--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5P00036 Date: 05/12/96 From: BARBARA HOWELL Time: 12:31am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: breeding hyacinths KJ>Bill Bennett, a man from Virginia who raises ONLY hyacinths (something KJ>like 38 pairs), spoke at our bird club once. He insists that in order to KJ>stay healthy, they need an incredibly high-fat diet. He orders Brazil I agree. The macaws definitely seem affected by the amount of nuts added to enrich their diet. We breed the unusual Red Bellied Macaw and Howard Voren taught us many things about keeping and breeding them. One thing is that they need to be fed in such a way that they are fat enough to survive the winter and thin enough to breed. According to Howard the palm fruit of the Buriti Palm,Mauritia Flexuosa, is very low in fat or has zero fat. He says the closest thing that he has found to this fruit is the true Spanish Yam which is very low in fat. Some pelleted diets have this low fat option but not all the birds will eat them. KJ>nuts by the TON, along with coconuts, and also palm nuts (not something The coconuts add a lot of fat to the diet. Wish I could get some palm nuts/fruit. KJ>the average bird owner can get at the local market). He claims that KJ>without the palm nuts, the birds' fertility rates go way down. (Granted, KJ>Bill is wealthy, and can afford to buy tons of food at a time...). But We go on a raid of farmers markets and grocery stores for nuts just after Christmas. KJ>it was an eye-opener for me, because I *had* originally planned to save KJ>up for one pair of Hyacinths. Nuts and coconuts cost a fortune up here. KJ>I didn't realize that a typical affordable fruit-veggie diet such as my KJ>conures prefer wouldn't be 'good enough' for a Hyacinth. I decided I'd KJ>just enjoy OTHER people's hyacinths after that... Every once in a while I get to yearning for a pair too, and besides the price, I sternly tell myself that I can't afford to feed them. I even once had someone ask me if I was interested in taking her pair on Breeder loan and I ACTUALLY said NO! Can you believe it???? * SLMR 2.1a * Washington D.C. America's work-free drug place. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: AVIAN INTERACTIVE EXCHANGE (717)755-0819 (1:270/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00000 Date: 05/19/96 From: ELIZABETH LAFFERTY Time: 09:20am \/To: FRAN WARWICK (Read 3 times) Subj: Blue and Gold Hello Fran! 14 May 96, Fran Warwick writes to Rick Frey: FW> Wellllll, I don't have a food throwing Blue and Gold...BUT, I do have a FW> food scooping, pick it up and throw it Lesser Sulfer Crested Cockatoo. s FW> she picks it up, or uses her beak like a hockey stick to shoot it out of FW> the cage, she will look me right in the face. Then the Grey, Suggie, ill FW> say..."Boomer, STOP! BOOMER!" Hummmm, wonder where he got that. Of FW> course Boomer learned the "Let's Play Food Hockey" from the Grey. But FW> Boomer could win every game. I have an Umbrella Cockatoo, Roxanne, who could pitch for the yankees! The cockatiel, Natalie, has learned to say "tsk, tsk, tsk", when I walk over to Roxanne's cage to sweep the "foul balls" up! I just keep a dustpan and broom next to the cage. FW> Oh, yes, there are days that I come in and really do not want to deal FW> with the mess...again. But, all Boomer wants is some attention. I am truly FW> grateful that she plays "Food Hockey" instead of "Watch Me Pull Out My FW> Feathers". I have found that when Roxy is really "warming up in the bull pen" she just wants some cuddling. She used to be a real mother-plucker :) but patience and a LOT of cuddles seem to have fixed that. So I too feel that if the worst thing she does is fling a few Pretty Bird Pellet fastballs my way, I'm doing well! FW> Just my two cents worth. Mine too! Long time no talk, Fran! Good to read ya! Peace, Elizabeth --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Shadows of Eternity (203) 596-1587 (1:141/1108) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00001 Date: 05/19/96 From: ANITA TRICHEL Time: 09:34pm \/To: RICK FREY (Read 3 times) Subj: Blue and Gold RF> I have a Blue and Gold named Peanut.I keep him in the house with us RF>since he loves attention.. Does anyone else have a BG they keep in the RF>house and if so does he/she literaly throw thier food out on the floor RF>I love all my birds but this one is so messy. I know that all birds wi RF>be messy i have 22 pairs of birds but for some reason he is extreamly RF>messy. we have to keep the vaccum real close by .. I love him alot RF>but am thinking of moving him out to the bird room. I was going to try RF>to get a seed skirt but already know that is not going to help. RF> RF>I would like to here from someone that does and tell me what i can do RF>stop this.. i do not want to move him out to the bird room since him a RF>the kids play so well together.. but the mess is getting the wife all RF>worked up .. RF> RF>--- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 RF> * Origin: *Weird Science,BBS!,Decatur,AL (205)351-9896* (1:3607/7.0) RF> Hi Rick, I haven't ever had a conversation with you so I'll introduce myself and then give you the solution that I have for the same problem. I am a veterinarian, not avian but monkey. I work at a primate center in Louisiana. I own a Blue and Gold Macaw, Moluccan, African Grey, and breed Pacific Parrotlets. My husband and I are sold on acrylic cages. That is how we solved the problem. On top of the constant cleaning and sweeping we have a dachsund named Emily (we should have named her Hoover!!) that eats anything she comes across and needless to say without being too graphic - she was yacking up bird food on a daily basis. All of our birds are in acrylic cages, even our breeding pairs. We are happy and so are they. They get plenty of air (this is a common criticism of these cages) through air holes in the top of the cages. The macaw cage is 3' x 3' x 4' and sits on a wooden base. Danny and Pat Chauvin of Chauvin's Custom Cages makes these cages. You would have to talk to him about cost and shipping, etc. His add has been placed in previous issues of Bird Talk and he is well known in my area. His address and phone number: Daniel & Pat Chauvin 1409 Bayou Blue Road Houma, LA 70364 (504) 876-7966 Good Luck! Anita --- WinQwk 2.0b#0 Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: AVIAN INTERACTIVE EXCHANGE (717)755-0819 (1:270/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00002 Date: 05/20/96 From: BARBARA HOWELL Time: 02:06am \/To: PETE HOPPING (Read 3 times) Subj: virus PH> -> hour away from Reston, VA and only about 20 minutes "as the virus PH> -> flies," PH> JT> Did you get any notification about the danger while the situation was PH> JT> going on, or did you find out after it was contained? I always onder PH> JT> if the public would actually be notified so we could protect urselves PH> JT> from something horrible like that. If the virus had been PH> JT> transmissible to humans, that situation could have been really agic. PH>Nope. The whole thing was hushed-up. A couple of TV stations TRIED to PH>get the story, but they couldn't get their fingers around anything. PH>It was not until the book came out that I found out all the details. PH>It was a very close call for humankind... JUST what I figured!!!! * SLMR 2.1a * Washington D.C. America's work-free drug place. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: AVIAN INTERACTIVE EXCHANGE (717)755-0819 (1:270/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00003 Date: 05/20/96 From: BARBARA HOWELL Time: 02:06am \/To: DANIEL DELGADO (Read 3 times) Subj: Quakers DD>Here in miami they sell at around $150 per pair. If you are further i agree, and have occasionally seen them as low as $100/pr and as much as $200/pr but $150 is a good reasonable price. You would save if buying several pairs at a time. Shipping should be as low as $64 and you can ship several pair at once for one price. We just tape the carriers together. * SLMR 2.1a * Washington D.C. America's work-free drug place. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: AVIAN INTERACTIVE EXCHANGE (717)755-0819 (1:270/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00004 Date: 05/20/96 From: BARBARA HOWELL Time: 02:06am \/To: DANIEL DELGADO (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: snail mail Hi Daniel, We got your letter today. This might be a good idea. We'll tak about it. I gotta go down south Wed & Thurs but I think I am only going as far as Vero. I would like to be back in town by Thurs night for my dance class. I think we'll head out on Wed and spend the night and then deliver the birds on Thurs a.m. and then head back. We might miss one another this trip due to time limits. BTW, sometimes I get good deals on parrotlets from a friend that's a dealer. Nothing fancy, just pacifics or sometimes green rumps. But they're what ells. Anyway, we'll talk. It might be after the weekend though. I'll have to play catch-up after taking off for 24 hours or so. BTW, did I send a list of what all I have? TTYL, Barbara (& Ed) ... This is a Ferengi tagline. Pay before you read it. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: AVIAN INTERACTIVE EXCHANGE (717)755-0819 (1:270/631) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00005 Date: 05/18/96 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:24am \/To: RICK FREY (Read 3 times) Subj: Blue and Gold Rick, RF> Do you give your Birds sunflower seeds? Yes. I have not ever used a pelleted diet and might not ever. (Never, say never.) However, for the past 13 years I have sprouted my seeds. This reduces the fat and adds enzymes to their diet. RF> What is your opinion on this? Oh, no, you asked for my opinion. If you use seed it should only be a portion of your diet. The rest should be raw fruits and veggies, cooked beans, etc., ect. It is the overuse of seeds that is detrimental to the health of your bird. If you chose to use sunflower seeds, then sprout them so that they will become a surperb source of vit/min. Hope that this answers you question. Fran ... --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas - Elgin, Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00006 Date: 05/18/96 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:41am \/To: RICK FREY (Read 3 times) Subj: Quakers Rick RF> PLEASE DO!!! i would really be interested in them. If you could ask RF> around and find out about how much shipping would be i would like that. RF> Keep me Posted if you would.. do you breed Quakers? or have any? If you are interested in Quakers I can send you the name of a broker in Texas that has hundreds. Fran ... --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas - Elgin, Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00007 Date: 05/18/96 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:43am \/To: FRAN WARWICK (Read 3 times) Subj: Blue and Gold FW> Rick, RF> Do you give your Birds sunflower seeds? FW> Yes. I have not ever used a pelleted diet and might not ever. (Never, FW> say never.) However, for the past 13 years I have sprouted my seeds. FW> This reduces the fat and adds enzymes to their diet. RF> What is your opinion on this? FW> Oh, no, you asked for my opinion. FW> If you use seed it should only be a portion of your diet. The rest hould FW> be raw fruits and veggies, cooked beans, etc., ect. It is the overuse of FW> seeds that is detrimental to the health of your bird. If you chose to se FW> sunflower seeds, then sprout them so that they will become a surperb FW> source of vit/min. FW> Hope that this answers you question. FW> Fran --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas - Elgin, Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: D5Q00008 Date: 05/18/96 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:43am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: chicks Kathy, Congradulations on the new babies!!! By the way, I am going to pull the Great Bill chick/chicks this afternoon. Fran --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas - Elgin, Texas (1:382/92.5)