--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00002 Date: 08/28/95 From: JAMES EDWARDS Time: 12:39pm \/To: BILL KOPPELMANN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: what kind of promises? Alcohol's Disastrous Promise. This was a great poem and does it fit into many life's. Thanks Bill, I will share this with other alcoholic's in my area. Take care and God bless. Yours in recovery, James ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic --- GEcho+ "The Best":-) * Origin: -=[GENESIS]=- VIA SATELLITE & 28.8 (406)761-2434 (1:3400/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00003 Date: 08/28/95 From: MATRIKA Time: 01:01pm \/To: BILL THOMA (Read 2 times) Subj: REPLY TO OPEN LETTER You know what they say, sponsors drink, groups don't - at least not everyone in the group drinks at once, anyway. --- TriToss (tm) Professional 1.0 - #130 * Origin: This is THE Place * (508)793-8502 (1:322/739.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00004 Date: 08/28/95 From: MATRIKA Time: 01:08pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: REPLY TO OPEN LETTER Re - at least there is one group with length of sobriety in it, that should help you - can you imagine what it must have been like for Bill W? Really he always had seniority and everyone always putting him - and Dr. Bob too, probably - up on a pedestal? It must have been really REALLY hard for him to open up and talk about it when he had a difficult time. It must have been a heavy weight to carry to go first, in my opinion. I'm glad it wasn't me. Even with just 8 years and having "seniority" in some of the circles I travel in, I sometimes get the feeling that I'm upposed to always be a power of example of how terrific life in sobriety is - but real life just isn't always like that in my experience. It's hard to be real because people seem to expect anyone with more than five years to have it all together around here. But that just isn't realistic. Life on life's terms has many wonderful - MARVELOUS even - Thins in it today, but it also can have some real bummers on occasion too. One of the more marvelous things is I went to a Pow-wow this weekend (I am part Native American) and saw two friends from AA and I was able to gift one of them with a special anniversary medallion for Native Americans in Recovery while I was there. Since this person has been a quiet, but powerful, power of example to me, it was a special pleasure to be able to do this. Am I making sense? I might NOT be because I have agreed to speak at a group's anniversary meeting wednesday evening and I am projecting - making myself a bit nervous here. --- TriToss (tm) Professional 1.0 - #130 * Origin: This is THE Place * (508)793-8502 (1:322/739.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00005 Date: 08/28/95 From: BYRON WHITED Time: 08:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Herbs Prevent Drunkenness From the Houston Chronicle Aug 28, 1995 _Study Finds herbal medicines actually prevent drunkeness by Michael Conlon "Japanese scientists reported last week that those traditional Chinese medicines used for centuries to treat arthritis, dibetes and stomach ills appear to have the ability to grab alcohol and route it through the digestive system before it can be absorbed into the blood stream. 'No matter how much you drink, you would not get drunk," Masayuki Yoskikawa of Kyoto Pharmaceutical University said, 'If you consume this before you have alcohol...the blood alcohol will not increase, in fact it will decrease.' The effect has been tested so far only on laboratory rats given one of four traditional compounds an hour before they downed an ethanol cocktail. The rats had from zero to on-fifth the amount of blood alcohol as other rats not given the preventive medicine.... Human tests have not yet been done... The study involved four remedies that he said have been used for thousands of years in the Orient and beyond with no apparent adverse side effects. They are (a) the bark and the root cortex of the angelica tree; (b) the plant ovary of the soap-berry; (c) the seeds of the camellia and the horse chestnut and (d) the roots of the seneca snakeroot. Of the four, Yoshikawa said, angelica seems to have the strongest effect in absorbing alcohol. The mechanism by which that is accomplished, he added, is not yet understood... 'I regard this...as a good medicine to prevent acute alcoholism,' he said of the compounds studied. --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: Wells Branch BBS, Austin TX 512-255-7275 (1:382/1001) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00006 Date: 08/28/95 From: SHARON STEVENS Time: 12:00am \/To: RICH WARD (Read 2 times) Subj: Echo In a note to Bill, you said.. RW> BT> RECOVERY RW> BT> !!! DELETE WARNING !!! RW>I was under the impression the the ELIST had been DISCONTINUED by its RW>originator a few months ago. As a matter of fact he himself had answered RW>messages pertaining to that. Mike Fuchs isn't doing it anymore, that's true.. BUT I think it's Adrian Walker that is now doing it... RW>Where do you send the UPDATES currently? I have heard that it's the same node number.. but it just goes to a different person now... 1:1/201 is where they get sent... I think it's the same method, just that it goes to a different person now... Chow chow chow................for now..............Sharon Stevens. * SLMR 2.1a * ...NOT the Mama!!!! --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: The Rusty PipeLine - Quesnel, B.C. (604) 992-2781 (1:3404/155) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00007 Date: 08/29/95 From: WILLIAM KINMOND Time: 9:38am \/To: MARGE CLARK (Read 2 times) Subj: New BBS In the net. MC>Welcome, William...hope you and your users share a lot with us, here. the >ES&H I've received online have meant so very very much to my recovery... MC>thanks for letting us know you are here! I have this echo for me and I do know that it will help me that is for sure. I use to get these echo's from other places and they helped me then. I am new in this end of fido so I guess they are for me. I have to think that way today. Thanks for the Warm Fuzzies and I will be here reading and getting all that I can. Bill * QMPro 1.53 * Where the heck is the ANY key???? --- InterEcho 1.11 * Origin: Truck Stop BBS,Rochester NY, 1-716-235-0992 (1:2613/403) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00008 Date: 08/27/95 From: BROCHA GILA Time: 06:14am \/To: JOHN MC (Read 2 times) Subj: surrender > HAving a real hard time with the 'surender' part of the steps. > Just wont/cant > do it. Dear John Mc, Here's my view as a recovering codependent. It seems that when I am in my most painful places, I revert back to relying on my will instead of surrendering to my HP's will. I am learning that my faith in my HP needs to grow to apply to the toughest times ahead. I am beginning to learn that my HP will not take away my person when I let go. Instead my personal blocks to being free to be myself will be removed--a precious gift when all I need to do is to let go. > Can someone put another way so I can understand it better? Another attitude that helps me is that there is balance and gentleness to this process. I need to be in partnership with my HP to do my part. That use of my will is needed. I need to ask "what is going on with me?" And then inventory my feelings and prayers, adopt openness, willingness and honesty-----and then l-e-t g-o------------------------------------- > Thanks! John, thank you for this opportunity to share. Best wishes in finding what works for you. Brocha Gila --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: -=Serenity is a PLACE of mind=- (1:320/6969) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CC^00009 Date: 08/29/95 From: JIM SHORT Time: 08:35pm \/To: EDWIN HANEY (Read 2 times) Subj: Reply to Help Hi Ed, Recently, you wrote... EH>Jim, In my experience in the program your responce to this echo was on EH>of the BEST I've had the priviledge to observe. We all need more of this EH>kind of feed back for a healthy recovery. Thanks for showing up. Thank you for the complement, but (as I'm sure you know) it wasn't "Jim" but rather Jim's Higher Power working thru Jim. :) Still, I'm glad you were able to appreciate the words written. :) I've actally "been around" this echo for five years, but mostly in "lurk mode" lately due to other things going on in my life. EH>Take Care, And you too! :) Yours in Recovery... -=Jim=- --- FreeMail 1.09 * Origin: Tacoma Recovery 206-589-3820 (1:138/240) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CD100000 Date: 08/28/95 From: TIM DILL Time: 04:32pm \/To: THOM R. (Read 2 times) Subj: North Hollywood On (12 Aug 95) Thom R. wrote to Tim Dill... TR> Just to let you know... I have recently started going back to the North TR> Hollywood Group on a limited basis. How limited? TR> If you ever want to meet me there again... just let me know ahead of ime TR> and I am sure it can be arranged. Yes, if'n I can ever get John to come along again. TR> Any chance of getting John Elder out there again? But this time LETTING ME TR> KNOW ABOUT IT FIRST?!?! ;-) Otay! TR> Also... I am getting re-attuned to Level III Reiki tomorrow afternoon. TR> Since I have just come out of a stressful period, my reiki master agrees TR> that I shoul dprobably re-attune before my mastership, which is probably TR> less than a MONTH away! :) TR> FINALLY! I am carrying out, to the end, something I started!! :))) Cool.... Blessings Tim.... --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Trudging the road in Torrance Ca. (1:102/541.2)