--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00017 Date: 08/25/95 From: POLLY GOLDMAN Time: 07:04am \/To: FRAN WARWICK (Read 2 times) Subj: mutations FW> one day the green budgie will be considered a mutation? FW> MH> Why does mutation sound like something with two heads? MH> FW> Actually it does....a two headed coin. Take for example the yellow FW> Alexandrine... a normal Alexandrine bred to a yellow Ringneck, then FW> bred back to a Alexandrine. This is called a mutation. I call it a FW> hybrid...at the least. Who the heck calls this abomination a mutation? A proper mutation is a genetic freak. Once it occurs, the single bird is developed into a strain by intensive inbreeding to stabilize the mutation. As we all know, new color mutations usually demand a premium price. Sounds as if someone was eager for big bucks and decided to fake up a yellow alexandrine. --- MacWoof 1.5.3 * Origin: Point of Enlightenment (1:109/615.2@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00018 Date: 08/26/95 From: THOMAS KOWALCHUK Time: 09:20am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Dr. ritchie No, you never sent me a reply. At least I never received one. Thanks --- InterEcho 1.11 * Origin: The Mohave Desert BBS, Victoria BC, Canada (1:340/60) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00019 Date: 08/26/95 From: KATHY JOHNSON Time: 09:37am \/To: BOBBI BRINKER (Read 2 times) Subj: POLYOMA KJ>Worst case outcome of this is if they become carriers; best KJ>case scenario, they just fight it off and become immune. But they CAN KJ>infected as adults. >I didn't know birds could become immune. That's how they found out a vaccine would work--by birds developing immune system responses to the virus and NOT becoming infected when exposed again later. >So they either die (if babies), become carriers or become immune - is >that right? That's a bit of a silver lining. Do you know which is most >likely - carrier status or immune? No, I don't know that part. I suspect MOST babies die. I know that at this point, we are still considering our survivor babies to be carriers, even tho we have not re-tested them since placing them in homes. Since the virus is shed randomly, it's tough to tell if an exposed bird is a carrier or not without tons of testing. That's why it will be SO important to have the vaccine--once all birds are vaccinated, then who cares if a bird is shedding? The vaccinated ones will all be protected. That's also why isolating brand new babies carefully until they are old enough to vaccinate is going to be tremendously important. Until the immune system kicks in and allows for vaccinating, new babies will still be at risk. --Kathy * SLMR 2.1a * --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Bird Info Network (303-423-9775) (1:104/234) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00020 Date: 08/26/95 From: KATHY JOHNSON Time: 10:00am \/To: BOBBI BRINKER (Read 2 times) Subj: CACTUS PEAR FRUIT KJ>Has anyone out here ever fed their birds cactus pears? >My birds LOVE cactus pears! Between the pomegrantes and the >cactus pears, all the walls nearest the breeders are VERY RED! I feel better knowing that someone else feed them to their birds too. I'm always concerned when trying strange new foods that there's something toxic I don't know about them... As for red walls, I STILL have pomegranate on the paint downstairs from FOUR years ago. The walls were newly painted when we put the birds in there, and the paint "grabbed" the stains. Nothing will take it out now. I figure I'll just wait until we move (whenever we finally decide to...), and paint over it after the birds are out. KJ>These things are obviously not grown in Michigan >They are grown in Puerto Rico. BTW - 4 for $1 is an excellent >price. Do they freeze well? I should go get some more while they have a good supply. >I have NO idea how they rate in vitamins (presumably Vit C >is in generous supply). I almost think that the dark colored >flesh of both the pears and pomegrantes might indicate a >goodly supply of Vitamin A. In any case, the guys get grapes >for the fun of it - why not pomegrantes and cactus pears? That's right! Everybody needs a "fun food" or two! (I'm still curious as to how they stack up nutritionally, though...guess a trip to the bookstore is in order! Aw darn....) --Kathy * SLMR 2.1a * --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Bird Info Network (303-423-9775) (1:104/234) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00021 Date: 08/25/95 From: TAMI UNDERWOOD Time: 10:05pm \/To: BARBARA HOWELL (Read 2 times) Subj: POLYOMA Barbara, I did not lose any babies to Polyoma. I was merely posting info I had heard. The reason the budgies were mentioned is because this all happened in Michigan, and a couple of months back a man with an infected budgie flock gave away all his birds, and some ended up in the wrong hands and were being sold as healthy birds. I was merely letting Kathy, (who lives in Michigan) know to be very very careful. Although I know you are Kathy. :) Tami --- * UniQWK v3.0 * The Windows Mail Reader --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Bird Info Network (303-423-9775) (1:104/234) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00022 Date: 08/26/95 From: TOM WEISS Time: 05:24pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Pds & baby sales On 08-2495, KATHY JOHNSON wrote to TOM WEISS: KJ> TW> AW RIGHT!! High-Five Kathy! KJ> KJ> I'm not quite sure why the high-five, Tom. Don't be misled--I'm KJ> STILL concerned about this, and it certainly has done nothing to KJ> make ME less paranoid about my own birds here at home. I am taking KJ> what I feel is a calculated risk with this baby's life--if it comes KJ> back to bite me later, and the baby becomes ill, I'll be MUCH worse KJ> than I am now! Concerned?, sure I understand. "High-five" since I think you made a logical, good decision ... tho I wonder why you are having her (sorry I didn't quote your cleaning procedures for the disease carrying suspected guest) even over? If I were you and as concerned about introducing something into your aviary, why not pick a neutral viewing spot and not allow her to contact the bird, you or it's container. Then at sales time, allow her contact bird only never to return. === * Freddie 1.2.5 * ... Polygamy: The smell of an unwashed parrot. --- DB B2300sl/002493 * Origin: Wolverine (1:239/1004) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00023 Date: 08/25/95 From: PAUL CASEY Time: 08:12pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ELIST EXPIRED >Thanks for your concern. I did get it updated. I had some problems with >the update for some reason, but it FINALLY got properly updated, so >Parrots will live on. The next echolist should show that it was Great ! Since we Moderators got a new elist cordinator, things got a little confusing and some updates wern't replied to us in the normal way, that the former cordinator did. Adrian is in the process of making his software automatic like we had before, with the notify-receipt. I understand this will take a few months yet, in his reply to a netmail message I sent him. Regards, Paul --- SLMAIL v4.5a (#0384) * Origin: Paul's Waka Waka BBS [206] 783-7979 Seattle, Wa. (1:343/117) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00024 Date: 08/25/95 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 07:48pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: predators KATHY, KJ> Why don't you kill the water meter resident? I simply don't understand KJ> this one, Fran. It's dangerous, it lives someplace you have to go Funniest thing, I don't understand why I haven't killed it either. --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00025 Date: 08/25/95 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:08pm \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 2 times) Subj: Birdie bread Patti, PJ> Thanks for the recipes, I'll have to try them out. I ran across PJ> Spirolina at the bird show at L.A. Country Fair Grounds several years PJ> maintain PJ> their colors.....sounded to me that it was a fairly good product, and They have it out for all creatures, great and small. I use it, I give it to the dogs and the birds. Since the vit. A tends to lose its value when light or heat get to it I can't count on the birdie bread having much A value. The birdie bread I give mainly for the protien value. Summers here are so hot and humid that I don't dare use any cooked veggies, only fresh, because of the mold. Birdie bread is consumed quickly and it's not something that I have to worry about. You can really get creative with making "birdie bread". This last batch I added chopped brazil nuts. Where are you located? Are your birds inside or out? TTYL, Fran --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCY00026 Date: 08/25/95 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 11:27pm \/To: TOM WEISS (Read 2 times) Subj: Mush that mash. TOM, FW> The matzo ball is a ball...different from the mash. TW> Huh? [clasping a bucket o mash and forming a ball ... ] My mash has TW> consisency; it's not blenderized (nor Kosher) as was your description of TW> the Motza ball. Even so, Claire considers my adding potato flakes as TW> creating a mixture without form ... sigh ... Sounds like a pancake to me. If you don't put it through the blender, then how do you get it to become "mash". Only Jack Daniels knows, right? TW> Oh 10 X 12 feet is fine for a few meals ... Did you say one meal, or.......? Interesting thing...at least to me. I was just cleaning my air filter. It is one of those round Honeywell Envirocare units. It has a filter, fiber type, that wraps around another large thick filter. I pulled the large filter out and I could swear that it is the same filter that goes in my carburator..only taller. I bet that it was be easy enough to make and air cleaner using this method. What do you think? --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas (1:382/92.5)