--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00008 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:06am \/To: JAMES WAGNER (Read 2 times) Subj: PH Hi James, 13-Oct-96 09:35:44, James Wagner wrote to Adrian Worley Subject: PH JW> My chinese algea eaters never attacked themselves to my 4 inch moonlight JW> goramie when they were kept together in the same tank for several months. I'd never seen this behaviour, but I now have two eye witness accounts, both claimed the fish /had/ been fine but started to do this after maturity, maybe yours hasn't got there yet? JW> also, evidince seems to sugest that there are actually JW> two spcies of chinese algea eaters, so it may be that one has an odd JW> feeding habit that the other doesn't. The fish I was talking about is Gyrinocheilus aymonieri. All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00009 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:15am \/To: SAM MCDANIEL (Read 2 times) Subj: Chinese Algae Eaters. Hi Sam, 13-Oct-96 09:36:00, Sam McDaniel wrote to Adrian Worley Subject: Chinese Algae Eaters. SM> Over the years I have had angels/discus and this fish togather. SM> I have seen this behavour twice. Once with a large angel, SM> the other with a large discus. SM> Neither attack or attachment lasted more than a few seconds. SM> Both attachments were located on the side of the larger fish. SM> Both Algae eaters were in the range of 4-6 inches in length. SM> ie: full grown adults. SM> Tank temperature was around 78 degrees f. SM> pH range around 7.0 to 7.5 SM> Neither angel or discus incurred any serious damage. SM> If I recall right, both attacks occured during the winter SM> months. Also there were several other members of the algae SM> eater species present in the tank during the occurances. SM> Since the attack durations were not of any great length, SM> since other members of the species were present, and since SM> it is generally considered a fairly docile species, perhaps SM> these occurances are isolated territorial mating/agression displays? SM> There is insufficent data to form a cogent hypothesis, but SM> if water temp, water conditions were just right it might be SM> a pliable explanation. Possibly, although the temperature seems a little high, considering the natural haunt. What I was trying to ascertain was if /anyone/ had seen this behaviour and if so, with what result. Yours is the third eye-witness account I've received, the other two both described physical damage to the subjected specimen. What concerned me, and why I asked the question, was the stories which were flying around. I'm sure you'll agree, that a simple observation, when told to someone else, who tells someone else etc.... after a few circuits, an inoffensive fish suddenly has acquired a quite unjustifiable reputation as a vampire! I don't actually keep this fish any more, there are far better algae control species around, I tend to favour Otocinclus species myself, most Plec's get a bit to big for my liking. SM> I doubt that the algae eater killed his angel, unless the SM> angel was quite small, they can defend themselves quite SM> easily. They are quite quick when they want to be. Sure, I doubt it to, it was when he mentioned the CAE chasing the angel around that the stories drifted into mind. All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00010 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:28am \/To: CHRIS PHILLIPS (Read 2 times) Subj: Angle/Angel Hi Chris, 13-Oct-96 10:36:00, Chris Phillips wrote to Adrian Worley Subject: Angle/Angel CP> AW>Incidently, we, (sorry! - in England!), spell it Angel, you CP> AW>seem to spell it Angle, hey-ho... vive la differance.... CP> We spell it Angel over here (USA) too. Sometimes, in the frenzy of CP> piscine euphoria, the quivering digits on the keyboard do a dance CP> of their own! My comment was made having seen a good few messages with the 'angle' spelling, I just wondered. CP> PS Here we spell it 'difference' We spell it like that too, I was typing with a French accent! All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00011 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:32am \/To: SHAWN VANDERBURGT (Read 2 times) Subj: Breeding Zebra Danios Hi Shawn, 16-Oct-96 19:48:00, Shawn Vanderburgt wrote to All Subject: Breeding Zebra Danios SV> I was trying to breed a pair of Zebra Dannios that I had. I put SV> marbles down on the bottom, to protect the eggs and waited. Well I SV> eventually noticed that there were tiny little white things swimming SV> around on the surface of the water. They were very very small. I bought SV> some liquid food to feed them and have been feeding them that for about SV> 1 month. The thing is, they haven't grown at all. Now I'm not sure if SV> they are actually baby fish or not. How fast do Zebra Dannio frye grow? SV> Any help here would be appreciated, thanks. A well fed batch of Zebra fry should reach about 1" in 8 weeks. Zebras are /really/ prolific, as long as you've got a real pair, spawning is almost inevitable. All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00012 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:36am \/To: REESE D'ORRYCOTT (Read 2 times) Subj: PH Hi Reese, 17-Oct-96 05:54:00, Reese D'orrycott wrote to Adrian Worley Subject: PH RD> Both my wife & I, and my Mother have experenced problems with this RD> fish. When the avaliable food is insuffecent it will attack other RD> fish. I have seen blisters appear on fish from such attacks. RD> RD> It appears to be a size related problem, as the fish grows too RD> large for the tank, it becomes very agressive. Thanks for your input. Yours is the fourth eye witness account, and the third which suggested damage resulted from the behaviour. All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00013 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:41am \/To: JAMES MCGRAIL (Read 2 times) Subj: anemone Hi James, 17-Oct-96 13:24:00, James Mcgrail wrote to Bo Lau Subject: anemone JM> like water dogs What is a 'water dog'? All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00014 Date: 10/21/96 From: ADRIAN WORLEY Time: 10:43am \/To: JAMES MCGRAIL (Read 2 times) Subj: PH Hi James, 17-Oct-96 13:53:00, James Mcgrail wrote to Adrian Worley Subject: PH JM> I just pointed out the altums, in case someone does get some, just to JM> let them know that they do require different conditions. Perhaps they are from some of the backwaters of the Rio Negro, the pH in there can drop a bit because the water is sluggish and has time to acidify. As I said, my info on them is a bit sketchy. JM> All I know about them, is that they came from South America and are JM> imported to the US on occasion. The only pictures, I have of them, show JM> them looking like the common scalare, silver with the black stripes. My understanding is that they tend to be shorter, ie. snout to caudal, but similar dorsal tip to anal tip, giving them a rather vertically elongated look. JM> The only book, I have, that shows them, is the Dr. Axelrod's Mini-Atlas JM> of Freshwater Aquarium Fishes Mini-Edition dated 1995. This book is JM> distributed in England by T.F.H. Publications. Yes, I was given one. Axelrod is a very prolific author and has done a lot to promote the hobby, however, some of his claims do tend to be rather suspicious. He is fond of describing new species citing some minute difference from a known species. I tend to be a bit of a lumper, ie. treating these 'species' as regional/local variations of a single species. I have, for a number of years, been trying to sort out Barbus gelius. The 'splitters' have had a go at it and we now seem to have 5 species. I have specimens of four of these, all inter-breed, and produce viable offspring with some intermediate characteristics. Being a 'lumper' I am happier talking about THE species, gelius. All the best, Adrian... --- Terminate 3.00 * Origin: Adrian's point. (2:252/820.9) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00015 Date: 10/22/96 From: DAVE PHILLIPS Time: 09:33pm \/To: CALVIN LITTLEFIELD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Breeding Guppies *** Quoting Calvin Littlefield from a message to Dave Phillips *** CL> The ideal birthing tank for most people is a 1 gallon fishbowl with CL> lots of plants in the bottom, tho I have been tempted to try marbles CL> like you use with some egg layers. I have noticed that when guppies CL> are born in the community tank they usually just sink down and sit Thanks for the excellent info, Calvin! :> My male guppy died a short time ago, and it seems that my female may not have ever been pregnant like I hoped, so I'm going to get two males and another female, I think, and hopefully some combination there will make more guppies for me. :> CL> weeks, since they are still smaller that a fully grown sea monkey CL> (Remember those? They were really brine shrimp) and don't move very Sea monkeys... rings a bell. A looong time ago, methinks. What were they all about? Red Wizard --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Red Wizard's Castle - Toronto, Canada 416-778-4253 (1:250/205) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DES00016 Date: 10/22/96 From: DAVE PHILLIPS Time: 09:46pm \/To: CHRIS AMENT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Books... *** Quoting Chris Ament from a message to Paul Munoz *** PM> I also have 1 & 2, what's the price on the 3rd PM> volume? CA> Retail is usually around $50. I believe my wholesale cost is CA> just over $20. Please post me complete information about these books, including ISBN, etc? I haven't seen them anywhere around here (Toronto), including bookstores and libraries. I've been looking for some very detailed books, including pictures for sexing, etc... can you tell me a bit about this series? Red Wizard --- Telegard v3.02/mL * Origin: Red Wizard's Castle - Toronto, Canada 416-778-4253 (1:250/205) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DET00000 Date: 10/21/96 From: JEFF WRIGHT Time: 03:32pm \/To: JAMES MCGRAIL (Read 2 times) Subj: Altum Angels Greetings, James... While at gunpoint, James Mcgrail hastily said to Adrian Worley: AW>> familiar with the environment where they live. Do you have AW>> specific locational details of where 'altum' comes from? My AW>> sources are 'a bit vague'! I ask because I'm in South America AW>> December-June and I'd be interested to research this a bit. JM> All I know about them, is that they came from South America and are JM> imported to the US on occasion. The only pictures, I have of them, show JM> them looking like the common scalare, silver with the black stripes. I read in TFH that a large group of young Pterophyllum altum were collected in the middle Orinoco River, in Columbia. They seemed similar in coloration to the common scalare in the photos, but possessed extremely high bodies and a saddle-shaped snout. The fish mentioned in the article grew to about 6 inches in total length, and measured 14.4 inches from the top of the dorsal fin to the botton of the anal fin. The author, Hiroshi Azuma, mentioned losses due to a disease he referred to as "toraburu", and I have seen mention elsewhere of high mortality rates among newly-imported angels. -- Jeff --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: Merlin's Tower - Surrey, BC (1:153/944)