--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5W00001 Date: 05/25/96 From: CATHY HETTINGER Time: 11:37pm \/To: PAUL MICHAELSON (Read 2 times) Subj: CJD Blood Disease Paul, hello again. There isn't much on Medline about MS being a prion disease. I think the recent discovery of a number of viruses that remain latent has gotten researchers believing that viruses are more likely. Cathy. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Central Florida Psychology Forum BBS (1:363/52) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Y00000 Date: 05/24/96 From: BUCKY CARR Time: 05:20pm \/To: ROBERT KEITH (Read 2 times) Subj: HEALTH INSURANCE RK> There is no such a thing as a "free" lunch. Of course, it has to be RK> paid for through taxes. The US is the most undertaxed industrialized RK> nation in the world. So? RK> Take a look at Germany, for example. To imply RK> that the US HMOs are equivalent to the Canadian or German system is RK> just plain incorrect. They are not. They are profit driven and curtail RK> many types of health care for profits. Profit is definable. Neither the Canadian or German systems provide limitless care. The "profit" they realize by limiting the care of one may be used on the care for another or research or any of a myriad of other expenditures I can't begin to think of. The magnitude of the "profit" is immaterial - it falls under the same rediculous argument as to what is the proper "minimum wage"; if $5.00/hr is proper and just, then why not isn't $100/hour more proper and just? Is your complaint that someone in this country actually appears to make a "profit" on someone else's misery or misfortune (illness)? That actually occurs anywhere and anytime *anyone* is paid anything for providing healthcare services. Though you may express personal revulsion at anyone's unwillingness to voluntarily provide for another's healthcare needs, mandating by law that they involuntarily provide same doesn't moralize that service. Preaching that "we as a nation" owe some duty to the masses is a cry in the wild. What duty do *I* owe or do *you* owe outside of that borne of religious ferver? --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Vanishing Point 7198460140 Trinidad CO (1:15/7.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Y00001 Date: 05/24/96 From: BUCKY CARR Time: 05:35pm \/To: DICK HAFER (Read 2 times) Subj: Wegerner's Granular Myatosis DH> I'd love to see no other family ever to have to face this monster DH> again. It seems to me that immune system diseases are increasing DH> rapidly - or are getting a lot more publicity lately. When I finished school in '75, the common wisdom was to toss anything not otherwise pretty clear cut into the vaccuous wasteland of "autoimmune disorder". Seems that was pretty accurate wisdom from what we are seeing, eh? Unfortunately, most autoimmune disorders are incurable, per se. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Vanishing Point 7198460140 Trinidad CO (1:15/7.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Y00002 Date: 05/24/96 From: BUCKY CARR Time: 05:43pm \/To: LORI SMITH (Read 2 times) Subj: Neuro-muscular degeneration LS> I would like any information available on neuro-muscular degenerative LS> diseases. A ver dear friend is suffering from such a disease; from LS> what she has told me, her own immune system is eating away at the LS> myelin oating on her nerves, Sounds like you are describing a multiple sclerosis type of disease. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: Vanishing Point 7198460140 Trinidad CO (1:15/7.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Z00000 Date: 05/16/96 From: GABI FORD Time: 08:13pm \/To: DICK HAFER (Read 2 times) Subj: WEGENER'S GRANULAR MYATO DH>My wife is of the strong opinion that researchers should look into the DH>interaction of medications in making the disease progress more rapidly. Ever DH>time she got medicine for one of the individual symptoms, she got worse nd DH>more pain. So far we haven't been able to get a doctor to show much interest DH>our theory. Well, you mentioned that her liver and kidneys had shut down. I'm sure her kidneys had been inflamed for a long time, and the medications are broken down by the liver or kidneys. Sometimes the doctors walk a fine line when they feel they have no choice but to give a medication which they know could in itself do damage to the patient. DH>We'd love to be able to come up with a complete profile of her lifestyle and DH>also profile the lifestyles of other victims to see if by any chance there's DH>correlation in some way. I realize that this is pretty far out, but it seems DH>like a logical methodology to possible gain more info. Have you found any research pertaining to Wegener's? Causes...contributing factors... * SLMR 2.1 * Not Everybody Can Live Upstream --- * Origin: (1:152/28) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Z00001 Date: 05/17/96 From: GABI FORD Time: 07:43pm \/To: CLAYTON DAVIS (Read 2 times) Subj: PACEMAKERS CD>Monthly seems too often. Besides, it's gettin' expensive. Around $98, nd CD>Blue Monthly does seem too often. I am thinking every three months. ?? CD>only reimburses $28. Still waiting to hear from anyone with the Medtronic CD>7070. CD>Could you ask one of your patients with that kind? Sure. I will check with the office of one of our cardiologists on Monday. Why won't you call your doc's office? Are they not helpful? * SLMR 2.1 * Practice Random Acts of Kindness --- * Origin: (1:152/28) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5Z00002 Date: 05/18/96 From: GABI FORD Time: 06:09pm \/To: LEE WILKINSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Child's Wish! LW>Thank you Ann for the 209th reply about Craig. That sure must have LW>given a lot of folk with nothing better to do, something to do; namely LW>write me. Just yesterday our local newspaper ran the story about him LW>requesting cards for him. My wife called the newspaper and explained LW>the situation. Guess I don't feel to badly now about being duped since LW>a big metropolitan newspaper was also. Some of these BBSers need badly LW>to GET A LIFE! Since I am one of the people who wrote to you about this, I assume you are addressing me with your comments. I actually thought you'd appreciate knowing that the cause you were supporting was no longer a cause. But now I wonder if you would prefer to have been kept in the dark about this urban legend? * SLMR 2.1 * Santa Claus is drunk -- in the ski room. --- * Origin: (1:152/28) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: DA100000 Date: 05/30/96 From: ROBERT KEITH Time: 09:07am \/To: BUCKY CARR (Read 2 times) Subj: HEALTH INSURANCE -=> Quoting Bucky Carr to Robert Keith <=- RK> There is no such a thing as a "free" lunch. Of course, it has to be RK> paid for through taxes. The US is the most undertaxed industrialized RK> nation in the world. BC> So? RK> Take a look at Germany, for example. To imply RK> that the US HMOs are equivalent to the Canadian or German system is RK> just plain incorrect. They are not. They are profit driven and curtail RK> many types of health care for profits. BC> Profit is definable. Neither the Canadian or German systems provide BC> limitless care. The "profit" they realize by limiting the care of one BC> may be used on the care for another or research or any of a myriad of BC> other expenditures I can't begin to think of. The magnitude of the BC> "profit" is immaterial - it falls under the same rediculous argument BC> as to what is the proper "minimum wage"; if $5.00/hr is proper and BC> just, then why not isn't $100/hour more proper and just? A typical Republican/libertarian specious argument. The point I was trying to make is that it is fallacious to think that only government run systems such as the Canadian, German, or whatever, are the only ones that limit health care. HMO's in this country, at times, severely limit health care primarily because of the cost of the impending care. There are some things only a government can do. Health care is one of them. Now the Republicans are touting health care reform that looks surprisingly like the reform that Hillery Clinton's group came up with. The health care nonsystem in the US needs drastic reform, and IMO, a single payer system is the only war to go. Your statement, "The magnitude of the 'profit' is immaterial...." typifies the greed of some people. Tell me why do we have anti-trust laws? BC> Is your complaint that someone in this country actually appears to BC> make a "profit" on someone else's misery or misfortune (illness)? That BC> actually occurs anywhere and anytime *anyone* is paid anything for BC> providing health care services. No! My complaint is that "profit" many times is the driver instead of the needs of the patient. BC> Though you may express personal revulsion at anyone's unwillingness to BC> voluntarily provide for another's health care needs, mandating by law BC> that they involuntarily provide same doesn't moralize that service. Neither does turning health care over to the greed of insurance companies "moralize" the service. BC> Preaching that "we as a nation" owe some duty to the masses is a cry BC> in the wild. What duty do *I* owe or do *you* owe outside of that BC> borne of religious fervor? Just what in the hell has "religious fervor" have to do with providing health care? And preaching as you do, that "we as a nation" should not give a damn about our fellow citizens speaks volumes about your self-aggrandizement. ... Fantasy is my shelter from an insane world. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Tampa Bay Computer Society BBS (813) 733-8693 V.34/V.FC (1:3603/570) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: DA100001 Date: 05/31/96 From: ALLAN JOFFE Time: 01:57pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: some doctors I had a recent experience with a physician who seemed to believe in the old fable that he was a member of the old "I am God" line of reasoning. Taking it as long as I could, I politely told him that he was no different from a plumber, an electrician or a washer repair person in that he was available for hire to ply his services in behalf of the customer. Then I politely left. I suppose that Arrogance 101 is part of the medical school education but it leaves me cold. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: FIDONET * Remote Control BBS * (610)623-5273 (1:273/420.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: DA100002 Date: 05/30/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 10:15pm \/To: BUCKY CARR (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: HEALTH INSURANCE BC> RK> Take a look at Germany, for example. To imply BC> RK> that the US HMOs are equivalent to the Canadian or German system BC> is BC> RK> just plain incorrect. They are not. They are profit driven and BC> curtail BC> RK> many types of health care for profits. BC> BC> Profit is definable. Neither the Canadian or German systems provide BC> limitless care. The "profit" they realize by limiting the care of BC> one BC> may be used on the care for another "Health reform" advocates hope the American people actually can be deceived into thinking that there is such a thing as a free lunch. Canada has a _lot_ of rationing. Not only are there waiting lists, but if the list is long enough, some of those on it die out and never need the procedure they are waiting for! --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: NighthawkBBS, Burlington NC 910-228-7002 HST Dual (1:3644/6)