--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4400002 Date: 03/30/96 From: PURPLE BEAST Time: 10:44pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Area Rules Re: Area Rules WC> Area Moderator..... Please post the rules for this area..... my copy WC> of ELRUL602 does not have them..... I have a user who wishes to use WC> handle and not real name...... I need to know the official rule on WC> this. As in every other conference on fido, discretion is left to the Moderator.... When I first posted here I used "Stormbringer"... that later evolved into Raven Stormcrow a taken name... so no problem by me.... Tim Dill Asst Moderator Recovery Echo Thank you..... I posted this in two AA related conferences for a user on my system who wished to use his handle and not real name..... I have since received several responses and have now changed my set-up to allow handles in these two areas..... again, thank you. Purple's Place * 609-893-2367 * 288v34 * Fidonet --- VFIDO 7.12 * Origin: Purple's Place - An Outhouse In The 'Jersey Pines (1:266/705) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4400003 Date: 04/01/96 From: DOCTOR Time: 08:46pm \/To: TREE WALSH (Read 0 times) Subj: HI TW>I'm not a 12 step person myself. While I find that this framework >doesn't work for me I realize that it *does* work for lots of people >and I honour their program...as long as they respect my process. TW>One thing I've heard said is that we are 'all the same'. I couldn't >disagree more. Our addictions may be similar 'we' are all differen't. >Our stories (read addiction) may be the same the details are >different. IMHO Sorry but just my opinion sounds like terminal uniqueness..... --- QMPro 1.51 Hit "R" for reverse EVQWK 7.96.04 (Registered) Purple's Place * 609-893-2367 * 288v34 * Fidonet --- VFIDO 7.12 * Origin: Purple's Place - An Outhouse In The 'Jersey Pines (1:266/705) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4400004 Date: 04/01/96 From: DOCTOR Time: 08:46pm \/To: ANDREW DETTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Any body there? AD>Just to see if these messages are getting through :-) Yup it's getting here....Welcome! --- QMPro 1.51 Reality-ometer: [\........] Hmmph! Thought so... EVQWK 7.96.04 (Registered) Purple's Place * 609-893-2367 * 288v34 * Fidonet --- VFIDO 7.12 * Origin: Purple's Place - An Outhouse In The 'Jersey Pines (1:266/705) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4400005 Date: 04/02/96 From: KURT SCHAFER Time: 02:49pm \/To: RICHARD WARD (Read 0 times) Subj: topic of echo? 12 step oriented! RW>Hi Kurt, can't imagine why anyone would think "RECOVERY" RW>would be anymore RW>'coda' oriented then 'aa' oriented. ;-) I asked b/c I've seen two echo like this... This one, plus another which overtly states that it's AA-oriented. The summary statement for this echo is "12 step-oriented chat", so I wondered if it was different from the AA one. My curiosity stems from my limited involvement in CODA (not AA), and I thought this might be an interesting forum in which to take part. RW>It is for chatting and/or lite sharing of ES&H by those involved in 12 tep RW>oriented recovery programs AND THOSE who are interested in "those who are RW>involved". If you or anyone on your BBS is interested in CODA just share RW>ES&H or ask questions on that program and see if there are any with imilar RW>interests. I'll do that. Many thanks for your reply! --- FMail/386 1.0g * Origin: NorthShore BBS: N.Vancouver, BC Can. [604] 984-9868 (1:153/412) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500000 Date: 04/01/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 04:45pm \/To: WES FITZSIMMONS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Day by Day Hi Wes, Sunday March 31 1996 17:14, Wes Fitzsimmons wrote to David Goyette: WF> The book I have only promises that I don't have to use WF> again. Doesn't say anything about me not being able to use WF> again. Step 11 finishes with "... praying only for WF> knowledge of his will for us, and the power to carry that How does one know what the HP is telling them ... what the 'will' is? I mean, in 'real' life there is the spoken aloud conversation, the telephone, the letter, the e-mail... what is there as a response mechanism in prayer? WF> out." Not sure why, but it goes against the grain of WF> Step 7's "Humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings." Why? How do you see the two joining together, or one following from the other, (or not)? WF> Could be a topic of long debate, but... Probably! :-) Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (cable)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500001 Date: 04/01/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 04:53pm \/To: WES FITZSIMMONS (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: topic of this echo??? Hi Wes, Sunday March 31 1996 17:35, Wes Fitzsimmons wrote to Kurt Schafer: WF> If the Mod barks, whimper. You forgot to add... scuttle under nearest chair with tail between legs, bark loudly at anyone passing by as soon as they both have their back to you and are at least 10 yards away, sidle out when stomach growls louder than you do.... WF> Be openminded, this is a muliprogram echo, no program WF> specific traditions/rules are forced fed to anyone. This is an echo for members of all sorts of programs - you don't need to be a multi-program member to qualify. WF> Be polite, the face you save may be your own (personal WF> experience). :-)) Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (cable)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500002 Date: 04/03/96 From: ANTHONY DEFILIPPI Time: 07:20am \/To: KURT J. TISCHER (Read 0 times) Subj: Prayers Please -=> Kurt J. Tischer said in a message to All >=- Hi Kurt!! KJT> I just wanted to let you know that I'm having a relationship KJT> problem with someone who means a great deal to me. I won't drink over KJT> this, to be sure, but the serentiy prayer and the word acceptance have KJT> become a minute by minute thing... KJT> Letting go is not easy for me, though I do what I must do KJT> daily to keep on the road. I couldn't help but replying to this message when I saw it in the bases... this reminds me of myself so much... Back in October I met this lady whom I fell madly in love with... I kept calling her and we would get together on weekends since that was the only time available for the two of us.. well, she had other ideas about our relationship than I did, and things weren't going exactly the way I planned... that's when I started praying for God to help me out with this relationship... to make a long story short, I had to realize that my lady friend was a person with feeling just the same as I am... and that if I wanted her in my life, and vice-versa, that I was going to have to accept the relationship the way it was and is.... It's a hard thing to remember and practice, but I cannot change myself to fit into someone else's life... that only adds more frustration to my life.... I know now that if my friend wants me in her life she will let me know and she'll be willing to change along with me, so that we can live together and be happy... take care and I will remember you in my daily prayers... Tony ... God is a comic playing to an audience afraid to laugh. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500003 Date: 04/01/96 From: ANDREA FLEISHMAN Time: 12:29pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hi again Hi Tim, -=> Quoting Tim Dill to Andrea Fleishman <=- TD> Yes I am, however it get's harder and harder just to stay even TD> especially in the programming class that I am in.. should see the TD> amount of people that are no longer with the class.... Like a lot of other things....some can't take it and don't put in that extra effort. I'm proud of you and how you've kept at it. I know it's been tough and has taken it's toll in time and frustration too. TD> OS2 has a habit of chewing up and spitting out any dos application TD> that it finds, it's even worse with WIN95.... My Blue Wave is the OS/2 version. I wish I could figure out the color stabilization problem. I'd rather use it full-screen but this is working for now so I can't quibble. I had my first real taste of Win95 over the weekend. My son brought home his new "baby". It's a Compaq Pentium and had Win95 loaded. I had taken a course at Kelly's on the 95 but it crashed 3 times that morning and I had to leave because I had a lunch conference set up at Xerox and couldnt stay with it after the 3rd crash. I did a new resume in Word on the 95. I did part of it and did a save. Did more to finish and also did a save. Put it on disk and moved it to my other computer. The second save didn't take and I only had half of it. Is this another screw-up for Microsoft? TD> BTW: I did get your snail, just never did get around to reading it TD> and it's on the desk somewhere.... Good... I've started to finish a project I began 20 years ago. This is an "amend" that should have been taken care of soooooo long ago. A friend gave me some chairs to refinish. Very old ones. I stripped, wove new rush seats, painted and did a marvelous stencil pattern. I even mixed my own gold paint to do the detail. They began to be beautiful and almost done. The problem? I got more drunk. I began to lose interest at that point in msot things around me and unfortunately those chairs got pushed into a corner in the basement adn left undone. I ran into that friend a short time ago and remembered this. I apologized, of course. Buthow do you do that for a 20 year thing. But the first chair came upstairs and I cleaned the dust off. My worst fear was the rush seats sitting in our damp basement for that long. I figured the musty odor would be awful and the seats would ALL have to be rewoven. I stuck my nose in the first seat and it's as fresh as can be!!!!! I can't believe this. If the other 3 are the same I don't have to do the seats over. Is HP watching out for me? Can't figure this one. Off and on over the years the guilt over not doing these chairs for him has preyed on my mind. It's been adding to my feelings of failure for a long time and this is not good. I found a can of the finish that I'm using. It's very old and few places have it anymore. But I found it and can finish the chairs now and call him to pick them up. Amends can be msot difficult to handle. I've done many and most of them haven't made any earth-shaking wonders. Somehow I expected a hug or two but in most cases this didn't happen. The only one, and this one surprised me, was my brother-in-law. He hadn't writtne in YEARS. I wrote to him with an apology for some things that were said and done while I was drinking. He wrote a logn letter to me, he also said he was proud of what I had done. So it does work adn a wound was healed. We won't be great friends I guess but some bad feelings are taken care of. That counts. :) Spring is trying to sprong around here. My maple trees are budding out. It was almost 60 yesterday. [[[[[HUGS]]]]]\ Andrea ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- * KMail 3.10m Knight Moves --- QScan/PCB v1.17b / 01-0406 * Origin: Knight Moves - Rochester,NY 716-865-2106 (1:2613/313) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500004 Date: 04/01/96 From: SOBER SWEDE Time: 04:55pm \/To: ANDREW DETTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: All good things end Hi Andrew, -=> Quoting Andrew Dettman to Andrea Fleishman <=- AD> I kinda like to think that the Fellowship of the 12 Steps encompasses AD> and lives just what he said about Spirituality v Religion, and that in AD> Step 3 we have the end of the beginning and the beginning of the AD> end.... and then as Eliot says ....we shall return to where we started AD> but see the place anew. This is a good time of year for me. It seems along way to go from Christmas which breaks into winter a bit and getting to Easter and spring. Spring is watching dead things come back to life again. So is Easter for those of us that follow that belief. My coming out of the bottle and into life again was my spring and Easter. I began again. When I came out of the hospital I knew that I had a job on my hands because I had been determined to die and now I had a new determination. If I wanted to live I had to do my life entirely different. I had to learn how to think different, react to others in a different way, and I had to learn how to deal with emotions in a different way too. This wasn't going to be easy buy thru' a lot of prayer and AA I made it. My first 4 years were without the benefits of AA meetings andd the fellowship there. If I had it to do over agai I would change that. So far, so good. Each day is new and holds promises. Some days are good, some not so good but I manage to get thru' each one and be thankful that had it God Bless and take care, Andrea ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Rochester Exchange 716-359-9468 Rochester NY (1:2613/203.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D4500005 Date: 04/01/96 From: SOBER SWEDE Time: 06:21pm \/To: WES FITZSIMMONS (Read 0 times) Subj: New Prespectives Hi Wes, -=> Quoting Wes Fitzsimmons to Alexander <=- It's great to see you back. Hope all is well now. WF> One of my meditations says something akin to look at hardship as a WF> double blessing, as it is only thru hardship that one can see the WF> value of pleasantries, and it is a blessing to have passed thru the WF> hardship. And just look at the release from BOREDOM! :) Can you imagine life without bumps to wake you up to what's important? Each time there's one of those 'bumps' in my life I have to learn from it and hopefully laugh at it too. Each experience gives us something if we're smart enough and open enough to get it. I jsut got out of surgery (I've had several) and people that know I'm an alcoholic are amazed that I don't turn bac to the booze to make my way thru' it. I can't think of a rougher and more dismal way of dealing with this. At least if I'm sober I know what's going on, I can laugh at this (can't do that drunk!) and get better easier and faster. And I don't fall down and hurt myself either. That's good. :) WF> Aside from my friends here, that's what I missed the most. You'll WF> grow from being here, especially if you put your foot in your mouth. :) WF> (From personal experience!) Foot in mouth? Never had that happen......:) Andrea ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.10 * Origin: The Rochester Exchange 716-359-9468 Rochester NY (1:2613/203.0)