--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1I00002 Date: 01/13/97 From: GREG KREAPS Time: 03:01pm \/To: ROBBY DITTMANN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: reply Yes it is a little tank as you say but its from k-mart...this is a small town...already have my eye on a 10gal set up heater, filter, and the thing I need most..INSTRUCTION!!!! I sell seafood for a living (as well as other food) so I guess I'm better at cooking fish than I am at keeping them alive Thanks for your help...drop a line anytime GREG --- QuickBBS 2.80 (Zeta-1) * Origin: Camelot BBS - Belpre, Ohio - 614-423-0185 (1:2210/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1I00003 Date: 01/13/97 From: GREG KREAPS Time: 03:10pm \/To: JEFF MCKEE (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: reply Being that I do not have a fish that eats waste for a living...should I get one?...because it seem that the water gets a bit of color to fast if I only change part of the water.....have purchased anti-chlor..Removes chlorine, chloramines and ammonia from water...first can I add this to the water with the fish in it? Next it tells me that this will remove ammonia from the water that is a by-product of fish waste...but it only give my directions for 10 gal of water at a time....you would do what?? Thanks Greg --- QuickBBS 2.80 (Zeta-1) * Origin: Camelot BBS - Belpre, Ohio - 614-423-0185 (1:2210/20) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1I00004 Date: 01/13/97 From: BILL DAWSON Time: 02:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: DEC's Alpha or ANY non-Intel.. -=> Quoting Adam Walker to Kiwi [regarding Alpha chip] <=- .. and whether any ordinary game-player could run MechWar on such a system.. AMG> ... it's 3 times faster than a Pentium Pro 200... If it's as fast AMG> as I'm hoping in DOS then it's mine!! =) This thing won't die! Not a gaming item.. sent several NetMails to some dreamers (NOT adequately topical!) but no one paid attention to the FACT that: Ki> ... no such thing as an Alpha version of MS-DOS .. Various processors can be used in PC-sized desktop systems from DEC's Alpha and IBM's/Motorola's PowerPC to the Sun Sparc, but none understand the microcode that Intel chips run on. When any software emulation is interposed, it reduces the native efficiency of the processor by a major performance hit, typically on the order of absorbing 80% of the potential speed. AW> Anyway, it said that an Alpha could run everything in full detail AW> (not surprising). So Mercs must be able to run on an Alpha. The pricing of typical engineering work stations make them quite impractical for gaming. If there is some type of conversion type utility that modifies the code from Intel's native language to the code used by another processor, there are typically a ton of calls that have no translation -- a programmer who knows both types of assembly code has to choose a "best fit" substitution. It's not going to be a straight, unsupervised translation. For gaming purposes, a P5-200 is more than adequate for anything that any game-player might want, at a third or less of the cost! - - - - - - - - - - - - - -> Bill <- - - - - - - - - - - - - ... Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat. --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: ST:TNG BBS, (210)674-2661 (USR Courier 33.6 V.34+) (1:387/601) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1I00005 Date: 01/13/97 From: AL PAGLIERI Time: 08:02pm \/To: JOHNNY BOWEN (Read 2 times) Subj: vt/goldfish -> I make veggie gel food for my gf. JB> What size are your gf. Mine are 2 inch vt gf. Is your recipe good for JB> small vail tail gf? My fish are about 2 to 3 inches, not including tails. I have two Orandas, one Ryukin and one Lionhead in a 90gal tank. This recipe is good for all fancy goldfish as their main diet. I also supliment with, Wardly Spirulina, Goldfish Pellets, Hikari Sinking Wafers, Blood Worms and Brine Shrimp. My gf get two meals a day, breakfast and diner. I try to make one the gel food veggie, and the other I pick fromone the the commercially prepared foods. Al. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Stargazer Astronomy On Line. 905.832.3962 (1:2424/454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1I00006 Date: 01/13/97 From: AL PAGLIERI Time: 08:07pm \/To: JOHNNY BOWEN (Read 2 times) Subj: vt/goldfish JB> I'm feeding a floating type of flake. How do you soak it before feeding, JB> could you explain that for me. Put some tank water in a cup and sprinkle the food in the cup. Let stand for several minutes, 5 or 10 and then add food and water to the tank. BTW: Floating food is not so good for fancy goldfish, as they may take in too much air as they eat and this may cause swimbladder problems. Also its a bad habbit for the gf, as when they get hungry they will go to the surface and look for food and gulp air instead. Its best to feed sinking foods. If you soak (and squeeze with a spoon) floating food long enough it will sink when put into the tank. Al. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Stargazer Astronomy On Line. 905.832.3962 (1:2424/454) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1J00000 Date: 01/13/97 From: ROBERT RICE Time: 07:58am \/To: GORD DOWLING (Read 2 times) Subj: chemistry Apparently personal observation is not "proof " either ....I know there are several importers who lurke here perhaps some one out there can drop some recent documentation into the how much die off from wild collectors question... --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 (1:366/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1J00001 Date: 01/13/97 From: ROBERT RICE Time: 08:00am \/To: YOU (Read 2 times) Subj: Trading Post... NATIVE FISH ONLINE TRADING POST ALWAYS CHANGING ALWAYS GROWING: Jan 97 EDITION....ALL TRADES SUBJECT TO STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS !!! For those people who want to hook up with other Native fishheads around the World........Anything Native Fish related is OK HERE........Plants, tanks,eggs ,fish , books !! Robert Rice- (904) 936-9261 e mail RobertRice@juno.com, Has Flagfin shiners, pygmy sunfish , redfin pickerel , many Southern species, will trade for darters , Blackbanded Sunfish what not....heading up a Florida regional meeting in the spring check for times and locations. Jwiegert@galaxynet.com- Wanted: Notropis Welaka (Bluenose Shiner), madtoms, sticklebacks, Ammocrypta darters, etheostoma blennioides, E. Longimanum, Have: --Or can get Sunfishes-- Longears and Pumpkinseeds males and females under 3", E. Olmstedi some others Ray Wolff- 1150 16th St. North 8A, Wisconsin Rapids Wisconsin 54494 (715)424-0259 has TONS of Northern Midwest species , including gar, shiners, sticklebacks , central mudminnows, darters etc...Wants many southern and unusuall species especially Ellasoma species...also has a limited supply of killie eggs of various species. Warren Lund 1916 Indiana Ave. Kenner La 70062-6223 (504) 461-8169, Have Heteranda Formosa, Poecillia latipinna, Gambusia affinus, Ethestoma swaini, Ellesoma zonatum, grindle worm , vinegar eel, hornwort, cabomba and java moss starters.Want Ellasoma species, Etheistoma blenoides, E. Spectabile, Ennecathus sunfish, others Peter Rollo--2308 Cedar Lane, Secane PA 19018- (610)-543-1660 Has for sale domestic raised Banded and Black banded Sunfish, Ellasoma Evergladi (Pygmy sunfish), Heteranda Formosa Jim Sternburg- 107 E Florida Ave. Urbana Ill. 61801-Has for trade only a great variety of Killies, Madtoms, Darters, Sunfish, Rainbowfish (non native) and midwestern shiners including Southern Redbelly Dace and many types of madtoms and darters. Bill Ballard- 6811 Moss Oaks Lane Elberta Al. 36530-Has many fresh and saltwater coastal species available. Including Bluespotted sunfish, flagfin shiners and a ton of Killies and pygmy sunfishes... Mike Whitfield- 7005 Antler Lane Harrisson Tennessee 323421 has a variety of snubnose darters and Tennessee shiners Garold Sneegas- Gsneegas@juno.com has Native fish photos available for commercial use...check for available species. Heads up the Kansas Region check with him for meeting times and locations. Elmer Guerri 8401 Lakewood Place., West Terre Haute Indiana 47802 heads up the regional chapter for Indiana and Illinois contact him for meeting information and contacts with those in the state. B.G. Granier Call (504) 775-6400 or e-mail me at bg@te6000.otc.lsu.edu : Has or can get F. Crysotus, L. Parva, F.Olivaceus, E. Zonatum, H. Formosa, F.grandis, A. Xenica and other species. Interested in trading for Redlip Shiners, Saffron Shiner, Greenhead Shiner, Pinewoods Shiner or other Shiners not native to Lousiana. Eric Hollis, 19 , Stapleton Avenue. Speke. Liverpool. L24 OSE England. Interested in meeting other UK keepers of North American Natives. Interested in exchanging fish eggs or fish when available and legal. Particularly interested in species suitable for pond rearing. Kris Haggblom, 21 Palmer Ave. Nanuet NY 10954, 914-623-7866 Want Fundulus Zebrinus, F.euryzonus, F. Julisia, Adinia xenica, Lucania goodie, any Ellasoma species Bruce Scott 520 E Lake Hazel Road, Merdin Id 83642 208-888-7143 Want: Notropis Lutrensis, Etheostama nigrum, Noturus leptacanthus, Heterada Formosa, any Ellasoma species, prarie crayfish (procambarus gracilis) Have dwarf crayfish ( Cambarellus shufeldtii) Laura Burdge, 1711 Cleveland Ave. Hamilton Ohio 45013 Wants: Lepomis Humilus, Chrosomus erthrogaster, Enneacanthus chaetedon, Cottus bairdi semiscaber, and Catostomus commersoni. Robert Carillo, 509 Genessee Ave. Warren Oh 44483 (303) 847-1714. Want: Sources for marine native coldwater species suitable for the aquarium. Heads up the Ohio region check with him for more details ! Herman Meeus, De Reet 6, B 2160 Wommelgem, Belgium. Want: Back issues of American Currents, Darters and Lateral Line for use in the Belgian Killifish Association's Killi Kontakt magazine. Also interested in articles on North American killifish and pupfish Peter Unmack (602)-965-1578 Organizing an Arizona-Nevada regional group.Things are at the early stages and collecting trips are sporadic but do occur. All are welcome to join this ASU Prof out to the ditches ! Andrew Borgia (305) 294-8739- WANTS: Interested in a great variety of North American Species for a private preserved collection. HAVES: A great variety of marine specimens and inverts for trade...Also has some key west herps for trade... Roger Hockney +44 (635) 578-679 , 4 Whitewalls Close, Compton, Newbury, Bershire England. WANTS TO BUY: frost tolerant North American Minnows, Killies, and eggs etc...email = Roger@minnow.demon.co.uk Please pass this list on to other forums, fish clubs and individuals. All ads will run for 3 months unless you otherwise request a standing order and Visit the NANFE (North American Native Fish Echo) on the fido net for more Native Fish stuff. If you'd like to add yourself or change your ad on this list please forward a note to robert rice at the above e-mail address.... --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 (1:366/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1J00002 Date: 01/13/97 From: ROBERT RICE Time: 08:01am \/To: ME (Read 2 times) Subj: Native fish stuff... "The Southern Redbelly Dace (phoxinus erythrogaster) as an Aquarium Species." Robert Rice 2213 Navarre Florida 32566 Many aquarist have finally realized the folly of the cycle of continual importation and exploitation of exotic fish. These aquarist have begun to seek practical alternatives to the current situation. Aquarist are joining Naturalist and many others and beginning to take a second look at the value of aquarium rearing and study of our native species. With this fundamental shift, natives have taken on a greater and more respected role within the Aquarium field. With that increased interest in natives, it is not surprising that we are rediscovering suitable aquarium species that were once forgotten. The Orange Spot Sunfish is established in Europe and is just beginning to creep into the American fish trade. Almost all of the Gar and Pickerel Family are alive and well in Asian Aquariums. While various Darters, Pygmy Sunfish and the odd Longear Sunfish appear occasionally in both European and American aquariums. Not surprisingly the shiner family has a diversity that lends itself very well to domestic life. Species such as the Blue Nose Shiner (Notropis Welaka) make fascinating species for the Aquarium but due to their limited population and delicate nature are only for the experts. However there are many Species out there who's range ,temperament and beauty make them an excellent aquarium fish. they will make you wonder why you ever keep Danio's and tetras. The Redbelly Dace in all it's forms is one of those species , Currently it is classified as Northern Redbelly Dace, Southern Redbelly Dace and last but certainly not least Mountain Redbelly Dace. I prefer the Mountain Redbelly for sheer beauty but I realize that for durability ,availability and beauty the Southern Redbelly Dace rules supreme. Here is how Bill Plieger in his classic book "The Fishes of Missouri" describes the Southern Redbelly Dace . Life Colors: Back olive-brown with scattered dark spots and a narrow dusky stripe along the midline. Side with two black lengthwise stripes, the upper narrower than the lower, separated by a broad, golden or yellowish stripe. Belly white. Breeding males are among the most beautiful of Missouri fishes. The pattern of light and dark markings is more intense at this time, the undersurface of the head and body are crimson red, the lower fins and undersurface of the caudal peduncle are lemon yellow. Small tubercles are scattered over the head , body and fins. For many aquarist interested in Natives acquiring suitable species is a concern. In the case of the Southern Redbelly dace that is not a problem. They occur in a broad range from Northern Illinois south past Tennessee and west to Kansas. Recent collecting Data indicates they are expanding their range. While in Missouri last year I took my brother in Law on his first "real " collecting trip and on a small creek in southern Missouri on our first pass through with a seine we pulled up a basketball size mass of foaming ,wriggling Redbelly Dace. Our bait license allowed us to keep three hundred each per day so we spent the next hour bagging and identifying then headed home .Offspring of that collecting trip occupy tanks in twelve states and three countries! As a matter of fact a NANFA friend while in Europe stopped in at a pet store and was surprised to see Southern Redbelly Dace proudly displayed for sale at a hefty price. The Southern Redbelly Dace is extremely hardy, taking a variety of Aquarium conditions in stride . It will take all forms of food with no apparent problems and is as easy to breed as any egg scatterer can be! What is perhaps most surprising to most aquarist is the day to day changes in a Redbelly Dace. As environmental fluctuations and feedings occur the Dace literally will change from a golden color to a blood red in the belly (as the name implies). It's fins will go from clear to lemon yellow as it begins to display to a potential mate. Its overall behavior is in my opinion one of the most fascinating of our Native shiners. I find the Redbelly Dace an excellent community tank fish. Their willingness to adapt to a variety of aquarium conditions makes them an excellent choice for the aquarist who is a novice to natives.Not terribly surprising given the lack of research data on North American Native Fish, Redbelly Dace are continual spawners if given the right conditions. I've found that at a water temperature of Seventy two degrees F, a strong current from a powerhead just a few inches from a pea size or larger gravel bed and an extended photo period and you are almost set for spawning. I say almost for a couple of reasons. Of all the fish I have kept, I have never seen a fish with as quick a response time to food availability and visual stimulation. What I mean is this , if you keep the above set up and don't have success. Try this add lot's of quality food (Yep, Southern Redbelly Dace are chow hounds!) and add a red colored fish of similar size and shape (I prefer neon tetras). That will most likely get `em going within twenty four hours. Foods I have found that work well include Crawfish tails (raw and cooked), oysters, bloodworms (frozen and live), earthworms and large quantities of mosquito larvae (live only). You will notice females will began to get a lumpy appearance and the other fish will begin "The Chase". I prefer spawning groups of larger than six fish, and in the wild have observed spawning aggregations in the hundreds! Again contrary to most data I find that BOTH males and females will color up, the males of course are more intense. After about thirty six to forty eight hours of this activity you will notice alot of considerably thinner fish! Now remove all fish from the tank turn off all filters and powerheads and in seven to ten days, if you have been successful, you will see free swimming young. I feed mine on powdered flake food and baby brine and they seem to do fine. In my experience it is not uncommon to bring one hundred young up to juvenile size out of a spawning aggregation of six adults. As you can see from the information here the Redbelly Dace is among my favorite Native fish. I am sure that you also have local species of fish that would make excellent aquarium species . Perhaps the Redbelly Dace is one of them.Take a look around and give it a try and let me know what you find! Until next time good luck and good fishing. The author is involved with NANFA (North American Native Fish Association) and speaks regularly about native fish. He can be reached at Robert_Rice@Oblique.org or 2213 Prytania Circle Navarre Fl. 32566 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Emerald Coast/2 (1:366/47) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1J00003 Date: 01/13/97 From: SCOTT MCGOWAN Time: 1:34 am \/To: HARRY SILVA (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Cichlids In a message dated 04 Jan 97 10:41:03, Harry Silva wrote: > Perhaps I'll put them in the 33 gal which has less fish. HS> That might be better. I have found with the Tanazinan (African) HS> Cichlids moving them with eggs usually causes them to Abort the HS> breeding attempt. In general it is best not to disturb any fish HS> while they are breeding. I suggest letting the fish carry to term then HS> moving the babies. If the ones you are keeping are at all simular to HS> the ones I have kept then the young will be fairly large when released HS> and should be easy to find and move at that point. Actually, I've got about 130 fry from them last year. The problems started when I transfered them to the 72 gal tank. I've just put them back into the 33 gal. Hopefully within the next few months, the get that "lovin' feeling again ! -- AEd V1.38/Eval --- DLG Pro v1.16g1/PDQMail v2.60 * Origin: [ X-FACTOR ] area#322 .aquarium. (1:134/281) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: E1J00004 Date: 01/13/97 From: GREG MOORE Time: 09:41pm \/To: WAYNE YANG (Read 2 times) Subj: New Fish => Thanks for the advice. I hate it when my fish die because the others => kill 'em. The pet stores will say anything to get you to buy their fis => => My gourami's aren't so bad. They seem pretty mellow most of the time => which is good since they're the biggest fish. Kinda keeps the small ones in line without beating on them. My barbs, however, are psychos. Another simple and often very effective cure is to move things around. My africans refuse to allow a new fish into the tank without killing it in a few days. I found that by relocating much of the tanks rocks etc forces them all to become "new" and on more equal ground. Works, isn't practical in all cases, but works if you can do it with your tanks arrangments.