--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00005 Date: 11/11/95 From: MATT GALLOWAY Time: 12:34am \/To: JACK MCCRATIC (Read 1 times) Subj: missy.wav here it is...unzip then play --- FLAME v1.0/b * Origin: INDEX -- 64 Lines -- 770-924-8472 -- telnet: index.com (1:133/201) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00006 Date: 11/13/95 From: TOM ANDERSON Time: 09:17am \/To: TIM DILL (Read 1 times) Subj: Nude Aa...? ;) Hello Tim! In a message to Tom Anderson <11/09/95> Tim Dill wrote: TD> On (04 Nov 95) TOM ANDERSON wrote to ROSLYN REID... TA> Gotta be messy in her shower. Water everywhere..... TD> Tom is there somehow this can be bought back to some semblance TD> of a recovery related subject? TD> I thought you would concur TD> Tim Dill TD> Asst. Mod Recovery Echo TD> (I aint exempt either) Sorry Tim, It just got outa hand I guess... (G) TD> ... Change # 1,000,899,546,789,321,541,329,225,457,952,988 Pls Note # TD> --- PPoint 1.92 TD> * Origin: Trudging the road in Torrance Ca. (1:102/541.2) Keep Commin Back !!! TomA ... I'd love to, but I think you want the OTHER Luke. --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Michiana Online, Michigan City, IN (1:230/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00007 Date: 11/13/95 From: TOM ANDERSON Time: 06:33pm \/To: ROSLYN REID (Read 1 times) Subj: Nude AA...? ;) -> TA>I remember way back when, you know, in prehistoric times... When -> TA>I was correct all the time. Now it's hit and miss. (G) -> -> hey, yeah! i know someone who's in those prehistoric times now! rea -> hard -> to carry on a conversation with those types. I've been asked to drift back to the main topic of the echo so lets get naked and talk about sobriety (G) TTYL TomA --- GEcho/32 1.20/Pro * Origin: Michiana Online, Michigan City, IN (1:230/15) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00008 Date: 11/14/95 From: RAYMOND COOL Time: 06:30am \/To: RICH WARD (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God RW> That is a subject covered by echo "tradition/experience" RW> rather then the RULES so I thought I'd say something ASAP after Oh, no wonder you didn't respond to my message when I asked if this were an "officlal" rule. RW> I will be revising / amending the rules since on/off topic is not of RW> too much importance. IT'S certain, argumentative, subjects that a RW> just plain TABOO. Oh, now don't go changing the rules on us......... But since we're on the subject, I'd like you to post immediatly the official rules of this echo so that I may determine if I/my callers are in compliance, as is my responsibility to do so. If you decide to "edit" the rules before you post them, I'd like you to post the old rules first, so that I may know if the problem with messages out of my system is legitimate, or just so much hot ir. By the way, since you mention "certain, argumentative subjects", I wish to ask how you determine this? So far, the only "arguments" have come the moderators. TD> ... Neo-pagan Barbie. Wand, athame and pentacle sold separately RW> Back to 'Barbie dolls' again? ;-] What's this about? I've followed a rather lenthy string about "Pagan" recovery, and another about "nude" recovery. Yet you complain in the same message about "off-topic" and "tabboo" subjects that are argumentative. I find this hypocritical. I, for one, don't object to "pagans" and "nudists", but I do object to these same people when they are as intolerant of my approach to recovery as you folks seem to be. Talk to me. --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00009 Date: 11/14/95 From: RAYMOND COOL Time: 06:43am \/To: CAL CLIFT (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God CC> You forgot " it/they/ none of the above/a being with no gender" :-) ....or a "non-being with no gender".... this could go on forever..... Why can't they stick with "God as we understand him"? CC> I wonder how they work step 2, 3,5,6,7,11, for me that CC> would be as hard as drinking? The answer to that question is obvious to me..... I don't hear much talk here about steps 2, 3,5,6,7, and 11.... A lot of talk about Pagans and Nudists and such... but not a lot of talk about recovery.... Well, I'll take that back... they're still trying to recover from Dan's message. CC> Cal Thanks Cal, you made my day. :) -Ray --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFJ00010 Date: 11/14/95 From: RAYMOND COOL Time: 06:54am \/To: EDWIN HANEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Who is God , Part 2 EH> Raymond, this is a place to talk about nude AA and slipping again EH> and how to get around working the steps or getting a EH> sponcer who tells you the truth even if you don't like EH> what he/she says. They should modify their listing in the Echo List then. When I signed up for this echo, it was because it was listed as: RECOVERY Discussions on the 12 steps. I even rechecked it to see if I got the nude pagan echo by mistake..... EH> GOD or any other Healthy Truth has no place here...Unless you want EH> what we have which is RECOVERY EH> and a God who could and would if he were sought. This sounds like the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous to me.... What a refreshing thing to have this morning! EH> a slip. Yep I'll stick with God (the father and Son) My sponcer who hurts EH> my feelings when he disagrees with me and AA's 12 steps and 12 traditions. Thanks. It works for me too! :) -Ray --- Maximus 3.00 * Origin: Covenant BBS Tacoma, Washington (1:138/228) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFK00000 Date: 11/13/95 From: RICH WARD Time: 08:31am \/To: H-D (Read 1 times) Subj: Is there a healthy limit On (12 Nov 95) H-D wrote to Rich Ward... > ... I'm not living in the past..just making payments on it. Tim D. H > Hello Rich! H > Rick H > * Origin: Born to be Wild BBS KC,MO 816.461.6267 ZyXEL (1:280/157) ^^^^^ Hi Rick, Do you live in the KC, MO area? I recently lost contact with a musician / pizza-delivery kid. He lives around the Columbia, MO (university drop-out). I met him once in Long Beach, CA and we hit it off in a counselling sort of relationship .... a couple of months ago he moved a couple of blocks to a new house and his old phone was disconected ..... talk to me voice if you want. 310-436-7884 Richard ... Sure, it's embarrassing, but it's over quickly. --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFK00001 Date: 11/13/95 From: RICH WARD Time: 09:06am \/To: RAYMOND COOL (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God On (11 Nov 95) Raymond Cool wrote to Rich Ward... RW> In this RECOVERY Echo the discussion on/of God/HP (whatever one calls RW> Her/Him) is allowed only to the extent of sharing that RC> Hi Rich! RC> attempt to force his beliefs on you or anyone. RC> If one must avoid all mention of what their Higher Power has done for RC> them in RC> this echo, then there really isn't a whole lot left to discus, is there? I think you'll probably find that SIP_AA echo will allow as much discussion as you (or anyone) wants pertain to what/how HP/God has done for you or anyone. RC> How many of the twelve steps do we have to ignore if we can't talk about RC> Say the word, tell me that is is indeed an "official" rule here, and I'll RC> yank this echo from my system so as not to subject you to talk of God. RC> mean,it's not like this is a Spiritual Program or something. I'm rather careful not to mix up the "spiritual part of the progam" with how, when, why ... etc God/HP works for me .... Please use NetMail for any further discussion on this subject. Or you can call voice if you'd like I have nothing against God/Hp ;-). However, RECOVERY (this echo) is advertised (elist etc) as a 12 step 'chit chat' area. Rather like idle chatter before and after meetings and during coffee break with some light sharing. If your interested in voice the number is: 310-436-7884 thanks Father Richard Ward ... SILENCE: Wisdom's One Satisfactory Substitute --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Steps of DC West! Long Beach, CA (1:102/749.7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFK00002 Date: 11/14/95 From: H-D Time: 07:12am \/To: RICH WARD (Read 1 times) Subj: Is there a healthy limit RE: Is there a healthy limit BY: Rich Ward to H-D on Mon Nov 13 1995 08:31:55 > Do you live in the KC, MO area? I recently lost contact with a musician / > pizza-delivery kid. He lives around the Columbia, MO (university drop-out). Hello Rich, Yes, I do live in the Kansas City, MO area...actually Independence. I have only been that far east in MO once since I moved back here from San Diego almost 2 years ago. I wouldn't be able to help you find him. Have a great day, H-D ... SyncEdit v2.1 --- Synchronet+SBBSecho v1.20 * Origin: Born to be Wild BBS KC,MO 816.461.6267 ZyXEL (1:280/157) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CFK00003 Date: 11/12/95 From: MARTIN WAXMAN Time: 03:35am \/To: DAN SHELLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Who is God Dan Shelly wrote to All on and announced .. DS> I was told early in the program that my believe and faith in God would DS> decide if I recovered from a hopeless state of mind and body or if I stayed DS> in the diease. Whats your thoughts? This part of the message is still being told today. It is believable as well. DS> It's been a long hard struggle to find a faith that works but when I DS> finally surrendered and quit trying to work so hard the teacher ppeared. Funny who the teachers turn out to be sometimes. Alot of the times it is the newcommer. DS> Life still has its ups and downs but I found I have not been tempted that DS> that God has not giving me a way to endure through it and life has DS> actually become an adventure. Same here. For some reason, people in general are still trying to win the race called life. I prefer to live a journey. DS> I have been blessed with the return of my family and have for the first DS> time in my life been able to form a partnership with my fellow human DS> beings. God has made all this possible for me when I do his will... Ditto. Wish I was there yesturday. Seems that even when Asking for emotional pain and stress to be removed, it takes longer. DS> Doing Gods will is the hard part because all the things in me are usually DS> the opposite of Gods will. Lust...Greed...Glutony...etc. Like to dabble do we? :-) DS> The truth is in the book....READ.... Many meetings later and much reading of the "Basic Text and "It works How and why", I now have six years and a few months to tell you how well the program works. Marty --- msgedsq 2.0.4 * Origin: Marty's Place Mesa, AZ (1:114/136.4)