--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBX00004 Date: 07/26/95 From: BUDDY KING Time: 07:27am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Adult Child Definition? Hi, Gang.. I have a friend who has just begun a 12-Step program, and she asked me what the definition of an "adult child" was. I have my thoughts how to answer this, but thought that it would be more useful to get other's opinions on this. Anyone care to share their views? Thanks! -Budman ... Childhood is short and maturity is forever." -- Calvin ___ TagDude 0.90+[BK] --- FMail/386 0.98 * Origin: Michiana On-Line Messenger, South Bend IN 219-674-0555 (1:227/115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBX00005 Date: 07/26/95 From: BILL KEETON Time: 09:58pm \/To: ROSLYN REID (Read 2 times) Subj: RERUNS On (23 Jul 95) Roslyn Reid wrote to All... RR> hi gang, i'm back from vacation...whew! think i need another one...it was RR> 103 here saturday. Hi Roslyn, Long time, no talk to. Hope you had a nice vacation. RR> now comes the inneresting part: my best friend always figured that if RR> any kind of life-threatening thing ever happened to her husband, he RR> would wake up & realize how much he needed & loved her. HA! in fact, RR> the exact opposite took place--he became an even WORSE bastard! now SHE RR> is RR> depressed because this was her last hope to rehabilitate this guy. RR> she told him to get out. then she told me she knew he would be back, & RR> she RR> would take him back. ho hum. i guess she really digs being the target of RR> his sadistic pleasures. It sort of sounds like the pair you speak of are in great need of help. I never could understand why folks stayed in abusive situations but at the same time, I never considered my own sickness as being abusive. Funny how that works isn't it? Maybe that it is not so much that your friend digs the abuse as it is that there is a lot of fear over being alone and feeling unloved. A hard call to make at best. I wish you, and them, luck and prayers. Nice to chat with ya again Ros, take care. Walk in Peace, Bill ... If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door. --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Dr.Bill's Desert Domain (1:2215/12.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00000 Date: 07/20/95 From: BROCHA GILA Time: 09:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Resources, Jewish Dear fellow 12 Steppers, There is a Jewish recovery movement and here are some good resources. Twelve Jewish Steps to Recovery by Rabbi Kerry Olitsky and Stuart A Copans, MD Renewed Each Day, Daily 12 Step Recovery Meditations Based on the Bible (Jewish), Vol I and II, By Rabbi Olitsky and Aaron Z. Recovery from Codependence, by Rabbi Olitsky These and more recovery books are available from: Jewish Lights Publishing Co. P.O.B. 237 Sunset Farm Offices, Route 4 Woodstock, Vermont 05091 phone: (800) 962-4544 fax: (802) 457-4004 There is an organization called JACS, Jewish Alcoholics, Chemical Dependents, and Significant Others which has centers in New York and Boston. I went to a JACS Spirituality Day this past January in Boston, and I was grateful for the gifts of fellowship and sharing. The JACS address is as follows: JACS Foundation 426 West 58th Street New York, NY 10019 phone: (212) 397-4197 If you are Jewish, or know of someone sponsoring a recovering Jewish person, please pass these resources along. Brocha Gila --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: (1:320/6969) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00001 Date: 07/27/95 From: RICH WARD Time: 07:55pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Recovery.Rul ------------------=========================------------------------ RECOVERY ECHOMAIL CONFERENCE - FidoNet -- Status: RECOVERY is a moderated conference carried on the FidoNet Backbone. RECOVERY is an "open forum" type conversational conference for the discussion of topics related to addictions and recovery from them; also, anouncements of RECOVERY related gatherings (conferences, workshops, speaker meetings, etc.) are in order. [The above paragraph does not really LIMIT the topics SINCE we ALL drank or used (or whatever word you choose) over anything and every- thing at one time or another.] RECOVERY is for those involved in the various "12 Step" recovery programs, as well as for those WHO ARE not involved in a recovery program but WHO HAVE a desire to deal with recovery from THEIR additive BEHAVIOR AND ARE INTERESTED IN CONVERSING WITH THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN 12 STEP PROGRAMS. This includes AA, NA, Al-Anon, OA, EA, SLAA and many other such 12-step-BASED groups. -- Rules: Darned few! Promotion of "commercial ventures" such as treatment facilities or clinics is not in order. General rules of social conduct are always in order. Repeated "abusive/annoying" messages * may draw comment from the moderator or be brought to the attention * of the Moderator by other conference participants. * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTE: As RECOVERY is not a part of or affiliated with _ANY_ recovery program, attempting to impose traditions, membership requirments, etc. of any specific program is out of order. To SysOps: Please refrain from posting "test" messages in this conference. The additional traffic of tests and the resulting replies is not desirable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ** It is OK to give a [business not another members] address or telephone number in response to a direct request from a co-user of the echo, without further comment (no price listing or list of items etc). Rich Ward, 102/749.7 Moderator Just in passing:- These statements, used to guide SysOps, might well be mentioned here for all callers to note. 1.) You shall not be excessively ANNOYING. 2.) You shall not be too easily ANNOYED. --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00002 Date: 07/27/95 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 05:46pm \/To: BUDDY KING (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Adult Child Definition? BK> I have a friend who has just begun a 12-Step program, and she BK> asked me what the definition of an "adult child" was. It originally meant someone who had an alcoholic as a parent and did not get over the negative effects, banded together with other folks with similar progams in something called "Adult Children of Alcoholics" not realizing that there is only one disease. --- QuickBBS 2.76a * Origin: Tacoma Recovery 206-589-3820 (1:138/240) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00003 Date: 07/13/95 From: BRIAN WATERMAN Time: 12:58pm \/To: BOB WALSH (Read 2 times) Subj: CONGRATS! BW>To whom it may concern. On July 16 1995, I Bob Walsh have been sober BW>three years!!!!! Happy Birthday Happy Birthday Grief, Sorrow, and Despair People Dying Everywhere Happy Birthday... It always makes my day to see someone else celebrate a birthday. Yet another miracle to chalk up to God. ___ * MikeMayl v1.0 * Ay, why ask eh? Drink Canada Dry! --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.02H1 * Origin: Paradise Lost BBS, Seattle, Wa. (206)365-7435 (1:343/236) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00004 Date: 07/13/95 From: BRIAN WATERMAN Time: 01:00pm \/To: MARTIN WAXMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: ME MW> See, I knew that the program worked in NY. So why is it that > so many of the NY residents come out to AZ. for aftercare and > halfway houses? Winter in New York: 30 degrees Fahrenheit. Winter in Arizona: 30 degrees Celsius. Any questions? ___ * MikeMayl v1.0 * Get stoned! Drink wet cement! --- Silver Xpress Mail System 5.02H1 * Origin: Paradise Lost BBS, Seattle, Wa. (206)365-7435 (1:343/236) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00005 Date: 07/27/95 From: MARGE CLARK Time: 07:19am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Tim got a call from Tim Dill yesterday afternoon. His system is down, and the 'puter will be in the shop for a few weeks...probably til mid august. he asked that I tell you all that he's not ignoring us... --- msged 2.06 * Origin: Promises bbs, Nashville TN (615) 367-4410 (1:116/3000.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 231 RECOVERY Ref: CBY00006 Date: 07/28/95 From: CHARLES NEWCOMB Time: 07:10am \/To: BUDDY KING (Read 2 times) Subj: Adult Child Definition? Hello Buddy! 26 Jul 95 07:27, Buddy King wrote to All: BK> I have a friend who has just begun a 12-Step BK> program, and she asked me what the definition of an "adult BK> child" was. It's short for "adult child of an alcoholic," isn't it? An al-anon who had the special circumstance of growing up with an alcoholic parent. Charles --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Nothing happens in God's world by mistake (1:147/4007.3)