--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2K00009 Date: 02/13/98 From: MARTINA WALTHER Time: 01:16pm \/To: MORTEN OERITSLAND (Read 1 times) Subj: Where are you from HI Morten ! Zu Marco Sola meinte Morten Oeritsland ber 'Where are you from': >> So, am I right when I say that most of the users are from the US.? > Hi from Fiorano, Italy. MO> Hello, it is nice to see somebody else from europe here =) And "Helloooo" from BERLIN / Germany!! Martina! --- ... --- * Origin: Ich lass mir noch was einfallen... (2:2410/1037.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2K00010 Date: 02/15/98 From: JASON KOZEY Time: 04:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: african cichlids anyone got any suggestions on how to get good breeding results for african cichlids please reply /s --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #42 * Origin: SkyWatch - Your Astronomy Connection (1:140/118.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2K00011 Date: 02/15/98 From: CAROL SHENKENBERGER Time: 06:15pm \/To: JOHN FORESTER (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Angel Fish *** Quoting John Forester from a message to Lucretia Miles *** JF> Angels are a bit delicate to cycle a tank. If they all croak, try get JF> some feeder gold fish to complete the cycle. They're about $1.50 a do JF> and have no personality so you won't feel bad when they die. I wouldn JF> use a dozen though. Probably two or three. Once ammonia peaks and ni JF> start to drop, it's usually safe to start adding real fish slowly. Hey! Wait a sec! Goldfish are real fish! Also, they arent good to add to any tank with non-goldfish in them. The goldfish will kill the others (bottom scroungers excepted). Also, goldfish have personalities, each unique to one another. xxcarol --- Telegard v3.09.b15 * Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA 757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2K00012 Date: 02/09/98 From: DAVE HAZELMAN Time: 02:44am \/To: TAMMY WILSON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Welcome to Aquarium! -=> Quoting Tammy Wilson to All <=- TW> I wanted to take a moment to thank Robert Rice, for his continued TW> interest in this echo, and having posted the rules for his own NANFE Yeah, I like his postings too. I learn a lot from his messages. ... Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today. --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: bloom county bbs * dearborn, mi * (313)582-0888 (1:2410/400) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2L00000 Date: 02/16/98 From: ROBERT RICE Time: 06:20pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Lets trade............. ******************************************************* North American Native Fishes Association (NANFA) Trading Post - December, 1997 Edition ******************************************************* Readers are encouraged to distribute this listing to other electronic forums, fish clubs, individuals and others who have an interest in North American native fishes. Member advertisements should be forwarded to the Trading Post Editor, Dwight D. Moody, by email to dwight.moody@mailexcite.com or by regular mail to P.O. Box 214, East Montpelier, VT 05651. Commercial advertisers are required to be members of NANFA and to prepay ads, starting with the January, 1998 edition of the Trading Post. Commercial ads need to be forwarded to the Trading Post Editor prior to the deadline for the next edition, which for the January edition of the Trading Post is December 29, 1997. Regional representatives which have ads in the Trading Post have their name in capital letters followed by a listing of their region. The Regional Representative activities area at the NANFA web site (http://www.nanfa.org) has additonal information posted by the regional representatives. ******************************************************* NOTE: NANFA assumes that all sales or trades of native fish are done in full compliance with applicable state and federal laws, rules and regulations and only after obtaining any necessary permits for collecting, maintaining, importing or exporting of native fish. Obtaining the necessary permits from the US Fish and Wildlife Service and/or applicable State agencies is the sole responsibility of the parties involved in the transaction. NANFA does not condone or tolerate illegal practices and encourages members to contact the office of their state's fish and wildlife department or regional office of the US Fish and Wildlife Service to obtain information and applications for any necessary permits. ****************************************************** COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS ****************************************************** Commercial advertisers are required to be members of NANFA after a one month trial ad in the Trading Post, which for current advertisers is the ad appearing in this edition of the Trading Post. Commercial advertisers are encouraged to offer items for sale of interest to native fish keepers, such as fish, plants, equipment, books, etc. PLEASE NOTE: Advertising rates for commercial advertisements, effective January 1, 1998, are 20 cents a word. Paid ads will be printed in the Trading Post section of the next edition of American Currents, which is published quarterly. In addition, each paid ad will also appear in the electronic version for three (3) months after payment is received and in any editions of the Darter published during that period. Advertisers are required to be members of NANFA after a one month complementary ad, which will appear in the electronic version of the Trading Post. Advertising requests are required to be pre-paid, payable to "NANFA," and must be received by the Trading Post Editor prior to the deadline for the next Trading Post. Trading Post ads will appear in American Currents and the Darter in a format similar to that of the electronic edition of the Trading Post. DISPLAY ADS IN AMERICAN CURRENTS: Advertisers may also place display ads in American Currents. Display ads, which must be prepaid and mailed to the Trading Post Editor, have the following rate structure: full page, $150; half page, $80; quarter page, $40; eighth page, $20. Please make checks payable to "NANFA". Advertisers should contact the Trading Post Editor for information on deadlines for upcoming editions. -------------------------------------------------------------------- No commercial advertising for this edition. -------------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE NOTE: the ads in the Announcements, Information Requests or Requests for Assistance and Member Sales/Trades have a date at the end of the message that indicates when it was first posted. Remember that you have to contact the Trading Post Editor if you want the ad to continue for another three (3) months. Check your ad! -------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* ANNOUNCEMENTS ********************************************************* PLAN TO ATTEND: NANFA 1998 NATIONAL CONVENTION NANFA's national convention will be held in Chattanooga, TN during June 5-7, 1998. Tennessee has over 300 species of fish, the most biodiverse area in the US. Chattanooga also features the Tennessee Aquarium, the largest freshwater aquarium in the US, along with a variety of historical and cultural sites. More information will be posted in later editions of the Trading Post and will also be available on the NANFA discussion list. (01/98) Coming in 1998 to European NANFA members and native fish enthusiasts domestically raised North American native fish, including Longear Sunfish, Dollar Sunfish, Pygmy Sunfish, Blackbanded Sunfish, Blue Spotted Sunfish and various shiners. Contact Keld Hansen , Damsigvej 9, 9352 Denmark, Dybvad, Denmark for further details. (11/97) PETER UNMACK (Arizona-Nevada Regional Representative) P.O. Box 1454, Tempe, AZ 85280. Phone # (602) 965-1578. Email: peter.unmack@asu.edu. I organize two major trips to southern Nevada, one in April, the other in October (usually to Ash Meadows). Other trips occur from time to time, usually on short notice. If you are interested in getting out into the wilds contact me and let me know. All are welcome to join this ASU graduate student in some puddle pirating! (11/97) ********************************************************** INFORMATION REQUESTS OR REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE ********************************************************** NEEDS HELP FOR RESEARCH PROJECT: Patricia Halpin , Department of Zoology, Oregon State University Corvallia, OR 97331 >Phone #: (541) 737-5359; Fax #: (541) 737-0501. Email: halpinp@ava.bcc.orst.edu. Seeking live specimens of any and all Fundulus species except F. heteroclitus for an ongoing research project. Please contact her if you can help. (11/97) ********************************************************** NON-COMMERCIAL MEMBER ADVERTISEMENTS: SALES AND TRADES ********************************************************** NOTE: members who fail to reciprocate in trading will have their ads removed from the Trading Post and may be subject to other sanctions. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBERT RICE (Florida regional representative) 2213 Prytania Circle, Navarre FL 32566 Phone # (904) 936-0097. Email: robertrice@juno.com. HAS (for individuals with organized breeding programs only): Pond reared Flagfin Shiners, various Pygmy Sunfish, Bluespotted Sunfish, Dollar Sunfish, Leptolucania ommata, Fundulus chrysotus, Bluefin Killie, F. cingulatus, Redfin Pickerel , and many other southeastern species. WANTS: Southern redbelly and Mountain Redbelly Dace, Tennessee Snubnose and Cherry Darters; Blackbanded Sunfish. (11/97) Clarence Waldron Ph.D. 75 Joliette Drive Napoleon Ohio 43545-2224 Phone # (419) 599-3510. Email: kwaldron@wvu.edu. HAS FOR SALE: the following books in like-new condition: Spotte: Fish and Invertebrate Culture (new $23.50) - $10.00; Spotte: Marine and Aquarium Keeping (new $12.95) - $5.00; Bower: The Basic Marine Aquarium - $5.00; Friese: Marine Invertebrates - $5.00; Brusca: Common Intertidal Invertebrates of the Gulf of California (New $26.95) - $10.00. All 5 books: $30.00 plus shipping. ALSO HAS: microworm starter cultures - $1.00. Fruit fly starter cultures (4 varieties) - $2.00 each, plus shipping. Has 1992-1995 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 (1:366/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: F2L00001 Date: 02/16/98 From: ROBERT RICE Time: 06:21pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Oldies but goodies........ Our Hidden Jewels Robert Rice It appears that many of our States fishermen and Naturalist are overlooking a resource of beauty unparalleled in the world. This item is exported and established in Europe and Asia where it has been winning awards and fame. Yet here at home it is virtually ignored . What are we missing you may wonder? Is it some rare unknown plant , an exotic mineral, the latest batch from a micro winery? No, these gems are our non game native fishes. When you say non game fishes most people say "nothing to 'em. dull as dust". As an aquarist and amateur naturalist I can tell you our natives are among the most beautiful and easy to keep fish in the world .They rival most tropicals and a great many Saltwater fish in color and diversity of body types. Surprised? A great many people are, they have gotten the mistaken notion that the only fish worth investigating are the game fish, and the only fish worth keeping are the tropicals. I spend allot of my free time collecting and studying our natives ,so my idea of fishing is a bit different. While many of my peers labor away at bass and trout I take a stranger turn. I spent hours mucking around with seine and dip nets catching "bait" and more than a few puzzled looks. "What 'cha catching there fella" I hear it often and enjoy getting the chance to explain what most people have been missing. You may wonder what does it take to get started in keeping non game natives. For the novice to either collecting or keeping fish I recommend the following a tank of at least 20 gallons setup and waiting for fish, natives are extremely tolerant to temperature and water variables so avoid the extremes and fluctuations and you'll be fine. You'll need a fishing license and an awareness of local regulations regarding collecting . The collecting gear I recommend is a 4 foot 1/8 th. inch seine net, an 1/8 dip net (Try to avoid larger mesh as it can harm the fish) .Additional items you'll want to bring include bug spray , buckets, zip lock bags and a partner if you can talk someone into it make the trip. Once all your gear is in your ready for action .Pick a spot that is convenient, away from sport fishermen ,and looks like it's got a regular water flow and jump in Now some people prefer to use waders. I am what they call a Primitive Collector, shorts , tennis shoes , and my testosterone aided attitude is all I use. My greatest joy is being waist deep in mud as the water tickles my chin and I navigate my net past a tree trunk .Others who are much wiser or have a more realistic self perception (My Wife for instance) take a more civilized route waders, sunscreen, picnic lunch etc. You of course will find your own way of doing things as there is no one right way. The most important thing to remember is be smart, don't take what you shouldn't , don't keep what you don't want, and don't take what you don't have room for. The second most important thing is not how you do it, but that you enjoy doing it . After I have caught my prize I gently bag them in a zip lock bag with a small amount of water and allot of blown in air. Pack them away from the sun and repeat until happy. In my experience trips that are less than two hours away from your home and your tanks are the best. Once at home open the bags floating them in the tank for around 20 minutes until the temperatures are equal then dip out your fish into the tank, never, I repeat, never dump the water into the tank, that is the number one way to transmit disease and parasites. You'll find with a little care and attention your new additions will quickly adapt to domestic life and will come up to greet you at feeding time. In time with proper care and a little luck your catch may even spawn in the tank. People often wonder what fish work well in an aquarium so here are some that I have kept and really enjoy: Orange-spotted sunfish (Lepomis Humilus): This colorful little sunfish adapts readily to domestic life. It's been recently introduced to the European pet industry. It will commonly spawn in an aquarium. The breeding colors of the males make them one of the most beautiful fish in the world. Central Longear (Lepomis M. Megalotis ) : This beautiful and durable sunfish is attractive year round, eats anything from worms to frozen tropical fish food to dried dog food soaked in water. It is intelligent and will often eat out of your hand . It's looks remind me of the discus and it's hardiness is unparalleled. Red Shiner (Notropis Lutrensis ): This colorful and very adaptable minnow with its red fins and bluish body is an eye catcher in any tank. It readily eats flake food and is sometimes sold in the pet industry as a "Redhorse Shiner". Southern Red Belly Dace (Phoxinus erythrogaster): This gorgeous little minnow is truly a world class fish. In England, they have peaked in their domestic popularity, commonly winning national trade shows, and with it's red belly and yellow fins it is no wonder! Of course there are many other central United States species that are very well suited for the aquarium. However almost all of your sport fish and cold water species are not .So do yourself and the fish a favor and don't try it! People have often asked me "Why are you such an advocate for native fish?". I will tell you why, I believe we will not preserve things that we do not love, and we cannot love things that we have not known. So that is why I work to share with others, all the wonderfull native species we have. In the hope that my great grandchildren can someday look across a prairie stream and see a flash of color in the water and begin to wonder aloud "What was that?" and start on their own journey to knowing. If you are interested in learning more about keeping native fish contact NANFA (North American Native Fish Association) via Robert Rice, 2213 Prytania Circle , Navarre Florida,32566 e-mail Robert_Rice@oblique.org --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 (1:366/47)