--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00001 Date: 04/17/96 From: WILLIAM KINMOND Time: 08:24pm \/To: MARY BETH PARISI (Read 0 times) Subj: cravings??? Hello Mary! Sunday April 14 1996 15:37, Mary Beth Parisi wrote to All: MP> I've written in here a few times but haven't gotten many MP> responses back...right now this is me putting my hand out to MP> others in the program for suggestions/help...I have a little over MP> 3 1/2 yrs sober...not really important but a fact that may MP> help...I am about to graduate college and am under alot of MP> stress...I'm meditating, doing alot of meetings, talking with my MP> sponsor and others everyday...but when the stress gets high I MP> taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out of me...no one seems MP> to be able to understand this or has ever gone through it...can MP> anyone tell me anything??? I appreciate any of your ES&H you are MP> willing to give me on this... MP> I can't say that I have the same thing here but I can tell you that there are times in my life now where the stress is so high for me that I feel the rush of a shot of cocane. I was into drugs a lot more then I was into boze but it is all the same. I was under stress today and I did feel what your talking about. It felt to me like I was shooting up right there in the middle of the place that I was. I know that I had to end it right then and there for if I did not then I would be out there looking for the real thing. I had to start to play the whole tape that was running in my head. For it was just that a tape of what it would feel like to do that. I played it to the end to see that if I did go and get it I would be at the bottom again. For me it was a way to let me know that my monster is still there and looking for me to feed it again. It has been 2 years and 3 months for me. It tells me that I still have a lot of work to do here. William ... It's not the money I want, it's the stuff. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Truck Stop BBS * Rochester NY * (716) 235-0992 (1:2613/403.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00002 Date: 04/17/96 From: WILLIAM KINMOND Time: 08:30pm \/To: PEGGY PEACH (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello Hello Peggy! Sunday April 14 1996 14:44, Peggy Peach wrote to Daile: PP> PP> Hi Daile. PP> PP> Just found this 12-step echo. Want to talk about the steps and PP> recovery? PP> PP> Gone to any meetings lately, or are you still isolating? PP> PP> Use your phone or post here, I know you lurk. PP> PP> Peggy Welcome to the echo and I do hope that it has a few things that you would like to talk about here. I like it here and have been here for a while. I don't post as much as I would like to but I do get in there and at least let every one know that I am here. William ... Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1? --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Truck Stop BBS * Rochester NY * (716) 235-0992 (1:2613/403.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00003 Date: 04/17/96 From: MARY BETH PARISI Time: 02:43pm \/To: KURT J. TISCHER (Read 0 times) Subj: cravings??? I think you are right...after I took care of all that was building up and stressing me out it passed...talked with my sponsor and he said that i have the habit of not telling people what is bothering me unless it is alcohol related and things build up to pressure cooker level...so, I have made a commitmentment to talk more to my sponsor ans support system and use this forum more often...I appreciate that someone else went through a similar thing and that I'm not going bonkers...thank you for the suggestions and please, keep in touch MB --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The 3L's BBS - Latham, NY (1:267/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00004 Date: 04/17/96 From: MARY BETH PARISI Time: 02:47pm \/To: JEFF HUNTER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: cravings??? Jeff...thanks for responding...glad I'm not in a vacume here...the fact is I am graduating in a month from college and working as well as doing an internship...the situation I was in that brought back the taste of scotch was one that I usually did drink at...took some time off this weekend to just abng around with my kid and relax...it helped emensely and then I took care of bussiness...have made a commitment to my sponsor and support system that i will talk to them more and think things are too insignificant to talk about less...I appreciate you taking the time to let me know you are there...please, keep in touch ] MB --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The 3L's BBS - Latham, NY (1:267/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00005 Date: 04/17/96 From: MARY BETH PARISI Time: 02:51pm \/To: TREE WALSH (Read 0 times) Subj: cravings??? Hi Tree...thanks for letting me know this...actually I tell clients this all the time but forgot it for myself...but now I realize that I am not superwoman and need to relax more and take more time with friends...I'm glad to hear from you and that i'm not going nuts...the fact that this never happened to me in 3 1/2 years doesn't make me inmune...needed to hear it from others in the same situation to calm my jets...thank you Keep in touch MB --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: The 3L's BBS - Latham, NY (1:267/124) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00006 Date: 04/17/96 From: JOAN REA Time: 03:00pm \/To: TREE WALSH (Read 0 times) Subj: cravings??? Thank you! This is a thing which has come up once in a while for me for 26 years and I've never had any explanation, just weird looks. I'm a diabetic as well as alcoholic and, when my blood sugars drop too low or get very high, I can taste blackberry brandy. Even doctors have just ahemmed and said 'strange.' AA members used to give me weird looks so I haven't talked about it for several years. Live & learn eh? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: /* CR/2 */ Edmonton, AB, CAN. 33.6 v34+. 403-453-5711 (1:342/5011) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00007 Date: 04/17/96 From: SHADOWCAT Time: 01:03am \/To: JUDITH AND ESTHER (Read 0 times) Subj: regarding your discussions... I often talk about how important time in more than one recovery program has been to me. Now, the most important meetings in my recovery are my readings on these conferences. :) I had an experience that really cut through me on Sunday night, and you two were talking about passover, and I want to share this: I was at a poetry reading, in the dining room of an Inn. I have started to do public poetry readings this year, it feels really good. After the readings, those that didn't leave congregated in the Inn, with drinks. I had a 7-up, and felt like I WANTED to be there, because It was strange to be in a bar (I don't go there too often now) and I was conscious of how many of the people I was with were active alcoholics, and it wasn't good or bad, it was just an experience, until the people I was with started talking about bacon. One said that bacon was only good as a garnish.... and the other said that bacon was really bad stuff so I piped in: "Yes, but Ihave to admit, whether it's PC or not, I really love bacon. I cook with it, I use it, it's a staple in my fridge...." To which this woman replies: "Oh really, you must be jewish!" to which I was really stunned. What on earth would one's religion have to do with what we were saying! "Excuse me?" I said. "I don't understand." "Oh it's simple," she told me. "Bacon is forbidden to jewish people, so that makes them simply love it, they're crazy about it, can't keep their hands off it." I told her I was shocked to hear such an openly prejudiced statement spoken in public so casually. She got into argue mode, trying to tell me that this was just a fact, and that "everyone knew it". I was upset, and she challenged that, and I was able to say "there is NOTHING wrong with my feelings. You said what you said, and I reacted how I reacted. I have every right to my own reactions. They're mine. They aren't right or wrong, they are mine." Before I was in recovery I think I would have reacted worse, but I feel really good being able to stand up to this woman, to stand my ground... and not be told that my feelings were wrong. I am still upset about her prejudicial statement, which is why I wanted to write about this here today. Thanks for listening, now, somebody please comment back. Bye for now Have a great one everyone... :) Shadowcat --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: The Alano Club (604)739-1188 (1:153/840) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00008 Date: 04/16/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 09:27am \/To: MARY BETH PARISI (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: cravings??? Hi Mary, Sunday April 14 1996 15:37, Mary Beth Parisi wrote to All: MBP> over 3 1/2 yrs sober...not really important but a fact that MBP> may help...I am about to graduate college and am under alot MBP> of stress...I'm meditating, doing alot of meetings, talking MBP> with my sponsor and others everyday...but when the stress MBP> gets high I taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out of Change! Change is scary. When one is scared, what is the first reaction? Run for safety. If, in the past, safety was found in the bottle, then that's what you will head for subconcsiously. Simple really. (I am having exactly the same problem for the same reason, though the difference in my case is that I don't have any 'time'). I haven't a clue how to solve the problem, but would love to hear any practical suggestions..... Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (voice)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00009 Date: 04/16/96 From: KEN STUCKAS Time: 05:53pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Archivist -=>New prespectives must be true. I heard it from Tim Dill. TD> On (13 Apr 96) Richard Ward was mumbling to Tim Dill... RW> Those of the "pack rat" nature, I suppose. ;-) TD> I prefer the word "archivest".... Love it. Stolen for a tagline. ... I'm not a pack rat! I prefer "archivist." --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4N00010 Date: 04/16/96 From: KEN STUCKAS Time: 05:53pm \/To: MARY BETH PARISI (Read 0 times) Subj: cravings??? -=>cravings??? must be true. I heard it from Mary Beth Parisi. MBP> I've written in here a few times but haven't gotten many responses MBP> back...right now this is me putting my hand out to others in the MBP> program for suggestions/help...I have a little over 3 1/2 yrs MBP> sober...not really important but a fact that may help...I am about to MBP> graduate college and am under alot of stress...I'm meditating, doing MBP> alot of meetings, talking with my sponsor and others everyday...but MBP> when the stress gets high I taste scotch...this is scaring the heck out MBP> of me...no one seems to be able to understand this or has ever gone MBP> through it...can anyone tell me anything??? I appreciate any of your MBP> ES&H you are willing to give me on this... Try reading the book, Eating Right To Stay Sober by Ketcham. It's an eye-opener. My sponsor "suggested" I read it when I first got sober ten years ago. We often blame cravings on the wrong thing, it seems. ... I've made up my mind. Now to find some facts ... --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129)