--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00013 Date: 02/09/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 03:06pm \/To: MARGE CLARK (Read 0 times) Subj: newer version of old message Hi Marge, Monday February 05 1996 12:47, Marge Clark wrote to Rain: MC> but did you chose your 'drug of choice' with open arms? Not particularly. At the time it was just one of many options available, and there was no reason (given the way it was marketed) to think it was any more dangerous than learning to drive, smoking cigarettes, choosing a career etc. MC> I know I did. it wasn't a problem; it was a SOLUTION! When I started to drink it was just one of those things you did... like buying fish and chips, going to the pictures... it wasn't *particularly* a solution to anything, just part of everyday life. Later it did start to seem to be a solution, but by then it was part of my life (and was and still is part of the lives of virtually everyone I know). MC> for awhile. ;-( Yes well, perhaps that's the point. *Most* people can drink all of their lives without any problems at all (except the occasional hangover). I can't. But I began to drink in exactly the same way and for exactly the same reasons as the non alkies did. Does that mean I deliberately welcomed it with open arms, or just that I reacted to it in a relatively uncommon way? Then again, I occasionally partake of wacky baccy with friends. And I mean *occasionally*. Why don't I become addicted to that, or cream cakes, or anything else for that matter. Everyday things that people enjoy sometimes, but can take or leave as they choose. I'm not sure about cunning powerful and baffling... insidious is more how I'd describe it! :-( Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (voice)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00014 Date: 02/09/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 03:19pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: QUESTION? Hi Jane, Tuesday February 06 1996 09:49, Jane Kelley wrote to ELAINE LOVELESS: JK> Alcoholics will use any excuse to dodge that which is JK> unpleasant to them. Nonsense! At least add a 'sometimes' or 'often' into the above sentence! :-)) Or, alternatively, substitute 'People' for 'Alcoholics'. Because Alcoholics are still people, and in most respects just as 'normal' as all other people. Everyone wants to dodge unpleasant things if they have any sense of sanity. I would say that more accurately alcoholics try to 'ignore' unpleasant things i the hope they will just go away, while more normal folks will just deal with the problem. JK> And many of them will not go near a medical doctor, or will JK> not tell them te complete truth until some therapist gets on JK> their case. Hate to shatter your illusions, but my GP knows exactly what the truth is, and works with and round it, as well as with and round my emotional/physical needs, and those of the rest of the family. (I don't usually *like* what he tells me, though I do try to do as he says as far as I can). Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (voice)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00015 Date: 02/09/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 03:35pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 0 times) Subj: FOR YOUR INFO... Hi Tim, Tuesday February 06 1996 18:53, Tim Dill wrote to Pat Winstanley: PW>> I shall see if I can persuade the importers to add one PW>> or two more... SIP_ALANON looks a favourite, as it PW>> would appeal to a *lot* of people! :-) TD> So it would be, right now there is a small ammount of TD> traffic but that may change.... I have also asked for 'meeting after' or whatever it's called... just waiting for a netmail reply from the chap. I'll chase one of the others if nothing happens... I know a man who can work miracles... if I'm prepared to pay for it! :-)) Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (voice)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00016 Date: 02/10/96 From: JEAN MCKAY Time: 02:42pm \/To: ALL AND JANE KELLY (Read 0 times) Subj: Recovery Hi I haven't been getting any mail in this bbs, and am dying, of course not litterally. I have been going through major cravings again. I know what causes them but find difficulty in managing feelings, fears, anger etc. Yesterday after seven months of sobriety I believe I finally found a sponsor I and we can work with. Been reading big book for first time. Trying to get out to meetings but disgusted in being hitting on me-men. At another two young fellows berated women as they discussed theur lust issues. By the way I fully and unequivacably can relate to you Jane. In the treatment centre I was in they use all of Gorski's material. If it were not for counsellors like I had who knew the physical, emotional, mental spiritual ideology and how that ties with my addicition and the need for proper diet and rest/sleep I would not be sober. Thanks alot for being here. The struggle is hard but hopefully the promises will come. Jam------------------------------------------------ --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Benden Weyr, Pern, Sagittarius Sector (1:140/22) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00017 Date: 02/10/96 From: JOAN REA Time: 06:42pm \/To: JUDITH LABONTE (Read 0 times) Subj: MSG BELOW WAS ...... Prayers sent. Hope all's well now. Did anyone tell you that about 90 days _after_ surgery with general anasthetic we go into a depression of some depth. It's the result of 'the physicl insult' and my doc told me and I forgot so - 90 days after there I was too depressed to light a cigarette and scared stupid that I must not be working my program right. Thankfully hubby is a member too so he reminded me about he doc's warning. It didn't lift the depression but it removed the fear. Thank God for AA and its members who care! Bleesings. JR --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Transformations BBS Edmonton, Alta. (1:342/602) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00018 Date: 02/10/96 From: JOAN REA Time: 07:02pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 0 times) Subj: Cure for Alcoholism? Yeah. We have to eat right and all that jazz then our alcoholism is 'cured' as in pckled, smashed etc. In my copy of the big book it says that when the spiritual malady is overcome, then we begin to recover physically and mentally. (I take great comfort that mentally is last 8-).) My husband worked in treatment for many years, mostly in trying to teach cognitive behavior modification skills to residents. That is simply tryng to get people to adjust their attitudes. Many of the clients needed to overcome allergy problems _but_ the spiritual malady needed to be taken care of first. It seems that some group is always trying to make a buck off 'treating' alcoholics even though 'to treat' comes from a word that means ' to drag' and few alkies worth their salt can be dragged far. I for one would feel no safer turning my alcoholism over to the care of a counsellor than I would my diabetes. I believe in going to the source - God and the big book, my sponsor and my group for the booze and my doctor and dietician for the loss of insulin producing cells and resulting diabetes. If I blame genetics and take my disease to a pro I'm helpless again. I begin to play the blaming game. "my counsellor forgot to tell me .......' becomes my excuse to drink. If I am responsible then I'm free - that's what AA gave me, responsibility for my own life. JR (that's as close to a flame as I've ever been. I must read on into my meeting * * * ``` --- Squish v1.01 * Origin: Transformations BBS Edmonton, Alta. (1:342/602) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00019 Date: 02/10/96 From: THOM R. Time: 07:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Happy Birthday To Me! :) Today, February 10, marks four years of continuous sobriety for myself. I am grateful to God, Alcoholics Anonymous, and those of you that I have met along this road of happy destiny that have guided me to my next day sober. They've added up to 1460 days thus far. Thank you from the bottom of my heart! () Thom --- * Origin: Recovery BBS, San Francisco, CA - 415-255-2188 (1:125/9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00020 Date: 02/10/96 From: THOM R. Time: 07:23pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 0 times) Subj: 1996 HL> Ahh....I'm in LA on vacation. The temp, today, I think went over HL> 80.....It's 10:30 and the windows are still open. AND YOU DIDN'T CALL ME?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! () Thom --- * Origin: Recovery BBS, San Francisco, CA - 415-255-2188 (1:125/9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2G00021 Date: 02/11/96 From: KURT J. TISCHER Time: 10:33am \/To: KITTY JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Relationships suck, but. KJ>Hi Kurt. I am an alcholic and my name is Kitty. Reading your message KJ>to Wolfman was like reading my life story w/relationships. I am 35 KJ>years old and a single mom since my son was 3 months old and just KJ>when I think I found Mr. Right, he says he doesn't want a commitment KJ>just a relationship. The last b/f I had a few months ago sounds just KJ>like the g/f you have (had?) in that he never returned my phone calls KJ>and I hardly seen him, but when I suggested we just stay friends and KJ>date other people he had a fit. I told him once it's either he starts KJ>paying more attention to me, or we're through. He begged me to be KJ>patient w/him and I agreed only to have him break my heart a few KJ>weeks later when I found out he was dating someone else. Thank God KJ>for the wonderful fellowship of AA as w/the help of a few of my KJ>friends and these conferences, I got through that heartache w/out KJ>taking a drink or a drug :))))). It was hard, I won't lie (honest KJ>program), but 3 years in this program has taught me that drinking KJ>won't solve the problem. Anyway, I hope you don't mind that I replied KJ>to your message to Wolfman, it's just that your message really KJ>touched my heart. I hope you are doing ok. Kitty, I am an emotional wreck. I am crying right now as I type this. This woman seems to be stringing me along and I just don't know how to handle it. She came in to see me at work for a while last night. I work in a public place. She didn't touch once the whole time she was there. When she finally did it was simply to say that she was going home and that she would call me tomorrow. I am waiting for the call right now. I didn't sleep last night. I just tossed and turned and shook. I drove home from work screaming at the top of my lungs in pain. I was crying out to God to end this pain. She told me it would only be until spring, when she graduates from school and then she would have more time. Last night she told me it would be until June. I don't understand. First March, now June. And now she says that she missed the deadline for the program she originally wanted so now she is going on for her Bachelor's degree. Every day it is something different, something else she has to do. I can understand that she is busy with school and work, but it has been about 4 weeks since we have spent any time alone together. She invitied a friend of hers from work with her. Later on she told me her friend was having trouble with her husband. I thought "Oh, great not another...". Then I got sarcastic with her and told her to send her friend my way and we could make a little quintet. This sucks bad. I spent several days, hand-crafting a Valentine's Day gift for her and now say says she has to work on that day, that she would check her schedule to she when she could make it over. I just want to lay down and die. Sleep forever. -=- * CMPQwk #1.42-R2 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#4334) * Origin: 3RD EAR BBS - Middleburg Heights, Ohio - 216-234-6088 (1:157/438)