--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00022 Date: 08/13/95 From: FRAN WARWICK Time: 08:26pm \/To: TOM WEISS (Read 2 times) Subj: Outdoor avairy Tom, TW> You are lucky to be able to have an outdoor aviary. Suspect you do have TW> varmits to concern yourself with such as opossum and racoons ... cats nd TW> the like. Fran Warwick near Austin, Texas has snakes ... sigh ... It hasn't been too bad this year...2 chicken snakes, 1 large copperhead and 1 long coral snake. But summer isn't over yet, is it? --- PPoint 1.92 * Origin: Wings Over Texas (1:382/92.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00023 Date: 08/13/95 From: RICH VERAA Time: 10:14am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: HURRICANE In a message to Rich Veraa, Kathy Johnson wrote: KJ> How did your area do during Hurricane Erin? I didn't hear KJ> much mention of Miami on the news this time--did it miss KJ> you? I certainly hope so-- twice is definitely too many KJ> times to go through one of those things! Fortunately it passed north of here, as Felix seems about to do (though perhaps I shouldn't speak too soon). Cheers, Rich * Origin: The bird is in the sky, the stone rests on the land. (1:135/907) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00024 Date: 08/14/95 From: DANIEL DELGADO Time: 09:17am \/To: MICHELE BREAUX (Read 2 times) Subj: Stolen birds I heard yesterday at a friends pet shop that a man by the name of Carlos was busted by a Homstead breeder. It appears that he was stealing some birds and he was being filmed by a hidden camera the whole time. Way to go ! for the breeder. It seems to me that a survailance system paid for itself in this case. Well. I just wanted to share these good news. One less crook on the streets now. --- * Origin: THE PET PLACE Miami, Fla. 305 624-2190 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00025 Date: 08/14/95 From: DANIEL DELGADO Time: 08:58am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: wire mesh OK,,,THANKS --- * Origin: THE PET PLACE Miami, Fla. 305 624-2190 (1:135/68) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00026 Date: 08/14/95 From: JOSEPH MACK Time: 08:01am \/To: REGINALD ATKINS (Read 2 times) Subj: RUBY THROATS On 08-10-1995, REGINALD wrote about RUBY THROATS: RA> I will pass you comments on Randy to my friend Matt. He will be RA> happy to hear about Randy. One thing I have learned with Randy, experientially speaking. They do need some discipline. They may be small, but can more than make up for it in sheer willfullness. I find our relationship is much better if I daily re-inforce the up/down command training, and by not letting him come out of his cage on his own. Before I'll even open the door I've trained him to go sit on the perch in front of it first, then reach in and get him out with the "up" command; praising the heck out of him for being a "good boy" every time. I also used Kathy's "time-out" corner idea with a modification. From time to time he'll go ballistically hyper, going from the usual conure screaming to out right shrieking. I keep a 14 inch square cardboard box with the top cut off in the corner of the living room where the play gym is. I will say "time-out!" in a stern voice, looking eyeball to eyeball at him 3 times. If he doesn't calm down I will walk over and take him off the perch, saying nothing and not making eye contact and put him down inside the box. Once down inside I'll say "time-out!" again. Then, after about 2 minutes take him back out and return to perch. We did this for about a week, now, when he gets to over-wound (you have to expect a certain amount of rambunctiousness from these little guys), most of the time (about 85%) all it takes is for me to give him the evil eye and a stern verbal "time-out" for him to unwind a little. They really are just like little feathered two year olds. A little firmly but gently (and especially Patiently) applied discipline has made both our lives a lot happier. RA> Something will come; I am a somwhat patient type. Parrots taught RA> me that :)) Amen to that! Peace, Fr. Joe and the Feathered Flock <> --- KWQ/2 1.2i Don't you wish you could download a hot pizza? --- --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: The BMT Micro BBS - Wilmington, NC - 910-350-8061 (1:3628/11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCJ00027 Date: 08/14/95 From: BENNETT HENDRY Time: 07:27pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: PDS & BABY SALES KJ>I was contacted recently by a woman who wants to buy my next male KJ>Jenday baby. She lost her last pet Jenday (a hen) to Macaw Wasting KJ>Disease (proventricular dilitation syndrome), coupled with chronic KJ>... KJ>Those of you who breed birds, would YOU sell a bird into this home? KJ>--Kathy Hi Kathy! I am new to the group, so I don't know how much credence you will give my advice. I have worked with birds for ten years and have worked closely with 2 vets treating birds for a total of about five years. I breed birds and I just opened my own bird store after working for someone else in that capacity for 2 1/2 years. I am responding to your note about the lady whose bird died of PDS and whether or not you should sell her another bird. To answer this, first I will mention my understsnding of PDS. (If you find any of my info to be out dated, please let me know. I believe it to be current and correct.) PDS is classified as a syndrome because it is descriptive of a list of symptoms and a series of biological events without a known causitive agent. There are diseases which can cause this syndrome. Many cases of PDS can be associated with other pathogens such as Candida, E. coli, and Chlamydia. There are cases that do not appear to have any other associated pathogens. Thus it would appear that the PDS might also be a disease in its own right. To rule out other causes of PDS requires costly tissue sample tests. The cost of a full necropsy would be much greater than the replacement value of most smaller birds. That most people do not have these tests performed no doubt confounds Dr. Richie's research efforts. Many vets that see birds are content with saying, "It died of PDS." without pushing for further tests because there is so much cost to the client with little or no reward. You did not mention whether or not the lady with the conure had spent the hundreds of dollars in testing that would be necessary for a more specific diagnosis. Now I will mention my own experiences and opinions. Most of the cases of PDS that I've seen have had other possible pathological causes. The other shop that I worked at was over-crowded and had many surfaces that were not cleanable (such as carpet). Until I got there the birds were on a seed based diet with a very occasional piece of fruit to supplement. We were only barely able to keep one step ahead of the Chlamydia, E. coli, Pseudomonas, Candida, Klebsiella, etc. The owner had no qualms about bringing in new birds and adding them straight to the flock. We did see PDS but it is my humble belief that this most often occured in birds that were otherwise immunosuppressed. Single wild birds, new birds, African Greys, and birds that refused to switch to a better diet were the ones that most often had the problem. It rarely showed up in the handfed babies. There were two cases in baby macaws. One B&G baby was aquired during a major E. coli outbreak. It recovered but required over a month's worth of antibiotics and fluids as well as several months worth of "diet therapy." As a full grown bird, it still weighs less than 800 grams because its growth was so stunted. (It is no longer skinny, just small.) Another was a Greenwing. It came down with PDS in conjunction with Chlamydia and Candida as well as a few other opportunistics within a week of going home, even though a blood test a few days before it left came up normal. It is not clear whether the PDS occured before or after the bacterial infections but it was very clear that the stress of going to a new home was a major factor. This bird was making a full recovery when it developed a puncture in its proventriculus. The necropsy showed that almost all the signs of the syndrome had gone away. These people recieved a replacement Greenwing from this same shop within six months of the death of the first bird. Now, two years later, they have a beautiful, healthy Greenwing and the Moluccan that they got three years ago is in excellent condition as well. I believe that birds on a healthy diet --lots of vegetables like sweet potatoes and broccoli-- with a natural pellet base (I use Harrison's) have much less chance of coming down with the disease. I add immune system boosters to the diet on a regular schedule. I use Bach flower and homeopathic remedies to reduce stress and promote a healthy internal balance in my birds. I also add a drop or two of apple cider vinegar to the water of my South American birds since studies have shown that the natural water sources there are slightly acidic. For over two years I came home from work every day after exposure to very many nasty diseases as well as PDS. I have never had one of my own birds come down with PDS. I do not believe that this disease is very transmittable, especially to a bird in good health with a strong immune system. I would asess the lady's ability to properly feed her birds and house them in a low stress environment. If everything checks out (including your talk to Dr. Richie) I would sell her the baby bird. I hope this info is useful. Thanks for the writing space. Sorry this is so long. Ask me sometime about my B&G that had accupuncture treatments. --Dianalee, Paradise Found --- O/db V2.0 [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] --- O/db V2.0 [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] --- QM v1.31 * Origin: Pinecliffe BBS Multi-Line (1:104/28.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCK00000 Date: 08/14/95 From: DAVID EMANUEL Time: 11:41am \/To: MICHELE BREAUX (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Aol Bird Areas Michele SCREAMED TO David @->--- Michele, You spelled my name wrong, so I was unable to get ahold of this ntil much later. Life is hevtic right now, and I'm doing the whole back to school thing. Which isn;t fun. But, I digress. My last name is spelled "emanuel" please remember this in the future as I have to do other things than read the echos that I download from This and one other BBS. I'm not angry, I jut like to get my mail when I download it. Thanx. MB> David- MB> I have tried to enter this message from my offline reader 5 times. MB> Each time it got eaten due to a pkzip error. So, even though you I have an idea, use RAR. MB> havent heard from me, I have been trying to answer. (I am doing this MB> online now) ICK, actually use online time? I only do tht on BBSes where I can't use Bluewave or XRS. MB> To get to the AOL bird areas, first go to the main menu. Click on MB> Clubs and Interests (or something close to that) Click on Pet Forum. MB> Click on Message Boards. Scroll down and click on "more". Click on MB> Birds. Voila. There are many different areas having to do with MB> health, macaws, amazons, 'teils, etc etc. thanx, I'm taking the Vegetarian./Vegan cooking course hnow, and I have to check my muzik mail and well everything else on AOL, I'm running out of cash to pay for it all. RAvER ... "Bother" said Pooh as 5,000 Whitecloaks topped the hill. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- FMail 0.92 * Origin: Stepping Stone BBS, Tulsa, OK (1:170/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCK00001 Date: 08/14/95 From: DAVID EMANUEL Time: 02:58pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Blood Stain Remover Kathy SCREAMED TO All @->--- KJ> I'm convinced that bird blood is the WORST type of stain--I should KJ> send this shirt to the detergent companies as a challenge! But I don't IU'd say go for it, but I souldn;t be able to live without my Daily allowance of Yakko, Wakko, and Dot. Expecially if I had a t-sirt with some of the animaniacs characters on it. KJ> want to give it up yet... In the meantime, does anybody know of KJ> anything else I can try? Have you tryed using any of those Amway proodcts? Yes, I know they are a tad bit anoying with their Amway-ishness, but the stuff does work. Try using Amway's "L. O. C." which stands for Liquid organic Cleaner. IT's a one stop cleaning aid. It should help some, and it won't fade the shirt. Yo kould also try Fuller BGrush's "Fulsol" degreaser, it's like LOC but you might be able to find it easier. Hop I provided some help. RavER ... Defend the right to keep and arm bears! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- FMail 0.92 * Origin: Stepping Stone BBS, Tulsa, OK (1:170/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCK00002 Date: 08/13/95 From: MATT ASTELL Time: 05:33pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Eclectus Parrots Anyone out there on this great big Net want to talk about Eclectus Parrots? f so please reply to this message. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Sam's Corner BBS (1:253/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CCK00003 Date: 08/14/95 From: DIANE WINER Time: 07:20pm \/To: BOBBI BRINKER (Read 2 times) Subj: why Don't you know why your babies all go to nice homes? Think about it, they would have to since they all come from a very nice home and Mommie. Your babies turn out so well because of the time and effort you put into them but I think they also mimic the person's personality that they are with Bobbi and that is you. In the meantime your grandaughter is sitting her saying bye bye gotta go to work, hello, bad girl. Of course you know I did not think she would ever talk and Marty says she repeats the favorite phrase of the week over and over to him while I am gone. He just tunes her out. Yeah, y you belive that one and I will be selling an icebox to eskimos. She has learned to whistle a tune from someplace and it sure isn't me since I don't whistle. Yeah!!! I sold a $79,950 house 1/2 shot so can pay the ad bill from the past 6 months. I may even get another 1/4 sale next week if the people decide. Meggie and I are going to celebrate. If I make a sale then she gets to come to the office with me. She loves that as the girls make a big deal over her and she loves it. BTW please send me the info I requested. I really need it. Thanks. Love ya Diane --- * Origin: The Back Door BBS Richmond VA OS/2 V34+ (1:264/165)