--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5K00011Date: 05/15/97 From: ANDY BARACCO Time: 11:04pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB Dear Jim. We don't have to read revisionist history. WE WERE THERE!!!, and it wasn't 1984. On Thu, 15 May 1997, James Sofka wrote: > > > Hy Ron and Andy apparently you all have short memories and are not very > active members. > In no way wood i say he had a little ego problem. > He should have bin sent to jail. > Take Harveys advice and reed your momitors and than come back and > intelligently discuss the matter. > Jim Sofka. > On Thu, 15 May 1997 hheagy@delphi.com wrote: > > > > > > > On 1997-05-15 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said: > > NF>in my opinion! > > NF>Bob Acosta did far more good for both the CCB and A-C-B, than he > > NF>ever did harm! > > NF>He gave 15 years to the cause, though as a very charismatic person, > > NF>power kind of went to his head a bit! > > That's the under statement of the year. If I were living the > > kind of lifestyle he was living for those fifteen years I would > > have "given to the cause," too although it would be more accurate > > to say he took from the cause > > NF>James, I'd sure like to see your documentation in saying Bob Acosta > > NF>ripped off A-C-B. > > Where have you been? I refer you to the article in the June 1994 > > issue of the Braille Monitor called, "Robert Acosta: a Study in Lavish Living > > and Limousines." You don't remember when John Lopez whom he thought was one of > > his lieutenants blew the whistle on him for what he was doing with > > C.C.B. money? Maybe C.C.B. has hundreds of thousands of dollars to > > spend on Mr. Acosta's personal lavish lifestyle, but I think the money could > > have been better spent helping blind related causes than for > > taking limousines to Dodger games and other such things. He > > should have been prosecuted by all rights and C.C.B. will > > probably never get that money back. > > And don't forget that he was also forced off the national A.C.B. > > board for his wrong doing just as he was expelled from the N.F.B. > > I don't know whether he was officially expelled from the A.C.B. or not, but he > > was certainly brought down and his efforts to form a third national organization > > of blind people failed miserably. > > > > But I would say, just read the article most of which is taken > > directly from C.C.B. board meeting transcripts and see if that's > > how you would want your organization's money spent. > > NF>Don't forget, NFB spent over one million dollars back in the late > > NF>1970's trying to get the treasury of California back. And the NFB > > NF>lost that one badly. > > Wrong, we ultimately won that law suit. > > NF>Don't forget, both Sharon Gold and Kenneth have had their share of > > NF>messing things up over the years! > > You do have a partial point. When Robert Acosta did it, it was > > spread all over the Monitor and on presidential releases, but > > when Sharon Gold misused money and abused her power which > > eventually forced her resignation from both the national board of > > directors and California state president, it was kept relatively quiet > > especially the mess with the Lawrence Marcellino Center for the > > Blind which crashed almost as soon as it began. > > > > Harvey > > > > > > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5K00012Date: 05/15/97 From: ANDY BARACCO Time: 11:07pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB The Hungarian Communists asked the Russians to come in. Opponants of Dubzch asked the Russians to come in. The question is, who asked Jernigan to come into California. Answer, nobody I know. On Thu, 15 May 1997, Pete Donahue wrote: > > > Hello Harvey and listers, > > One more point is in order to make this piecure complete. Last night a > message was posted here likening the operation of our National Board of > Directors coming in to California to the Russians coming in to Hungary > and Chezkoslovakia. Did anyone stop to think that peraaps the assistance > from the National Organization was requested. And given the situation at > the time I am sure that those in California who wanted the Federation to > retain it's integretycalled for help from Dr. Jernigan and the National > Board as it was needed to straighten the mess out. Please don't just > assume that the National board just marches in when things go wrong. > Their help must be sought. this is also true of local chapters and state > affiliates. I know of a local chapter President wwho when she realized > that the situation confronting her was too big for her to handle alone she > called for help from her state's leaders. Please, let's stop this > business of likening our state and National Leaders to dictators, > comunists or something else like that. It just isn't true! > > Peter donahue > > > > > --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5K00013Date: 05/15/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 11:28pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: None From: David Andrews Subject: Re: None Your message got through fine. Welcome to the list. David Andrews, Moderator On 1997-05-14 NFB-Talk@NFBnet.org said to dandrews@visi.com NF>X-Listname: NFBnet NFB-Talk Mailing List NF>X-Mailer: Juno 1.23 NF>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1 NF>tHIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF ANYONE GETS THIS MESSAGE. I LOOK FORWARD NF>TO HEARING FROM ALL OF MY FRIENDS FROM wASHINGTON sTATE. David Andrews (dandrews@visi.com) or BBS: Fidonet 1:282/1045 (612) 696-1975 Net-Tamer V 1.08 - Registered --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5K00014Date: 05/16/97 From: DAVID ANDREWS Time: 12:01am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Purpose of List From: DAVID ANDREWS <72157.3547@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Purpose of List This is just a reminder to those of you who use the NFB Talk Echo and mailing list. The purpose of the group is for the discussion of topics of interest to NFB members and our friends. The purpose is not to throw stones at the NFB, or any other organization for that matter. We may have strayed a little from that purpose in the past couple days. David Andrews, Moderator --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5K00015Date: 05/16/97 From: MACK73DEN@AOL.COM Time: 01:31am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB From: MACK73DEN@aol.com Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB It is very interesting what revisionist history can do for a person. I sat in the front room of Tony Mannino's home at listened to him plan to remove Bob Acosta from the state leadership of California Affiliate. I sat in on at least one meeting in 1976 when Bob planned on how he was going to get rid of Jerry Drake, Tony Mannino and Muzzy Marcelino. I watched as Bob rigged a West Valley Chapter Raffle in the fall of 1974. I watched as Bob tried to drive myself and Linda Anderson from the affiliate because he did not like the company that Linda kept. He got up in front of the West Valley Chapter and personally attacked me for defending Linda in 1973. I watched as Bob would lie, cheat and betray his family, friends and mentors. Don't believe that their was an ethical bone in this man's body. I was there and I saw what he was capable of and what he did to destroy the affiliate as well as individual members. The untimely death of Tony and the attacks on Mr. Jernigan in Iowa directly led to Bob taking advantage of this situation to proceed with his plans to take over the affiliate. Bob was not charismatic he was a megalomaniac. Gary Mackenstadt, Fred Schroeder, Jim Fox had all left the state to persue employment opportunities. If all of these circumstances had not come together as they did Bob would never have done what he did. This is old history and it is documented. I am just happy to expend some of the disdain I have for what Bob did and is. However, I am very quick to say that we now probably have the best affiliate in California that we have had in 20 years. So, whoever or whatever Bob Acosta is, is totally irrelevant to what the National Federation of the Blind of California is accomplishing today. Denise Mackenstadt --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5L00000Date: 05/16/97 From: HHEAGY@DELPHI.COM Time: 07:35am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB From: hheagy@delphi.com Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB On 1997-05-15 ronsmith@netcom.com said: ro>James and Harvey, ro>You guys should go back in your history a bit -- To the early 1970's ro>back in Iowa. ro>Read up on all the Des Moines Register articles about Kenneth ro>Jernigan and his abuse of funds and power at the Iowa Commission! ro>This is what prompted him to flee Iowa, escaping prosecution, and ro>running off to Baltimore to start all over. You should also remember that much of what the Des Moines Register printed was later proven to be totally groundless by a committee appointed by then Governor Bob Ray to investigate the Iowa Commission for the Blind which found nothing wrong. Also Roxanne Conland an attorney who was trying to use all this trash for her own political ends could find no grounds for prosecution and failed in her bid for the governorship because of her irresponsible actions in this matter. Harvey --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5L00001Date: 05/16/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 09:05am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Dillon County NFB From: Richard Webb Subject: Re: Dillon County NFB Hello everyone, Recentlhy, Pete Donahue wrote to the list as follows: >that peraaps the assistance from the National Organization was >requested. And given the situation at the time I am sure that >those in California who wanted the Federation to retain it's >integretycalled for help from Dr. Jernigan and the National Board >as it was needed to straighten the mess out. Please don't just >assume that the National board just marches in when things go wrong. >Their help must be sought. this is also true of local chapters and >state affiliates. I know of a local chapter President wwho when >she realized that the situation confronting her was too big for her >to handle alone she called for help from her state's leaders. >Please, let's stop this business of likening our state and National >Leaders to dictators, comunists or something else like that. It >just isn't true! Peter donahue I remember moving back to Iowa after the same garbage was starting here. We had state leadership which was no longer responsive to the needs of membership, but was kowtowing to the state agency for personal gain. We're still recovering from the reorganization then, which was necessary to keep our organization focused and moving in the right direction. Sylvester Nemmers was rightly expelled from NFB, and those who chose to go with him did so of their own free will. I feel strongly that when leadership in a state or local part of the NFB does not conform with policy, the National leadership should step in. If I wanted a wishy washy leadership which was beholden to agencies for the blind, I'd join ACb or another organization, but I don't. I joined NFB because we are the voice of the blind, and work to improve conditions for the blind as well as educate the public. These goals are inconsistent with leadership which is more interested in feathering their nests than in serving their communities. Some other Monitor articles of interest: "They Want Their Easter Dinner" and a few on the Iowa situation should bring the matter into sharp focus. Bob Acosta and the expelled leader from Iowa are of a kind, and I'm glad they're gone from the sceen. As a final note, should the Sylvester Nemmers and Bob Acosta ilk become the norm, my money and support will go elsewhere. Regards, Richard Webb, Electric Spider Productions Library music, music on hold, voice-overs, jingles & demos. Email for voice and postal mail contact info. Amateur call kb0ruu [The above doesn't necessarily reflect my opinions, since by the time you read this I may have changed my mind.] Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5L00002Date: 05/16/97 From: RICHARD WEBB Time: 11:17am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Des Moines register crappola once again11:17:3805/16/97 From: Richard Webb Subject: Des Moines register crappola once again Hello everyone, Ron Smith wrote as follows: >You guys should go back in your history a bit -- To the early 1970's >back in Iowa. >Read up on all the Des Moins Register articles about Kennith >Jernigan and his abuse of funds and power at the Iowa Commition! >This is what prompted him to flee Iowa, escaping prosecution, and >running off to Baltimore to start all over. Wrong! Jerry Scumbag and the people at the Des Moines Register trumped up a lot of crap for the purpose of character assassination. Go back to the Monitor articles and reread them. There were no weapons being manufactured and there was no conflict of interest. There was, after the false accusations leveled by the paper, though a decline in quality of services from the Commission for the Blind under the subsequent leadership. The facts speak for themselves, Ron. I and many others can tell you this, as we were there. Ask your friends in ACB about clandestine bugging and taping of conversations without the knowledge or permission of those being recorded. It's SOP for the ACB. Mr. McDaniel, I use the term mister quite loosely, were good at it. Rigging votes and underhanded tactics were the norm for the folks who were out for personal gain and not the betterment of lives for the blind within our midst. You may respect Bob Acosta, Sylvester Nemmers and others of their ilk, but some of us wouldn't walk across the street to help them. I'm glad they're no longer part of us, as they weren't with us for the right reasons. You say you dropped out for a number of years, we'd appreciate it if you would once again if you can't ad a constructive voice. The accusations you level were false, and were proven so. THere were no criminal or civil actions taken from the result of the Des Moines register articles, and that's fact, but as normal, you Acosta sycophants don't seem to understand facts. Michael Gardner allowed those articles to be published when he was Editor of the Register for Self Aggrandizement only. In fact, he encouraged them to be published. It's fact that he was roomates in college with people who were part of the MInneapolis Society controversy, and allowed his good judgement to lapse when he printed the newspaper articles. The blind of Iowa must still work to undo the dammage. We're working toward better lives for blind folks, and don't have time to rehash this over and over. If this is why you're here, all well and good, but if you're just here to throw mud, we don't need you. Members such as you we could do without. We'll get there without you, and probably end up improving your standard of living and opportunities along the way, which, from your posts, is obviously more than you deserve Ron. If you have a problem with local goings on in California, talk to people at the National level. But, understand that this is a democratic organization, and our leaders do what membership mandates by vote at conventions on the state and national level. If you've a problem with that, this isn't the place for you. If you disagree with policy, make your voice heard in a positive way, and bring forth ideas, not innuendo and slander, and maybe you'll be taken seriously. I won't communicate with you anymore on the list about it, as folks from other countries read this listserv or echo, (depending on the way they get it) and don't need the bandwidth taken up with this, trash. Might I suggest that you Telnet to Global Blind Exchange or somewhere similar which carries the Fidonet Blinktalk echo. They might be interested, but our moderator is asking that we confine our posts here to items of interest to the movement. You've proven that you don't want to do this, but would rather dredge up old falsehoods from our past. AT this point, I'd hate to see your name come up in a national report or somewhere similar which talked about where we spend money to help folks with discrimination cases. The way you feel about our chosen leadership, I'd hate to say that any of the results of my work for the organization or contributions went to help you. Richard Webb Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive --- * Origin: NFBnet <--> Internet Email Gateway (1:282/1045) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5L00003Date: 05/15/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 12:49pm \/To: ALBERT STEN-CLANTON (Read 0 times) Subj: TEST MESSAGE In an epistle to All dated 11 May 97 20:21, Albert Sten-Clanton writes: AS> This is a test to see whether messages AS> from this BBS find their way to AS> NFBNet. Thanks! Adam adds "Woof!" Your message made it OK to Vancouver, Washington. Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. --- PCRR QWK 1.60 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Pacifier Online Data Service (1:105/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 233 NFB BLIND NEWS Ref: E5L00004Date: 05/15/97 From: MIKE FREEMAN Time: 02:06pm \/To: DOUG T TRIMBLE (Read 0 times) Subj: NONE In an epistle to All dated 14 May 97 16:14, Doug T Trimble writes: DT> tHIS IS A TEST TO SEE IF ANYONE GETS DT> THIS MESSAGE. I LOOK FORWARD TO DT> HEARING FROM ALL OF MY FRIENDS FROM wASHINGTON sTATE. Hi, Doug! Glad you're on the Internet. Your message has certainly reached Vancouver, Washington, both via the Internet listserv and via Fidonet (that's how I'm reading/replying to you now). Think you'll enjoy the endless arguments/discussions/diatribes on this and the NFB-Talk echo (grin). I'm putting you in my Internet alias file. See ya in te Big Easy. Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ ... 0x20 -- the final frontier. --- PCRR QWK 1.60 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Pacifier Online Data Service (1:105/101)