--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300006 Date: 11/24/95 From: ALLYSON SANDS Time: 12:15pm \/To: RAIN (Read 1 times) Subj: Is there a healthy limit Ra> Arrgghhh. My best friend is like that. She's had the same sixpack Ra> in her fridge for two years. Sick, sick, sick. And they call US wierdos! ;) Ra> I was lucky that way--I'm not the first recovering person in the Ra> family, so they know not to get all hovery and overprotective. I'm not the only alcoholic in my family (grin), but I am the only recovering one. So people get all hyper and wierd around me, even though I'm almost five years sober now. Strange... going to visit my parents just after my daughter was born, they got all upset because they hadn't hidden the booze before I arrived . I calmly stated that hiding it wouldn't do one spec of good if I *really* wanted a drink, and that storing the wine in the fridge woudln't do one spec of harm if I was determined not to drink. It took half the visit, but eventually they calmed down. I noticed the parental units didn't order drinks in restaurants while I was there, though Ally ... God may have a last name but I'm sure it's not "Damn It." ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Live Via Satellite - (604)944-6476 (1:153/7070) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300007 Date: 11/28/95 From: MARTIN WAXMAN Time: 09:10am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: upcomming event/N.A. Hello to all of you. I just got my hands on a few flyers tonight of some N.A. meetings and events that are to be taking place in the Phoenix AZ. area. They are as follows. Campfire meeting: Dates: December 23rd, January 27th, and Febuary 24th. These dates are all on the fourth saturday of the month. Location: Lost Dutchman State Park. Located in the Tonto National Forest of Arizona.($3.00 fee per car charged by the park) ____________________________________________________________________ New Years Ball: East Valley Area of Narcotics Anonymous invites you to attend our New years Ball. Location: Rendezvous Center....263 N. Center St. Mesa AZ. 85210 Cost: $15 per person or $28per couple. This includes dinner, entrance to the dance and raffle ticket. ___________________________________________________________________ --- msgedsq 2.0.4 * Origin: Marty's Place Mesa, AZ (1:114/136.4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300008 Date: 11/28/95 From: TIM DILL Time: 11:58am \/To: MARGE CLARK (Read 1 times) Subj: miracles ======================================================================== Copied from HIGHER_POWER by Tim Dill (1:102/749.2) ======================================================================== Resent 11-28...Higher power seems to have gone by the wayside.... On (24 Oct 95) Marge Clark wrote to Tim Dill... MC> I thought I heard Tim Dill (1:102/541.2) say: MC> as Bobby used to say... REL8!!!!! Oh, and I thought I was unique :-) MC> as a child, I was not ALLOWED several 'feelings'.anger being one of 'em. MC> it wasn't SAFE to...own it. I was taught to blame others for my feelings and get back at them by being angry at them. The anger unfortunately turned inward causing major unexplained rages that "just blew up" outta nowhere. The bottom line is that there was never a "safe" way for me to relase anger. MC>so for most of my life I didn't allow myself to MC> feel it...and feared it, dreadfully, both in myself and in others. Ah there is the rub, a NORMAL human emotion that causes me untold problems the simple solution (not always easy) is not to pick up that club.. I need to remind myself over and over again that I am not in charge here and that my higher powers (deeper powers 4 those inclined) are. MC> because the only thing I knew about it was that when and if it DID MC> come out, it was totally and completely out of control, and dangerous. Let me tell you about an episode that you prolly aint heard about. I was oh, about 10/11 years old at the time and intensely angry that my grandma had died. I was in denial and shock over her death. I had been undergoing some heavy "belt therapy" by my dad at the time because my behavior was out of control.. I was inattentive at school and he thought that a "little" discipline would help. Mrs. Wright my 5th grade school teacher threw a pencil at me while I was gazing out the window intensely saddened at my recent loss and I was just boiling inside..... I had no way to express my anger and loss without being bullied and being branded as a sissy so I kept it inside locked securely away. Until she threw that pencil. I remember picking up a desk over my head and throwing it at her. The next thing I remember is the principle dragging me from the room. That was one of my many rage black outs until I discovered self medication via marijuana... MC> mine, as well as others'. You see that it was never safe to be around me unless I was too stoned to move... MC> never was able to teach my kids how to 'appropriately' deal with anger MC> or other 'unacceptable' emotions, 'cause I didn't know myself. MC> So I managed to raise two out of three who punched holes in walls, MC> and broke their knuckles against concrete. Done that twice, once when I was 16 when I got my first car ('68 Impala) was '77 when I got it and it caught fire.. I punched a tree broke my right hand at the 5th metacarpal. 1978 I did not want to participate in gym class because the kids where raggin me for being too skinny (I had two classes that year to make up for the 1st time I broke my hand) the teacher was going to send me to the principals office so I punched the wall instead of the teacher.. yeah broke it again in the same place.. so I am in the same league as your kids. MC> learning that the FEELING is..okay..albeit real uncomfortable...and that MC> there are ways to work of the ENERGY of the feeling that don't damage me MC> or others. Took me awhile to get to the core issues 4.5 years of recovery it took to really find out where this came from. It all began with the need to suppress the feelings and not express them when I was ooo 7/8ish being picked on by bullies and my dad at home. I never knew which was worse the trip home or having my ass kicked for having my ass kicked on the way home when I got there... MC> that was late and slow coming, and I'm still learning it. Same here.. MC> thank you, Tim...for helping me, one more time, to see the similarities, MC> not the differences! So we are trodding the same path then eh? V )O( Bright Blessings | Tim ... "Any damned fool can predict the past. And most do." -- Niven --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Nuclear Waste Software /*\ We Glow Too! (1:102/749.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300009 Date: 11/29/95 From: WILLIAM KINMOND Time: 12:17pm \/To: STEPHEN CURRIER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Is there a healthy li SC>How much does exercise help in the curing or recovery from alcoholism????s There are lots of ways it helps. One it gives you something to do so you are not thinking about using in early recovery. Two it gives you a outlet to get rid of some of the things that each day brings your way. Exercise releases endorphens that help put you in a better place they you were before you started. Three it makes you look and feel better about yourself thus raising your self esteem. These are just a few of the good things that come from exercise can do for you to help you in recovery. It is just one more tool to use to help you get back into life again. Bill * QMPro 1.53 * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! --- InterEcho 1.14 * Origin: Truck Stop BBS * Rochester, NY (716) 235-0992 (1:2613/403) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300010 Date: 11/29/95 From: RICH WARD Time: 06:10am \/To: TIM DILL (Read 1 times) Subj: miracles On (28 Nov 95) Tim Dill wrote to Marge Clark... TD> ======================================================================== TD> Copied from HIGHER_POWER by Tim Dill (1:102/749.2) TD> ======================================================================== TD> Resent 11-28...Higher power seems to have gone by the wayside.... I was not aware of the above and recently suggested that some in THIS area might look it up and movr their 'threads' over there. It might even be renamed in an attempt to revive it. Would the following be a good name? God_Goddess_HigherPower ... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300011 Date: 11/30/95 From: DAN SHELLY Time: 09:06pm \/To: EDWIN HANEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God , Part 2 Great to hear someone who knows the truth the way and how to get a life beyond AA. Folks there is life out there and the Big Book does state to take what you learn here and go out and apply it out there in the real world. Only been sober for alittle while but the Lord has delievered me from a life of being a drunk. Walk on brother and keep the faith!!!! --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300012 Date: 11/30/95 From: DAN SHELLY Time: 09:10pm \/To: MARTIN WAXMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God Thanks for your input. God is alive in AA and his people are sharing the truth with a lost world. --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300013 Date: 11/30/95 From: DAN SHELLY Time: 09:20pm \/To: MARTIN WAXMAN (Read 1 times) Subj: The God Issue}r$Z\ --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300014 Date: 11/30/95 From: DAN SHELLY Time: 09:22pm \/To: KEVIN PLATKOWSKI (Read 1 times) Subj: where are you ????? Hey what happen to my two visits a month... I should have known your lips were moving at the time.. We miss you hope everything for you is going well since you got out of the Army. Life is good as a civilian. God Bless you hope to see you soon... We will be comming down for birthday night at Spanaway in Dec. to see Mike get his one year chip. Take care see ya wouldn't want to be ya......only kidding. \ WE LOVE YOU!!!!! --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CG300015 Date: 11/30/95 From: LINDA PINE Time: 10:57pm \/To: MICHAEL SIGAL (Read 1 times) Subj: Thanks for replying JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR REPLYING TO MY MESSAGE. i REALLY ENJOY TALKING TO PEOPLE IN RECOVERY. I HOPE TO HERE FROM YOU SOON. --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: The Support Network BBS * San Jose CA * 408/259-0297 (1:143/131)