group of Federationists onto the floor of the House. I would surmise that at least one of them used a guide dog. Jim Gashel can provide more specifics; I hadn't started coming to the Washington Seminars at that time but remember something from a Presidential Release. Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. ___ PCRR QWK 1.60 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00015Date: 05/02/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 10:04am \/To: PETE DONAHUE (Read 0 times) Subj: San Antonio air Port Sec In an epistle to All dated 14 Apr 97 21:49, Pete Donahue writes: PD> Last night I met Mary's flight from PD> Arrizona and received a much better PD> time of it with the air port securrity PD> service when I checked in. There Glad it worked out better, Pete. With the increased security requirements recently ordered by FAA, I think everyone is feeling his/her way. That's no excuse for the abysmal treatment Harvey received or that you received when you saw Mary off. But we may have to change our standards slightly from that with which we have long become familiar. For example, as a cane user, I am familiar with the problems which often arise when one tries to keep one's cane while passing thru security. In the past, I insisted on keeping my fiberglass or carbon fiber NFB cane with me even when going thru the metal detector. Most of the time, it did not set the detector off. Lately, however, security personnel have those detectors set so sensitive that my cane *always* makes the thing ring. I therefore now routinely and without protest give my cane to one of the security personnel while traversing the metal detector. Although I am as militant a Federationist as any, I recognize that times change. We must recognize the new reality and go with the flow. My advice now is therefore to let someone hold your cane; it isn't worth having the detector set off and having to go back thru without your cane when one could do that in the first place. Incidentally, for my money, I prefer to be hand-scanned or, if you will, frisked, rather than going thru the detector. Hand-scanning is quicker and, in my estimation, more thorough. I had a lot of trouble, however, last November when I took a flight to Spokane, WA, and was wearing a suit which uses suspenders on the pants. That detector just wouldn't shut up! (grin) Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. ___ PCRR QWK 1.60 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00016Date: 05/02/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 10:11am \/To: PETE DONAHUE (Read 0 times) Subj: Seeing Eye's bad dogs In an epistle to All dated 15 Apr 97 21:58, Pete Donahue writes: PD> He chews up the carpetting in PD> our bedroom today. Perhaps some other Hmmm ... Guess that's *one* way to get one's fiber! Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. ___ PCRR QWK 1.60 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00017Date: 05/17/97 From: JAMES SOFKA Time: 07:15pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Urgent life scan soft ware From: James Sofka Subject: Urgent life scan soft ware Hy all i need a doss version of utility.exe by life scan. If you could e-mail the file to me to night that wood be great. I haft to retrieve data frum two meters tonight. Thanks in advance. Jim Sofka. --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00018Date: 05/17/97 From: PETE DONAHUE Time: 08:52pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Blindtlk@nfbnet.org From: Pete Donahue Subject: Re: Blindtlk@nfbnet.org Hello Mike and listers, While they may not do it as standard operating proceedure some of our own guide dog schools have trained dogs to work on aperson's right sided to allow blind persons with additional disabilities such as a missing left hand or savier arthritis on their left side touse a guide dog. I know that SeeingEye has trained a few and I think that Guide Dogs of the Desert, and Guide Dogs of America have also trained some of these dogs too. Peter donahue --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00019Date: 05/17/97 From: PETE DONAHUE Time: 09:08pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: San Antonio air Port Sec From: Pete Donahue Subject: Re: San Antonio air Port Sec Hello Mike and listers, The Faa would do well to keep it's other priorrities straight as well. They fought or may continue to fight us on our right to sit in the seat of our choice, but as has been exposed intthe news lately they are doing next to nothing to require that air lines install smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in cargo holds to hopefully ward off another Value Jet or TWA 800 disaster. Yes they would do well to get their safety initiatives straight and leave us alone and deal with real problems and not immaginary ones. Peter Donahue --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00020Date: 05/17/97 From: STEVE JACOBSON Time: 10:03pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB -=> Quoting Andy Baracco to All <=- AB> The Hungarian Communists asked the Russians to come in. Opponants of AB> Dubzch asked the Russians to come in. The question is, who asked AB> Jernigan to come into California. Answer, nobody I know. The 1970's for us were like the 1960's for the nation. As a participant in the legal action against the Minneapolis Society for the Blind, I can say from experience that there were immense pressures on many of us, and I do not mean perceived or imagined pressures. Calls were made to some of our employers to undercut our positions, outright falsehoods were passed to newspapers, and I can go on and on but I won't. One of the saddest moments for me during that period was when the Minneapolis Society bragged, with some substantiation, that Californians who were angry with our national officers were helping the Minneapolis Society for the Blind in their proxy battle against us. I say all of this to convey the fact that I have very strong feelings about some of the things that happened in California and in Iowa in the 1970's. My stomach still tightens when I remember how articles in the Des Moines _register_ were express mailed to blind people here in Minnesota so they could distribute them on the very day they were published. Yes, it is obvious that there still are many of us who have emotional linkages to some of the events mentioned here, but we're not going to change it now. There are enough honest differences of opinions on today's issues to keep this list active for a long time. Steve Jacobson but who am I helping? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5P00021Date: 05/17/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 09:37pm \/To: PETE DONAHUE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: air lines -=> Quoting Pete Donahue to All <=- PD> From: Pete Donahue PD> Subject: Re: air lines PD> Hello walt and listers, PD> If anything was wrong with our taking the air lines to task I bbelieve PD> that it is in not making our own members and others thoroughly PD> understand why all the fuss over the seating of blind passingers. PD> Perhaps if more of a connection was made between this, and encouraging PD> the air lines to employ blind persons maybe more people would PD> understand the connection and there wouldn't be as much opposition from PD> both with, and out side of the Federation, and yes, much more could PD> have been done. I am not sure the airlines thing could have been improved by relating it to employment, maybe but who knows. We don't have many people in a lot of industries, not just airlines. We tend to be concentrated in certain sgements and professions, most of whom are not in private industry. I think a large part of the problem with the airlines issue was and is that most people are not far enough along in how they view blind persons and our abilities to see it as a civil rights issue. If you have doubts about blind people and our abilities, the safety thing makes perfect sense. This isn't true only of the sighted public, but many blind persons too. It was the right issue at the wrong time. Maybe some day we will be ready for it, but not now. David Andrews ... Exercise your right to arm and keep bears! --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: NFB NET St. Paul, MN (612) 696-1975 (1:282/1045)