--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2T00010 Date: 02/23/96 From: MARGE CLARK Time: 06:42pm \/To: BILLY O (Read 0 times) Subj: Question? I thought I heard Billy O (1:147/27) say: MC> we don't need to work the steps; we just need to eat right. MC> now I understand. ->> It does help. of course it helps, Billy. that's common sense, I think. but, you know, NOT eating right, not taking care of bodies needs is not limited to alcoholics and/or addicts. it's a part of society. and, seems to me, that a whole lot of people are moving into that direction...trying to take better care of themselves. andthat's one of the things that my sponsor stresses. but all the 'balanced nutrition' in the world isn't going to keep me sober, you know? ->> I have found that spirulina makes my day a more balanced place to ->> be. And when I'm balanced, I act out a lot less. i'm giving pycogenyl a shot. no differences yet that I'm aware of, but am going to try....based on the suggestions of some old friends whose suggestions I value. and it's amazing what aromatherapy can do, as well. ;-) ->> But anyway, it's turning into a nice light show. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm be a shame to have to wait til july for fireworks, wouldn't it? --- msged 2.06 * Origin: Promises BBS, Nashville, TN (615)367-4410 (1:116/3000.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2T00011 Date: 02/23/96 From: TIM DILL Time: 08:51pm \/To: RICHARD WARD (Read 0 times) Subj: RELATIONSHIPS ==> A hush fell over the room when Richard Ward said to Harriet Levy <== RW> On (18 Feb 96) HARRIET LEVY wrote to TOAD STRANGLER... ==> A hush fell over the room when Toad Strangler said to Kitty Jones <== TS> I met my husband through a free bbs account in HL> Hmmm...This sounds very familiar. My SO and I are currently on HL> opposite ends of the country. BTW, we met right here, in RECOVERY. RW> How lucky can ONE get? ;-) I dunno Rich, but at this moment I am answering this off her machine and I am enjoying the visit..... Tim.... ... Pagans have better sects ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- Silver Xpress Mail System 4.00F2 * Origin: Promises BBS, Nashville, TN. (615) 367-4410 (1:116/3000) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2T00012 Date: 02/23/96 From: MARGE CLARK Time: 10:05pm \/To: JOSEPH BARTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: newcomer I thought I heard Joseph Bartman (1:285/53) say: ->>I guess I would like some one to talk to about this Hi, Joe...I'm marge, a sober alcoholic in Nashville. it was my marriage falling apart that drove me to the rooms of AA...I was sure *I* didn't belong there...after all.... you know what kind of people those *alcoholics* are! ;-) that was going on to seven years ago, and I've been blessed with sobriety, during all that time. my marriage didn't get back together...and the stuff that I had when I got to AA mostly disappeared after I got here....so getting sober to keep the stuff or get back the marriage isn't guaranteed. but I promise you, if you grab hold of the lifeline the people in those meetings are holding out to you, things will get better. listen, when they read the promises. they really do come true. --- msged 2.06 * Origin: Promises BBS, Nashville, TN (615)367-4410 (1:116/3000.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2U00000 Date: 02/23/96 From: JOAN REA Time: 01:23am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: information Did you know that coincidence is simply God being anonymous? There was some discussion about trouble in relationships recently. I didn't feel I should butt in as I hadn't read the whole thing *but* If you sincerely want a relationship to work, 59-50 is not good enough. If you are not 100% for your partner, you're wasting your time. If you only expect to have to give 50% and have the other person meet you with their 50%, you're putting love on a commercial basis. Happiness is the desire to give; unhappiness is the desire to get. Life's that simple. If I spend my time looking for things to make my spouse's life happier, I feel good. If I spend it looking for things he should do for me, I'm miserable because firstly he'll never be able to do enough for that type of selfish person and secondly, he won't have a clue as to how to make me happy because I won't even know myself. The insanity spoken of in step two is precisely this childish, demanding, self-centredness wherin I make demands on the world to give me happines if it will only (fill in the blank......) forgetting that as I give to the world, so it gives to me. I see people talking aabout smugly thanking God that the spouse is the sicker one sounds like alkie false pride to me. Joan --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Transformations BBS Edmonton, Alta. (1:342/602) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2U00001 Date: 02/19/96 From: CHRISTIAN HEDEMARK Time: 05:42am \/To: JOSEPH BARTMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: newcomer JB>Hello my name is Joe and I'm a sort of a newcomer to A.A. snip Hi Joseph. GLAD you are here! JB> and have been in A.A two times before but after staying JB>sober for about two we JB>ks to 30 days I ve gone out drinking again during this snip You are not unusual. Don't think badly of yourself. Two weeks to 30 days are not enough to make any difference though. JB> have finely had enough of drinking because its cost me my JB>wife and kids (they JB>eft me last month ) so here I'm all alone and trying to JB>stay sober I really do snip Have you had enough? Enough for now, or forever? And you are not alone. You have 2,000,000 friends. You just haven't met them all yet. And God is always with you. Look carefully & you'll find Him. JB>'t know what the future holds for me but I don't think it JB>can get much worse It can get much worse. You aren't dead, in Jail, or in a psycho ward... Yet. JB>y wife dose not want to have any thing to do with me and That may not be final. Who knows. If you can change, maybe she can change. Maybe not. JB>keeps calling me to te JB>l me that she need space or money or something fixed around JB>the house or just JB>o push my buttons I just don't know what to do I have JB>started treatment and I JB> very confused Don't drink, and go to meetings. Pray. JB>I guess I would like some one to talk to about this Get a sponsor: Find someone that has a type of sobriety you want. Tell him you are willing to do anything to get it. Then do it. You will find him in a meeting. This too will pass. Love ___ X OLX 2.1 TD X Try "As Bill Sees It" Page 3, third reading. --- Maximus/2 3.00 * Origin: BLACK BAG BBS <*> Collegeville, PA <*> (610) 454-7396 (1:2614/706) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2U00002 Date: 02/24/96 From: RICHARD WARD Time: 06:34am \/To: DAN SHELLY & DEAN POWER (Read 0 times) Subj: re: ? | possibly wrong echo On (21 Feb 96) Dan Shelly wrote to Dean Power... DS> Proverbs 16:3 Commit thy works unto the Lord, and thy thoughts shall e DS> Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way, but the Lord directeth is DS> Take care and God Bless It looks as though you might possibly be in an echo other then the one you intended to chat in. thanks Rich Ward, Moderator Recovery Echo, Voice line 310-436-7884 ... The road to success is usually under construction. L.Long --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2U00003 Date: 02/24/96 From: RICHARD WARD Time: 06:53am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Cure For Alcoholism? On (22 Feb 96) Jane Kelley wrote to Ken Lewis... JK> KL>Don't analyze it. Just do it for God's sake. Hundreds, Thousands, JK> KL>people have sobered up and lived happy, productive lives by following JK> There is only one constant in nature and that is constant change. One JK> of these days you may live long enough to learn that. On or about February 16, 1996 I sent out a message in the RECOVERY Echo that more or less suggested that all LECTURING, as in nutrition etc, on control / curing alcoholism / addiction be stopped. I'm sure that by now, 2/23, that message has made the 'rounds' .... so ...... to correct any erroneous impression let me remind ALL that a suggestion from this Moderator doesNOT imply that ONE has a choice of following the suggestion or not. So, please, let us ALL drop these threads without any resentment. Rich Ward, Moderator, RECOVERY Echo. Voice line 310-436-7884 ... SILENCE: Wisdom's One Satisfactory Substitute --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2U00004 Date: 02/24/96 From: RICHARD WARD Time: 07:14am \/To: ADAM BINDER (Read 0 times) Subj: Cure For Alcoholism? On (21 Feb 96) Adam Binder wrote to Jane Kelley... AB> Jane, I think if you wish to form an opinion like this on alcoholism, AB> you are obviously cured! My hat is off to you!! Self Knowledge and a AB> bunch of B.S. Psychological Junk will not keep you sober. Only a Ah, now that helps some, so let's watch the adjectives. ;-) AB> Spiritual way of living is the solution. But in your case if it works This also helps though it is not the solution, either. I've always heard that it was Not picking up the FIRST ONE, going to meetings and all the rest will follow ...... that really does IT. AB> for you, then I respect that of you.. This is an AA based Conference, AB> Not Psychology 101 or etc.. Please see my earlier message to Jane and help me by dropping all of these threads Rich Ward, Moderator ... Experience, the name given by men to their mistakes. L.Long --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2V00000 Date: 02/24/96 From: JOAN RENNE Time: 01:52am \/To: RAIN (Read 0 times) Subj: RE: FOR YOUR INFO... Hi Rain, RA> Sounds ree-e-eal familiar. Are you doing any herbal or RA>homeopathic medicine, and do you have access to a Reiki practitioner? RA>A hypnotist or acupuncturist? A massage therapist who knows what to do RA>with fibromyalgia? No, I'm not. I don't know enough about them to attempt anything like that. I'm in the heart of the midwest, Omaha, NE and an acupuncturist would be something to find. a massage therapist? No way anyone is going to touch my poor old back with all the trigger points! RA>My worst ones are in my "dowager's hump" and biceps tendons. Hurt, hurt, RA>*hurt*. I have a new one just above my knee on my left leg. Man, that smarts! RA>-> Oh well, from here it can only get better! RA>Let's hope. Hang in there, my dear. I'm hanging, I'm hanging! Joan * SLMR 2.1a * ... God grant me the serenity to just remember I'm not. --- WM v3.01/93-0495 * Origin: Friend's BBS Omaha Ne (402)896-2669 (1:285/662.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2V00001 Date: 02/23/96 From: KITTY JONES Time: 07:10pm \/To: TOAD STRANGLER (Read 0 times) Subj: Relationships suck, but. TS>RE: Relationships suck, but. TS>BY: Kitty Jones to Toad Strangler on Mon Feb 19 1996 00:01:14 TS> TS> Well Kitty....don't think my way is the only way to TS>meet a SO.....I do not TS>what today holds for me :) TS> And from the looks of things and what I have heard from my TS>SO...maybe things under the apple tree aren't all that cozy :( TS> Cross your fingers :) TS> TS> Toad TS> TS>... SyncEdit v2.50 TS>--- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.22 TS> * Origin: Born to be Wild BBS KC,MO 816.373.3158 ZyXEL V34 TS>(1:280/157) My fingers are crossed for you. :)). ___ X POW 1.1 On Trial X GLYSDI --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: PC Emporium BBS * Boca Raton, FL * 407-994-3690 (1:3638/5)