--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5L00000 Date: 05/16/96 From: DICK HAFER Time: 02:04pm \/To: GABI FORD (Read 4 times) Subj: WEGENER'S GRANULAR MYATO After several weeks of not being sure what Diane had (they tested her for Legionairre's Disease, AIDS, the new virus being spread by mice in the Southwest and others). They finally gave her an ANKA test, which showed positive. She was in such bad shape that they couldn't even get the test taken until she improved a little. After five weeks at a local hospital, they were able to stabilize her enough to get her to the Maryland University Medical Center, in Baltimore. She continued to have hemmorages in the lungs. Her kidneys and liver had shut down. Finally, the night before she died, she suffered a massive stroke. She was also suffering from a couple ofyeast infections that proved quite stubborn. The autopsy said basically that she had Wegner's and the infections...but that they couldn't find one single reason why she died. In fact, the doctor (a very kind doctor in the ER, who volunteered to attend the autopsy and then go over the results with me, in English) actually said that she "shouldn't have died". This doesn't make much sense to me. My wife is of the strong opinion that researchers should look into the interaction of medications in making the disease progress more rapidly. Every time she got medicine for one of the individual symptoms, she got worse and in more pain. So far we haven't been able to get a doctor to show much interest in our theory. Another possible, if far-fetched, question is, did she do anything different from other people that might have triggered this? Or did she have some aspect of her lifestyle that was identical to other victims? For example, she hated any kind of seafood. The rest of the family loves it. Is there something in seafood (iodine?) that acts as a barrier to WGM? We'd love to be able to come up with a complete profile of her lifestyle and also profile the lifestyles of other victims to see if by any chance there's a correlation in some way. I realize that this is pretty far out, but it seems like a logical methodology to possible gain more info. Any comments? Thanks for your interest. We appreciate your input. Dick --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: ShanErin (1:109/104) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5L00001 Date: 05/16/96 From: CLAYTON DAVIS Time: 10:12am \/To: GABI FORD (Read 2 times) Subj: PACEMAKERS GF>MSGID: 1:152/28 73cf7596 GF>TID: GE 1.2 GF>CD>I have a Medtronics 7070 pacemaker implanted. How often should I xpect to GF>CD>have it tested? I would also like to hear from anyone else wearing one. GF>I don't have a pacemaker - yet. :) But I am a nurse on a cardiac GF>unit, and we have many, many pacemaker patients. GF>You should have been given a booklet at the time of the procedure, GF>detailing the type of pacer you have and the kind of testing schedule GF>recommended. There are so many types of units pacing the heart in GF>different ways, it's hard to give a universal schedule. You should call GF>the doctor who implanted the pacer. His nurse can likely look up the GF>information for you. Monthly seems too often. Besides, it's gettin' expensive. Around $98, and Blue only reimburses $28. Still waiting to hear from anyone with the Medtronic 7070. Could you ask one of your patients with that kind? Thanks, --Clayton --- SLMR 2.1a clayton.davis@mbbs.com --- GEcho/2-PCB/2 * Origin: * MetroNet * Columbia, MD * (410) 720-5506 * (1:261/1137) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5L00002 Date: 05/14/96 From: DANIEL PRINCE Time: 06:54pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Rules GRAND_ROUNDS Echomail Conference Rules Daniel Prince, Moderator Stu Turk co-Moderator This conference runs under the following rules. If you do not agree to abide by these rules, you are requested not to post any messages in this conference, or, if you are a Sysop, to not allow Users of your BBS to post messages in this conference. If you or any of your Users post non-conforming messages in this conference you will be warned of the infraction. If it continues, you will be asked to drop the conference. If you do not drop the conference voluntarily, the system(s) uproute will be asked to disconnect your Echo feed. This method is not the preferred method. 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This is absolutely necessary due to the various gateways that are maintained to this conference. If you have any questions concerning these rules, please contact the moderators directly. Thank you, Daniel Prince, Fidonet 1:102/129 Stu Turk, Fidonet 1:129/26 --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.21 * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310-372-0987 (1:102/129) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5L00003 Date: 05/16/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 11:51pm \/To: GABI FORD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ALIENS & HEALTH GF> DR> Well, he did provide a copy of the article afterwards to back up GF> his GF> DR> facts, but his use of the racist term "wetback" showed his real GF> DR> motives. I know damn well the paper where he got the article GF> didn't use GF> DR> that word! GF> GF> They probably have a good reputation to uphold. :) The Greensboro (NC) paper is rather good, but most of its non-local coverage is wire feeds. Some of the regional stuff is staff-written. Local stuff tends to be staff-written. Reporters vary in quality, most quite good. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: NighthawkBBS, Burlington NC 910-228-7002 HST Dual (1:3644/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5M00000 Date: 05/16/96 From: LEE WILKINSON Time: 10:33am \/To: ANN MCGRATH (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Child's Wish! -> On 29 Apr 96, LEE WILKINSON wrote to ALL: -> -> LW> Follows is a email I recieved from a friend in California. I -> felt LW> it worth passing on for the enjoyment of this child. -> -> LW> Craig Shirgold is 7 years old and lives in -> -> Lee, I first saw this request about 10 years ago. Do you know how ol -> makes the poor kid now? He did survive, BTW. -> -> -- Ann McGrath -> -> --- GoldED 2.41+ -> * Origin: * StarBridge * Easton, Pennsylvania (1:2607/308) Thank you Ann for the 209th reply about Craig. That sure must have given a lot of folk with nothing better to do, something to do; namely write me. Just yesterday our local newspaper ran the story about him requesting cards for him. My wife called the newspaper and explained the situation. Guess I don't feel to badly now about being duped since a big metropolitan newspaper was also. Some of these BBSers need badly to GET A LIFE! 73, Lee --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2j * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5P00000 Date: 05/17/96 From: JEDWARD KENDRICK Time: 03:09pm \/To: STEW CLARKE (Read 1 times) Subj: Tinitis JK> Have you downloaded the tinnitus FAQ? Tinnitus has many possible -> No. I didn't know it existed, and now am not sure how to download it or -> even find it. I can send a copy of one of the tinnitus Frequently Answered Questions files if you would post an internet address. whole2th@sound.net (Dr. Ed Kendrick DDS) * 1st 2.00m #2774 * If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5P00001 Date: 05/16/96 From: A.J. HUBBS Time: 09:21pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: Contact Dermatitis I was wondering what the symptoms were for contact dermatitis??? --- GEcho 1.11+ * Origin: ----------(407)281-4721 AMERICAN XPRESS ---------- (1:363/325) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5P00002 Date: 05/17/96 From: ROBERT KEITH Time: 07:44am \/To: MATT SMITH (Read 1 times) Subj: HEALTH INSURANCE -=> Quoting Matt Smith to Robert Keith <=- RK> Now you're being foolish. Of course I haven't talked to all RK> Canadians. I RK> said that I have yet to meet a Canadian who would trade their system RK> for RK> ours. What investigative processes have you conducted to support your RK> position? You say "there are plenty who would choose....", and there RK> are RK> plenty in this country who would not trade...". How can you make RK> such an assertions without some data? There are millions in this RK> country RK> who would trade the system, or lack of system, that we have for RK> almost RK> anything else. What you are doing is parroting the hackneyed RK> propaganda RK> that the insurance industry and medical profession have been throwing RK> at us MS> When you, like me, are a _daily_ listener to the foreign MS> broadcasts of a country (Israel) with a health-alliance style MS> health-financing system, you will be more credible in your assertion MS> that such systems "work"...after you are aware of the Israeli system's MS> perennial strikes, patient-service cuts, and cost overruns!! This was started by my statement that I never met a Canadian who would trade his system for ours. Now you bring in Israel. Just what has that to do with the Canadian system? The point is that there are better systems in operation than the current USA one. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We only need adopt a system in use that provides health care to every one. And you must be an egotist to think that you are the only one that listens to or reads foreign news. ... A conclusion is where you got tired of thinking. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Tampa Bay Computer Society BBS (813) 733-8693 V.34/V.FC (1:3603/570) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5P00003 Date: 05/18/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 05:16pm \/To: ROBERT KEITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: HEALTH INSURANCE RK> MS> When you, like me, are a _daily_ listener to the foreign RK> MS> broadcasts of a country (Israel) with a health-alliance style RK> MS> health-financing system, you will be more credible in your RK> assertion RK> MS> that such systems "work"...after you are aware of the Israeli RK> system's RK> MS> perennial strikes, patient-service cuts, and cost overruns!! RK> RK> This was started by my statement that I never met a Canadian who RK> would RK> trade his system for ours. Now you bring in Israel. Just what has RK> that to RK> do with the Canadian system? Israel is just (another) example of how national health care does (not) work over the _long-term_. I could as easily have referred to how Canada virtually shuts down nonemergency hospital care toward the end of the fiscal year when it runs out of money, according to Canadian nurses...or its waiting-list problems that effectively ration care by keeping patients "on hold" until at least some of them die off or get frustrated with the wait and come south to get care here at their own expense. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: NighthawkBBS, Burlington NC 910-228-7002 HST Dual (1:3644/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 228 GRAND ROUNDS Ref: D5P00004 Date: 05/18/96 From: MATT SMITH Time: 06:13pm \/To: ROBERT KEITH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: HEALTH INSURANCE RK> This was started by my statement that I never met a Canadian who RK> would RK> trade his system for ours. Now you bring in Israel. Just what has RK> that to RK> do with the Canadian system? Canada's got a very high national debt per person, compared to the United States. Its finances for that welfare state are unsustainable over the long haul. A middle-class friend who's got joint citizenship tells me this. --- Simplex BBS (v1.07.00Beta [DOS]) * Origin: NighthawkBBS, Burlington NC 910-228-7002 HST Dual (1:3644/6)