--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00000 Date: 06/24/96 From: SAM MCDANIEL Time: 08:48pm \/To: ALLAN TOMKINSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Salt tank > Someone might correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I > think that the bacteria that form in freshwater can > not tollerate the salinaty level of salt water... > This has always made me curious tho, since you can buy > the same products such as "Cycle" and "Bacter Plus" > for saltwater and freshwater... Anyone care to > explain this??? Salt has been used since the beginning of time as a perserative. It is proven to retard the growth of bacteria. However the consentration of salt must be much greater than the salt content in sea water. Try the great salt lakes consentration levels and you probally have something, but only brine shrimp...:) best I can do... btw Thanks... but no thanks on the nomination... Sam --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: Data Resource Independence, Missouri 816-254-8146 14,400 (1:280/112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00001 Date: 06/26/96 From: JOHN O'BECK Time: 08:06am \/To: RHONDA JORDAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Saltwater tanks RJ>I am new to this thread but not new to the hobby.... Hi Rhonda, There seems to be allot of controversy on this echo as to filtration systems. I see from your post that you are a subscriber to the Berlin system. I myself still tent to use a W/D trickle filter in combination with a counter-current protein skimmer. Please respond to the following: Many people say "don't use a wet/dry, they are nitrate producers" My response is "fine, I would rather have nitrate than ammonia". I use a healthy supply of live rock and also the skimmer. I do, however, have measurable levels of nitrate. From my understanding of the Berlin system (which is limited), it uses only live rock and skimmers. Why then should the W/D make a difference? It would seen to me that IMMEDIATE conversion to Ammonia/nitrite to nitrate should be beneficial and let the live rock/ skimmer handle the nitrate. BTW, I do use ozone in the skimmer. Any thoughts? J. T. O'Beck * CMPQwk 1.42 9687 The truth is more important than the facts. --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2h * Origin: The Diplomat BBS : 971-2-659913 (5:7411/1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00002 Date: 06/23/96 From: JAN GROENVELD Time: 12:00pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Can you tell me??? I have among my collection a pair of huge black mollie goldfish. For the last few weeks I have been treateng them for what I though was a fungal infection .... usual stuff first then sulpha then penicillan. The white on their lateral fins did seem to want to go away and I was despairing .... then I got them, one at a time in the net and examined it more closely. What I though was fungus was in fact quite hard like a calcium deposit - anyway it didn't want to rub off like fungus usually does. Have any of you ever heard of this .... the local aquarium store is at a loss ...... ............... second question..... Have any of you had success breeding tetra's .... is there any no-fail way to breed tetras? I have about 5 varieties of the tetra family and am thinking of increasing the population if I can. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X If you can laugh with it you can live with it. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Galaxy GateWay! - Brisbane Valley, Qld, Aust. (3:640/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00003 Date: 06/23/96 From: JAN GROENVELD Time: 12:14pm \/To: KIRK L. BENNETT (Read 3 times) Subj: Too Hot KLB> When you say "expensive" just how expeNsive are we talking? KLB>Can you tell me the names(s) of one or two manufacturers or KLB>suppliers of these coolers? Nobody here in Montreal seems to KLB>be able to get them. I can't believe you get that hot in Montreal Kirk!?! Over here in Brisbane Australia is about the same as Georgia in climate and our temperatures get to 100 degrees plus in summer during the day. The don't even sell coolers here ..... !!! What I do is have a freezer full of those small ice cubes and as soon as the thermometer gets near the top of the danger zone I start putting a tray full of ice cubes in the water every 1/2 to 1 hour or so depending on the need .... I take water out of the tank to refil each cube tray which means I don't have to worry about contaminants .... If the temperature gets too warm I may put more than one tray in or add them more often ..... When I do it this way I don't have any problems with the fish .... they seem to cope with it quite well and I have often seen them deliberately come up to the cooler waters. Once when the temps stayed above 85 degrees here for a few days (night and day) I did have to take more action and I got some larger blocks of ice and packed them around three sides of the tanks during the night ... and used the ice cubes during the day..... Most days I can control the whole situation with the ice cubes .... (ps ... I do turn the heaters of during the summer and I also turn of any lighting that produces heat..... ___ X SLMR 2.1a X We must travel the same road as our guide. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Galaxy GateWay! - Brisbane Valley, Qld, Aust. (3:640/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00004 Date: 06/25/96 From: BO LAU Time: 12:23am \/To: ALLAN TOMKINSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Salt tank * In a message originally to CHRISTINE LABONT, ALLAN TOMKINSON said: > > > >I have a 23g, completely cycled, which I want to convert to salt. I am > >using a Bio-Wheel 160 for filtration, which will be the same one as on > the > >salt tank, plus I will add a protein skimmer. Now, since this tank is > >cycled, can I just add the salt to the existing water, and have an > >instantly cycled tank? Or should I start with new water? Since I am > using > >the same filter that is on there, and it is fully colonized, should that > >speed up cycling? > Someone might correct me on this if I'm wrong, but I think > that the bacteria that form in freshwater can not tollerate > the salinaty level of salt water... This has always made me > curious tho, since you can buy the same products such as > "Cycle" and "Bacter Plus" for saltwater and freshwater... > Anyone care to explain this??? Well, the bacteria starters that I've seen have different labels for fresh and saltwater. I don't think that the bacteria will survive being suddenly thrusted into a saline environment. I've been told that if the transition were to be made slowly say slowly increasing the salinity over a course of three weeks then it is possible. But then again I could be wrong :) -bo s --- * Origin: The Aquarium BBS - Fishies Unite! (1:203/112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00005 Date: 06/25/96 From: BO LAU Time: 12:25am \/To: RHONDA JORDAN (Read 3 times) Subj: fish for cycling new salt * In a message originally to John K. Stanley, Jr., Rhonda Jordan said: > Depending on where you live, you can cycle a saltwater tank > with > saltwater live bait such as bull minnows! You can also use > bait fish > from the gulf. They are not the prettiest things to look at > but they > are effective and if you catch them yourself, they are the > right price! > FREE! (not much in this hobby is FREE!) That's a far cry better than spending $2-3 dollars per damsel!!! How come I never thought of that???(dumbfounded) -bo --- * Origin: The Aquarium BBS - Fishies Unite! (1:203/112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAV00006 Date: 06/25/96 From: BO LAU Time: 12:29am \/To: RHONDA JORDAN (Read 3 times) Subj: Saltwater tanks > I am > recovering from major surgery at the moment, I am not doing > much other > than watch my tanks. I currently have abou 500 gallons worth > of systems > I plan on trying the set-up described in the past issue of > FAMA for the > HANDY REEF. I'll let you know of it's success! I truly wish you a rapid healing! :) I too read the article on the HANDY REEF and have decided to give it a try. I'll be using my 100gal tank. Do you by any chance know how much 200# of crushed aragonite is going to cost me? I've already built the framework for the plenum. Now, I just have the substrate to tackle. -bo --- * Origin: The Aquarium BBS - Fishies Unite! (1:203/112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAW00000 Date: 06/25/96 From: CHRISTINE LABONT Time: 08:19am \/To: JOHN K. STANLEY, JR. (Read 3 times) Subj: fish for cycling new salt tank Once upon a time, in a land far, far away John K. Stanley, Jr. told All: JKSJ> What's everyone's recommendation for a hardy fish to cycle a JKSJ> new mini (10gal) saltwater tank. Also how many fish? After JKSJ> cycling I wiil probably add up to 15lbs live rock, a few JKSJ> small fish, and maybe some open brain coral. Any advice? JKSJ> I'm using a UGF with a power head, a marineland penguin 110 JKSJ> bio wheel and a concurrent flow protein skimmer for JKSJ> filtration. Hello John, From the size of your tank, you will not be able to put a "few small fish" in it, only one at the most. Salt water fish are much less forgiving than freshwater, and stocking levels are much lower for a salt tank. Your set-up seems to be fine (if a bit on the overkill side! :) but if you are going to keep coral, you will need special lighting. As for a cycling fish, get a single damsel... You may even decide to keep it, as they come in so many different colours, and are quite an attractive fish IMHO, and cheap, to boot! :) Hope this helps... Chris --- timEd 1.01 * Origin: Traveller's Rest Point and Pet Factory (1:163/551.12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAW00001 Date: 06/25/96 From: MATTHEW JACOBSON Time: 07:36pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: BETA'S hello can any one out there offer some advice on keeping BETA'S any info will do thanks alot MAT:) --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 2 (06-04-96 17: * Origin: Horizon - Mississauga, ON (905)855-7934 (1:250/348) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 229 AQUARIUMS Ref: DAW00002 Date: 06/25/96 From: CHUCK POLLET Time: 12:42pm \/To: PETER MIKLACIC (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: fish room Sounds like fun. So what's the telnet address? --- CNet/3 * Origin: Excalibur BBS! - 970.351.7131 - Greeley, CO (1:315/17)