--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200004 Date: 02/01/96 From: ECHOLIST Time: 08:06am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: RECOVERY EchoList A Collective Effort Of Higher Power As Manifested Through Each Of Us The Meetings of the RECOVERY Echo -=> February 1, 1996 <=- ST City Name Telephone Zon:Net/Node isc == =============== ============================ ============ ============ === AB Edmonton SATHUB5011 403-453-5711 1:342/5011 AB Edmonton TRANSFORMATIONS 403-488-5490 1:342/602 AB Medicine Hat LUNATIC HAVEN BBS 403-526-6957 1:134/3002 AR Mountain Home SIRIUS 501-424-2510 1:19/14 AZ Phoenix CYBERSUPPORT HQ CO A BBS 602-231-9377 1:114/428 BC Burnaby ALANO CLUB 604-739-1188 1:153/840 BC Kamloops GRAPEVINE DEMONSTRATION BBS 604-376-9269 1:353/700 BC Quesnel THE RUSTY PIPELINE 604-992-2781 1:3404/155 CA Fresno TURN ON TO TEENS BBS 209-292-6403 1:205/80 CA Oakland OASIS 510-444-8246 1:161/32 CA Sacramento OMAR'S CORNER BBS 916-339-0408 1:203/164 CA San Francisco RECOVERY 415-255-2188 1:125/9 CO Denver THE RAIN FOREST BBS 303-322-9824 1:104/901 CO Indian Hills THE MISSING LINK BBS 303-697-4097 1:104/693 CT Woodbury GATEWAY TO HELL NODE 1 203-263-4542 1:141/1130 FL Jacksonville RUBY'S JOINT 904-777-6799 1:112/129 FL Tampa VETNET GATEWAY VETLINK 1 813-249-8323 1:377/203 IN Michigan City MICHIANA ONLINE 219-929-1922 1:230/15 KY Louisville LOUISVILLE HOT HOUSE 502-969-3806 1:2320/180 LA Baton Rouge THE BLACK EAGLE 504-667-2675 1:3800/17 MA Haverhill COMPUTER CASTLE 508-521-6941 1:324/127 MA Shrewsbury DREAMER'S LOT BBS 508-798-4188 1:322/758 MA Shrewsbury KEYSTONE BBS 508-753-3767 1:322/743 MA Worcester THIS IS THE PLACE 508-793-8502 1:322/739 MD Gaithersburg INTERMISSION BBS 301-417-6952 1:109/474 MD Wheaton THE IDEA LINK 301-949-5764 1:109/432 MO Mexico THE BEARLY BORED 314-581-6717 1:289/1 H NE Omaha FRIEND'S BBS VETLINK 67 402-896-2669 1:285/662 NH Bow EASY DOES IT 603-228-0705 1:132/131 NJ Fort Lee THE RIGHT PLACE HST 201-947-8231 1:2604/539 NM Alamogordo MAX ONLINE 505-434-5366 1:308/90 NY Latham THE THREE L'S BBS 518-785-6643 1:267/124 NY New York COMMUNICATION SPECIALTIES 212-627-3571 1:278/307 NY Rochester THE ROCHESTER EXCHANGE 716-359-9468 1:2613/203 NY Rochester TRUCK STOP BBS 716-235-0992 1:2613/403 NY Wappingers Fall THE WORLD'S END BBS 914-298-0158 1:2624/610 OH Middleburg Hts 3RD EAR BBS 216-234-6088 1:157/438 ON North York ABILITY ONLINE 416-650-6232 1:250/518 OR St Helens THE PSYCH WARD 503-397-6243 1:105/762 PA Darby THE SEEKER'S PLACE 610-237-6628 1:273/412 PA Lemoyne STIMPY'S SANDBOX 717-730-0147 1:270/722 PA Prospect Park BUCKWHEAT BBS 610-534-4446 1:273/410 SA Regina THE GREEN ZONE 306-789-7652 1:140/23 SA Saskatoon BENDEN WEYR 306-382-5746 1:140/22 TN Memphis MR ZIP 901-761-1147 1:123/17 TN Nashville PROMISES A RECOVERY BBS AND 615-367-4410 1:116/3000 TX Austin THE VETERAN'S VOICE OF AUSTI 512-473-4142 1:382/811 TX Round Rock CROSSROADS 512-310-7705 1:382/506 TX Texarkana MICROTALK 903-832-3722 1:3819/120 TX Wichita Falls MAJIK SHOPPE II 817-851-8590 1:3805/5 VA Alexandria THE ENLIGHTENED BOARD 703-370-9528 1:109/615 WA Graham MOODY BLUES 206-893-3101 1:138/155 WA Kirkland RECOVERY NORTHWEST 206-827-9613 1:343/261 WA Spanaway COVENANT BBS 206-846-3798 1:138/228 WA Tacoma TACOMA RECOVERY BBS 206-589-3820 1:138/240 Key To Miscellaneous Information ================================ O-OPUS, R-RBBS, Q-QBBS, H-HST ST City Name Telephone (Int #) on:Net/Node == =============== =========================== ================== =========== LA Bury THE PIG PEN 011-44-161-763-4707 2:250/150 * * * * * * * * The RECOVERY EchoList includes: a) BBS's that have originated messages to the RECOVERY echo during the past 60 days, and b) whose net/node information was detectable in the origin line by the echolist utility software, and c) whose net/node was listed in the FidoNet nodelist. 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Thanks, as always, to all the callers, sysops, and lurkers who help me to stay sober one day at a time. 1DAAT ... Mark ... Sysop of The Easy Does It: Recovery BBS 1:132/131.0@fidonet.org * * * * * * * * The RECOVERY Echolist Copyright (C) Mark Sawyer 1990-1995 This list may be freely printed and posted in its original form only. * * * * * * * * --- el v1.60-01 * Origin: Easy Does It:Recovery * Bow,NH * 603-228-0705 (1:132/131.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200005 Date: 01/31/96 From: ELAINE LOVELESS Time: 03:54pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: RE: QUESTION? On 29 Jan 96 09:59am, Jane Kelley wrote to Elaine Loveless: Hello Jane! JK> Today we have entire libraries of reseach from around the world which JK> would have delighted and amazed Bill and Bob. Yet those in A.A. cling JK> to outmoded ideas which permit them to ignore the real work necessary JK> for complete recovery. Ah, so if a person doesn't go through treatment, they can't have complete recovery.......by the way what is complete recovery? For myself I find that I have a daily reprieve from my disease based on my spiritual condition for that day.......But then I can understand that if a person receives pay for being a therapist for recovering alcoholics they would certainly want people to go to treatment and get what they can get for free from AA. I think that's why they stated the long version of the 8th tradition the way they did: "Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever non-professional. We define professionalism as the occupation of counseling alcoholics for fees or hire......." Now before you jump on this, I want to explain that I believe that there are alcoholics just like there are other people who may need therapy for problems they are dealing with....but I don't think that therapy is necessary for recovery....... JK> For this reason, I changed this to another conference as both moderators JK> are hounding me for not sticking to the topic their minds laid out for JK> this month. Well, for as long as I've posted in that echo, the rule has always been that the topic was the 12 Steps.....Step 1 in Jan., Step 2 in Feb....etc., so they were just doing what has always been done there.....:) ... Every time I have all the answers, someone changes the questions! Bright Blessings, Elaine * Silver Xpress V4.01P SW12813 --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.03M1 --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: The Crossroads BBS, Round Rock, Texas (512) 255-8985 (1:382/506) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200006 Date: 01/29/96 From: ANTHONY DEFILIPPI Time: 09:32pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: Question? -==- AD> take care Jane.... BTW I move this message from 12 Step to here in AD> order to comply with a certain co-moderator's wishes..... HL>The co-moderator in question appreciates it, I'm sure. HL>Harriet I wonder who that could be???.... __-==-__ --- * WR 1.31 # 675 * "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200007 Date: 01/29/96 From: ANTHONY DEFILIPPI Time: 09:32pm \/To: TIM DILL (Read 1 times) Subj: Question? -==- TD> Welcome, I hope my esteemed partner in crime did not give you TD> too much of a headache over there.. TD> However here you get to deal with me.... TD> Have fun! TD> Tim Dill Co-Moderator Recovery Echo naw, not too much... it is kind of tough to stick with one Step without deviating to other areas... Jane and I have been posting to each other for some time now in other conferences, and nets... then there are the posts that are just too irresistible to pass up without commenting on... take care __-==-__ --- * WR 1.31 # 675 * I'd love to, but I feel a song coming on. * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200008 Date: 01/29/96 From: GUIDO Time: 09:32pm \/To: LYNDA NUSSER (Read 1 times) Subj: Bill w. sobriety date -==- LN>That's not true in my case... in fact I hit my bottom on crack and when LN>into the rooms didn't even consider myself an "addict" in the generic s LN>I was *only* addicted to cocaine... And I read all the literature that' LN>conference approved... and supplement with "outside" sources, too. And LN>meeting I say, "My name is Lynda and I'm an alcoholic." Because the alc LN>the point of identification... it provides the unity. I also read the LN>pamphlets. If you can, get ahold of "Problems other than Alcohol." I've seen and read that one too... I personally don't go into the rooms and identify myself with drugs either, even though I have had some in my past... my main abuse was in the alcohol... especially during the past few years... however if someone wants to come into the rooms and identify themselves as alcoholic/addict I could care less... usually these people come into the rooms and share mostly about their alcohol use... the drugs they took aren't mentioned that much... I'm sure they realize that they are in an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and not Narcotics Anonymous... one thing I have noticed since sponsoring meetings at the local jail is that most of those people are drug abusers first then alcoholics.. however, even those individuals can relate to alcoholics to a certain extent... they are mostly amazed to see us the way we are now and trying to imagine us as people who couldn't control their drinking just floors them... LN>That may or may not be true... I've been taught I'm in no position to j LN>another's problems... I need to keep the focus on myself. Better to spe LN>energy on my own program than try to figure how someone else should be LN>there's. this is something that Bill Wilson stressed in his writings in the Big Book... look at how many times he stress for us not to judge those who are coming into the rooms... after all the only person who has the right to decide whether someone is a member of Alcoholics Anonymous or not is each individual themselves... LN>I don't have ill-feelings... but I want AA to endure and be here if my LN>or grandchildren need it. I want them to find the safety, security, and LN>solution that I found when I got here. I explain why I introduce myself LN>alcoholic (vs. alcoholic & addict) to the women I sponsor... but don't LN>or give them grief if they choose to identify themselves as both.... an LN>it's appropriate to the topic of an open discussion meeting I've shared LN>view... I try not to come across as forcing my view on someone; we alco LN>don't do well with orders and rules... that's for sure... I remember when I first came into AA... I was being forced into AA by my commanding officer and doctors... all I knew and felt was their heat on me... I was willing to do and say anything that would get them off my back... I knew I didn't have to believe anything I said or did as long as I thought the doctors and officers judging me believed it... the only person I was fooling though was me; definitely not them... they already knew what it took me a few more years to figure out... so I well remember the forcing bit... LN>I believe in the singleness of purpose of A.A. Of course, we're all fre LN>choose our own beliefs. this is true... we do need this unity in AA in order to keep it living the way others before us intended it too... sometimes we just need a little controversy to stir up that vigor we once had.... take care Lynda, __-==-__ --- * WR 1.31 # 675 * Watch where you go... remember where you've been... * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200009 Date: 01/31/96 From: JOAN RENNE Time: 06:18pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Free Dog JK>I switched this to the Recovery conference as I am tired of the limited JK>view of the program that those who monitor the 12 steps echo have. JK>JR>As for Step 1, although my life has become a little more manageable, I JK>JR>still revert to alcologic all to often... I really detest being ^^^^^^^^^ JK>JR>corrected, but find that when I am I'm more willing to do something to JK>JR>improve the situation. JK>If you are still using alcohol, it is to directly affect your brain and JK>central nervous system. Either your diet is faulty and can be corrected Jane, Jane, Jane. I am 13+ years sober. AlcoLOGIC is alcoHOLIC thinking. Nothing more. I believe it was Marge that coined the word. * SLMR 2.1a * ...For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. --- WM v3.01/93-0495 * Origin: Friend's BBS Omaha Ne (402)896-2669 (1:285/662.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200010 Date: 01/29/96 From: PAT WINSTANLEY Time: 12:22pm \/To: HARRIET LEVY (Read 1 times) Subj: 6 YEARS AGO TODAY Hi HARRIET, Wednesday January 24 1996 18:10, HARRIET LEVY wrote to TIM DILL: HL> And *real* roses might be more in order..... Hah! The sign of an incurable romantic! ;-)) Congrats all round... :-) I'm chuffed for you. :-))))) Pat --- * Origin: Pierless, Wigan, UK. [01942-749012 (voice)] (2:250/107.99) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200011 Date: 01/31/96 From: GUIDO Time: 11:38pm \/To: RICH WARD (Read 1 times) Subj: Bill W. Sobriety Date -==- RW>Sorry, was unaware that much of the 'approved' lit was written by the RW>'founders'. My understanding was that the 'BB', 'though written by a f RW>was based on what he shared and was shared with him by/to others who we RW>attaining sobriety at that point in time. When I read some of the othe RW>material written by THEM I read it as further incites, opions, sharings RW>by the tried and true method of ONE alkie talking/sharing with another the Big Book was mostly written by Bill Wilson... he just passed the Big Book <> around to the rest for them to proof-read... then he passed out copies to churches, doctors, etc in order to get their approval... when reading the Big Book you have to stop to consider that Bill Wilson was a very brilliant man... can you imagine someone with only a year or two of sobriety writing down the experiences he had plus the knowledge he attained from the Oxford Group, and doctors he got involved with... it's no wonder why we get something different each time we read the Big Book... then there was the Twelve and Twelve which Bill Wilson wrote around 1953... Alcoholics Anonymous comes of Age was another of his works which was printed around the 50s also... then there were "Pass It On"... Bill Wilson's story and "Dr. Bob and the Good Old Timers"... Dr. Robert Smith's story... RW>Back in NYC meetings ... it was explained more as a financial reason. RW>then AA (GSO etc ...) was to keep the hand of AA (help) always availabl RW>the sale of BBs was a big source of income ..... there are certain Books printed by Hazelden which put funds back into AA also... besides Hazelden is AA's biggest customer... RW> As a sponsor I share my ES&H with my pigeon and on occasion a little RW>advise if it is asked for. And from time to time a kick in the ass! usually that's exactly what the pigeon needs... I remember when I came in... that's exactly what I needed.... RW>Of course that way of sponsoring makes it much easier for the sponsor t RW>sober no matter how the sponsee reacts. it does take a certain amount of detachment.... I don't get that involved with someone anyway... of course that's not to say that I don't care... it's just that it won't matter what I say or do... it's totally up to each person to do the work and not the sponsor... RW>... Recovery is a process, not an event... that's for sure... take care.. __-==-__ --- * WR 1.31 # 675 * I hate to repeat gossip, so I'll only say this once. * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200012 Date: 02/01/96 From: ANTHONY DEFILIPPI Time: 09:38am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Question? -==- JK>Folks are being reached long before that by facts, hard cold facts. It JK>takes me around six weeks to impact someone in a group situation who is JK>reluctant to be in treatment. By then I have presented enough facts JK>that even someone who is court mandated into treatment will start to JK>identify with what I am saying. And, at that time, most of them will JK>also start to attend A.A. meetings if they have been reluctant to do so JK>before. the percentage of people who are willing to admit they definitely do have a problem after going through treatment or being incarcerated isn't very good.. most people are just as I was, just wanting to get the heat off my tail so I could return to my own way of life... I think it takes a lot longer than just six or eight weeks for these reluctant folks to get it through their heads... some heads are just thicker than others, so to speak..... however even if one one of these people is reached, the effort is worthwhile... JK>It isn't necessary for folks to become so ill these days that their JK>bodies are badly damaged and recovery is full of problems. We can and JK>do make a difference long beforehand. true, it isn't necessary, but let's look at what happens though... usually these reluctant individuals use the doors of AA as that revolving door until they have had enough... I'm sure these folks have had all sorts of incidents happen in their lives <> to show they definitely have a problem... each of us chooses to do things in our own time and not before then... It would be nice to be able to make those stubborn individuals like me change right away, but this just doesn't happen... JK>They need the oldest form of communication on earth, story telling. JK>Just make sure they get this and leave the results up to the Higher JK>Power. that's the true... you can see in their eyes that they are truly interested and listening intently during our meetings inside the jails, but once they are released, it seems like their freedom means so much to them that celebration is in order... then it's back to the same old ways once again... __-==-__ --- * WR 1.31 # 675 * There IS intelligent life in the universe. It ignores us! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Ruby's Joint BBS 904.777.6799 (1:112/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: D2200013 Date: 01/29/96 From: TIM DILL Time: 10:35am \/To: MARGE CLARK (Read 1 times) Subj: Hi ho... On (26 Jan 96) Marge Clark was mumbling to Linda Glover... MC> because our friend in Brooklyn was playing with barbies that day. MC> coming soon to toys 'r us...Crossdress Ken.... I had no ideas that she spread that story far and wide.... ;-) but wait 'til playtime... the poor kids will prolly think it's cute ;-) I know Rich likes the concept....... Tim..... ... Now KEN and BARBIE are PERMANENTLY ADDICTED to MIND-ALTERING DRUGS.. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Nuclear Waste Software /*\ We Glow Too! (1:102/749.2)