--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3A00000 Date: 03/05/97 From: TIM DILL Time: 07:10am \/To: MARGE CLARK (Read 0 times) Subj: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME -=> Marge Clark was mumbling to Tim Dill about WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME <=- MC> I thought I heard Tim Dill (1:116/3000.13) say: MC> of course. they don't do it right. "we did it THIS way in MC> California..." MC> it is ALWAYS california that quote refers to...dunno why... Well it can apply to Florida too! While we were down there, I happened to enjoy the two meetings that we went to. It seems that the AA here "forgot" (or I did) what the purpose of meetings are. ->> It's another one of my ongoing spiritual crises. MC> and, this time, not one you necessarily manufactured. No, but in order to "recharge" I need to find myself a "home" real quick... there is so long that I can run 'tween recharges ;-) MC> culture shock...and your recovery was as much (or more!) culture MC> shocked than the rest of you... Still, there's another angle... I have been undergoing "spiritual starvation" here... something to do with the sun.. or lack of it... Tim... ... Just because it's =Simple= does not make it =Easy= ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- Silver Xpress Mail System 4.00F2 * Origin: Promises BBS, Nashville, TN. (615) 367-4410 (1:116/3000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3A00001 Date: 03/04/97 From: J ENDERS Time: 10:13pm \/To: KELLY HOUGHTON (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: codependency So It is siad by Kelly Houghton about Re: codependency KH> Jay, KH> thank you for that list on codependency characteristics, I only could KH> check two characteristics that I didn't have. I suppose we need KH> meetings for codepency also? I have a feeling my life is going to be KH> tied up in meetings.I seem to have so many problems do to alcohol. I KH> don't suppose there is a easy way out of this, is there? Yes you did KH> use the right sex, I am a male kelly. KH> kelly That being the case I would suggest a book called co-dependent no more by Melany Beaty. I will also get you the address on CoDA home office so you can see if there are any registered meetings in your area. JTEnders ... BORED - have you tried reading war & peace... in one sitting ? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Phoenix Rising*Wilkes-Barre PA*Starwitch (717)822-2017 (1:268/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3A00002 Date: 03/05/97 From: EDWARD SOTT Time: 12:39am \/To: J ENDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: codependency JE> KH> Jay, JE> KH> thank you for that list on codependency characteristics, I only ould JE> KH> check two characteristics that I didn't have. I suppose we need JE> KH> meetings for codepency also? I have a feeling my life is going to be JE> KH> tied up in meetings.I seem to have so many problems do to alcohol. I JE> KH> don't suppose there is a easy way out of this, is there? Yes you did JE> KH> use the right sex, I am a male kelly. JE> KH> kelly JE> JE> That being the case I would suggest a book called co-dependent no more JE> by Melany Beaty. I will also get you the address on CoDA home office JE> so you can see if there are any registered meetings in your area. Real quick a minor correction to be made concerning the author of the book. The Author name is Melody Beatty. And I have the complete list of CoDA approved literature if you wish it I'll send it to you. Yours in Unity and Recovery Edward S. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Phoenix Rising*Wilkes-Barre PA*Starwitch (717)822-2017 (1:268/442) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3B00000 Date: 03/06/97 From: MARGE CLARK Time: 02:23pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 0 times) Subj: WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME I thought I heard TIM DILL (1:116/3000) say: MC> it is ALWAYS california that quote refers to...dunno why... ->> Well it can apply to Florida too! nope. the QUOTE is california. maybe because it's the californians who are...brasher enough to complain about how it's done where they are now? remembering my experiences with Marin Cnty meetings.... and Ray and Tim and I chuckled some about 'em...and Harriet and I still do, now that my life experiences have...caught up with the quote that seemed so funny at the time.. but I wouldn't sit in a meeting there and say "well, in Nashville we do it THIS way..."... it would just be RUDE, you know? ->> While we were down there, I happened to enjoy the two meetings that ->> we went to. It seems that the AA here "forgot" (or I did) what the ->> purpose of meetings are. I remember Mr. Wrong, when he finally did get sober, used to rave about some meetings over on the keys... ->> No, but in order to "recharge" I need to find myself a "home" real ->> quick... there is so long that I can run 'tween recharges ;-) yep. that's the trouble with running on batteries...you gotta get plugged in occassionally. ;-) ->> Still, there's another angle... I have been undergoing ->> "spiritual starvation" here... something to do with the sun.. ->> or lack of it... yep. SAD is a reality for a lot of us... and, for you, a form of culture shock...that's partly the sort of thing I was referring to. moving from so. cal to NYC in WINTER is... masochistic? yeah. that's a good term for it. ;-) --- msged 2.06 * Origin: Promises BBS, Nashville, TN (615)367-4410 (1:116/3000.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3B00001 Date: 03/06/97 From: KELLY HOUGHTON Time: 10:43pm \/To: J ENDERS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: codependency JE> That being the case I would suggest a book called co-dependent no ore JE> by Melany Beaty. I will also get you the address on CoDA home office JE> so you can see if there are any registered meetings in your area. I have read that book already. I read that book and it was very interesting. I thought she was writing that book about me. I felt like I was the main character in her book. Everything she wrote in her book is what I am going through or living in my life right now. I would just like to live my life for me for awhile instead of everybody else. I would like to stop worrying about what everybody else thinks of me and just do what I want to do, as long as it does not hurt anybody. kelly --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Coffee House BBS, Manitou Springs CO (719) 685-0695 (1:128/76) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3C00000 Date: 03/06/97 From: TIM DILL Time: 07:58pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: For your info... Area: NETMAIL Date: 03 Mar 97 21:43:43 Private From: Echolist Robot (1/201) To: Tim Dill (30210/13) Subject: Acknowledgement of Echolist update Welcome to the Elist! The message below is a confirmation of your successful addition to the Elist. Please note the next paragraph in particular. Your message dated 03 Mar 97 in Netmail requesting ELIST UPDATE of the RECOVERY echo in the Echolist database has been received. The following information has been recorded: RECOVERY 12 Step Oriented Chatting For chatting (and light sharing) among those members (or others interested in a positive way) of 12 step oriented groups. Much the kind of chatting one would hear before or after meetings and/or during coffee breaks. Moderators: Marie Weidemann, 1:268/442 Last changed: 03 Mar 97 by Tim Dill, 1:116/3000 ============================================================================= Let's Welcome Marie as the Moderator and as a favor to her I'll post the rules ONE last time (Marie take note and capture them) ----------------------------- ------------------=========================------------------------ RECOVERY ECHOMAIL CONFERENCE - FidoNet -- Status: RECOVERY is a moderated conference carried on the FidoNet Backbone. RECOVERY is an "open forum" type conversational conference for the discussion of topics related to addictions and recovery from them; also, announcements of RECOVERY related gatherings (conferences, workshops, speaker meetings, etc.) are in order. [The above paragraph does not really LIMIT the topics SINCE we ALL drank or used (or whatever word you choose) over anything and every- thing at one time or another.] RECOVERY is for those involved in the various "12 Step" recovery programs, as well as for those WHO ARE not involved in a recovery program but WHO HAVE a desire to deal with recovery from THEIR additive BEHAVIOR AND ARE INTERESTED IN CONVERSING WITH THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN 12 STEP PROGRAMS. This includes AA, NA, Al-Anon, OA, EA, SLAA and many other such 12-step-BASED groups. -- Rules: Darned few! Promotion of "commercial ventures" such as treatment facilities or clinics is not in order. General rules of social conduct are always in order. Repeated "abusive/annoying" messages * may draw comment from the moderator or be brought to the attention * of the Moderator by other conference participants. * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTE: As RECOVERY is not a part of or affiliated with _ANY_ recovery program, attempting to impose traditions, membership requirements, etc. of any specific program is out of order. To SysOps: Please refrain from posting "test" messages in this conference. The additional traffic of tests and the resulting replies is not desirable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** It is OK to give a [business not another members] address or telephone number in response to a direct request from a co-user of the echo, without further comment (no price listing or list of items etc). Just in passing:- These statements, used to guide SysOps, might well be mentioned here for all callers to note. 1.) You shall not be excessively ANNOYING. 2.) You shall not be too easily ANNOYED. ----------- ... ZenCrafters: Total enlightenment, in about an hour. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Trudging the road in Brooklyn N.Y. (1:116/3000.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3C00001 Date: 03/06/97 From: TIM DILL Time: 08:08pm \/To: MARIE WEIDEMANN (Read 0 times) Subj: You Be the NEW mod On (07 Feb 97) Marie Weidemann was mumbling to Tim Dill... MW> Okay. I hope you don't mind my picking your brains a bit when this MW> goes through. While I am a sysop and handle moderation on my own MW> echos, this is a bit different...I will need the rules and MW> instructions...:) And you will be listed as the Moderator Emeritus MW> on the monthly rules and the Elist. That's no longer a possibility, I've got my finger prints all over too many echoes as it is... so do with the echo as you will and I'll be here to answer any questions... The rules have been posted publicly (as a favor to you 'cause I had them) (I've even got the rules for a notso defunct echo that's a FAVE of mine...) Tim... ... Aw!, who let the humans in? --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Trudging the road in Brooklyn N.Y. (1:116/3000.13) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: E3C00002 Date: 03/07/97 From: KELLY HOUGHTON Time: 10:10am \/To: BOB PERLITZ (Read 0 times) Subj: sad note BP> Kelly, That is such a sad story. It really sent a chill down my spine. BP> It reminded me of a kid I went to High School with. He died over BP> Thanksgiving weekend (of his senior year) because the guy driving him BP> was stoned. I was sober only 6 weeks at that time. BP> The thought of that kid sure helped me to stay sober. BP> Thank God that was over 20 years ago and I haven't had a drink since. I wish so much that I could say I have been sober for 20yrs although that would make me much older than I want to be right now. When I did sober up for 4yrs I thought I would never go back to drinking,I sure wish I knew what went wrong and caused me to go back to drinking. I know when I did quit for those four yrs that I only stopped the symptom never found out what the problems were that were causing me to drink. I don't know if we ever find out what causes us to drink. As I said in a letter to someone that I can't remember right now,I have a lot of other problems do to alcohol than just drinking it. I thought as I grew up these problems would just go away,well thats not happening they are just compounding. The worst one of them is the self hatred. I use to wonder why I couldn't get or keep a girlfriend and my wise ol mother told me,"Kelly how do you expect someone to like or love you when you don't like yourself." One good thing is that I am back on tracked and I am aiming for that 20yrs and more GOD willing, which he is. kelly --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Coffee House BBS, Manitou Springs CO (719) 685-0695 (1:128/76)