--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBF00006 Date: 07/10/95 From: DAVID EMANUEL Time: 10:48am \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: My Cockatiel KJ> How do you respond when she bites someone? Does she seem to KJ> bite people KJ> just so she can get off of them and back to you quicker? Or I'm kool aboouit it but, she does go running of onto the curtains(you can't get bird poo out of lace easily the lace tears) KJ> just bite anyone who approaches her, even when she's not on YOU KJ> at the KJ> time? She bites anyone that approaches her accept me unless I have her favorite toy or a treat in my hand but tat doesn't kount she just wants the toy then. She's more prone t bite if she isn't on me at the time, i can't figure it out, unless she just doesn't feel safe when she isn;t on me. KJ> What worked for me with my first Jenday conure was to pop the KJ> bird into KJ> a nearby carrier or cardboard box for about 5 minutes whenever KJ> the bird KJ> bit someone. Don't speak, don't do anything except take the KJ> bird and put Will do. I hadn't thjought of that. See what happens when you have to cancel your bird magazine subscriptions. KJ> This method took our first conure about 2 weeks to figure out, KJ> and she KJ> hasn't bitten anybody (except during nesting and nail clipping, KJ> which KJ> don't count ) for 8 years. What colour is the conure? ANyway, nail clipping time doesn't kount. My bird likes the attention of getting to look at the mirror in the room I klip her nails in, but I have to keep a REAL firn\m grip on her or she'll fly rioght into it. (Not fun, th bird didn't go into shock so I was happy.) Thanx for the help I'm sure I could go oout annd find a person to charge an arm and a leg for the same info. RAvER ... This copy of GEdit has been unregistered for 35 days. --- FMail 0.92 * Origin: Stepping Stone BBS, Tulsa, OK (1:170/901) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBF00007 Date: 07/09/95 From: GEORGE DESTAFFAN Time: 07:43pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: ALEX TAPE Thanks Kathy-Looking forward to the tape. Still working the pellets. I don't know if I should feel bad keeping him from the seeds?? Maybe if I can get him on a steady diet of pellets, then I can give him seeds for a treat? But then again, there are people that give there birds only seed. (Because that's all they'll eat) Thanks, George --- Maximus 2.02 * Origin: ~\/~ (*) Paradise Isle (*) ~\/~ Syracuse, NY (1:2608/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00000 Date: 07/10/95 From: VICKIE CLAAR Time: 09:22pm \/To: BOBBI BRINKER (Read 3 times) Subj: CONGO AFRICAN GREYS Bobbi, I am sending this message private - not sure if that works or not, I usually don't give out my phone number either. My number is 913/268-3543. You mentioned you would not have babies until October - that would be better for me--- We're taking our 3 kids to Disneyland last of July and my mother is babysitting our Congo - the other birds and dog will be taken care of by neighbors. We also leave the last of August for our 25 wedding anniversary - we're going to Mackinaw Island, the kids start back to school the week we're gone, so again my folks get to babysit the Grey. We've had lots of fun with Chico - it is just like having a 2 year old in the home, he is really spoilt, but a real good bird. I'm writing you because of all the nice things I've read on this echo about your babies. Call collect any evening - if we're not home you'll get the answering machine and I'll call back. Thanks Bobbi - again hope this went private?? --- FidoPCB v1.4 [ff013/c] * Origin: Sound Advice - 24 Nodes (816)436-4516 (1:280/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00001 Date: 07/09/95 From: MICHELE BREAUX Time: 10:52pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Europe KJ>>Competition? Oh yeah, I forgot ... my greys are greyer than your >>conures ... they are bigger too ... . KJ>They'd BETTER be bigger! And as for greyer, welll......my conures are >GREENER than your GREYS! And louder too, I'll bet Michele --- * SLMR 2.1a * Scrute the inscrutable; eff the ineffable. --- InterEcho 1.08 * Origin: Oasis BBS 1:3632/21 601-853-2688 (1:3632/21) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00002 Date: 07/09/95 From: KATHY JOHNSON Time: 01:59am \/To: REGINALD ATKINS (Read 3 times) Subj: Grem AT Seattle! >Grem and her feathered crew arrived in Kent, WA at about 14 hours on >June 02, 95. Wow! Warp speed! You left on June 25th, didn't you? I'm glad to hear that the crew did well on the trip. How did Pax fare once you got underway? Did he finally calm down? >Our online time will be spoty untill I get a BBS entry point from here >in Kent,WA. (this is thru Falls Church, VA) I hope you find a local bbs soon. Beg with the sysops to carry Parrots; tell them you'll try to find other local users with birds to use the echo too! --Kathy * SLMR 2.1a * --- Silver Xpress Mail System * Origin: bloom county bbs * Parrots HQ * (313)582-0888 (1:2410/400) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00003 Date: 07/09/95 From: KATHY JOHNSON Time: 02:09am \/To: CINDY CLIFTON (Read 4 times) Subj: Re: Kittens & Amazon ?? >I am the proud owner of a baby Quaker Parrot and so far all is well >with him. I have three dogs and so far they aren't behaving to badly >with the bird,but I have to be very watchful as I have had a bird in >the past that the dogs killed. I was devastated. I have decided that I >will part with my dogs to have this bird. cindy clifton Hi, Cindy, and welcome to Parrots. I'm the moderator. I have 16 birds, and in April, I got a LARGE dog, a 90 pound retired racing greyhound. I was fearful that Tesla, the dog, would go after the birds. I set up several safeguards to prevent accidents. First, the birds are NOT allowed out of their cages unsupervised. That way, nobody can end up on the floor within dog reach when I'm not around. Second, the door to the room with the breeder birds is closed when I'm not in there. The door to the pet birds' room has a 32" tall steel-mesh and wood baby gate across the door at ALL times except when I'm actually going in or out of the room. When I leave the house, I close the door to that room too. When I DO take a bird out of the cage to play, Tesla goes outside or downstairs. Or else my husband watches him closely, if, for example, the weather is too bad to put him outside. If I have to leave the room while a bird is out, and the dog is in that room, the bird goes with me. Good solid obedience training for the dog is another safeguard. We are working with Tesla now, teaching him "no" and "leave it". So far, Tesla has not shown interest in the birds (he actually seems to be afraid of them when they're uncaged) but I'm not willing to take chances. Maybe some of what I've been doing might help you to keep your baby safe. Welcome aboard the echo! --Kathy * SLMR 2.1a * --- Silver Xpress Mail System * Origin: bloom county bbs * Parrots HQ * (313)582-0888 (1:2410/400) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00004 Date: 07/09/95 From: SUE SMITH Time: 06:40pm \/To: KATHY JOHNSON (Read 3 times) Subj: Uh DUH! KJ> Was it you that was mentioning on DOGHOUSE about feeding left-over KJ> handfeeding formula to your dogs? Does it ever, um, affect them, um, KJ> adversely? Yep, it was me. Since I used eXact, I didn't worry after I read the ingredient list. I never could gauge to make enough for the two so that I didn't have any left over, so the first available canine that was around got to lick the bowl. This explains why they hoover up the pellets on the floor; the girls have decided that they don't like the eXact "fruity mix" very well (espeically don't like the red flower shaped ones). No adverse effects; but remember my dogs don't seem to suffer from change of food, change of water, change like others do -- they tend to thrive on things like dust bunnies. KJ> ...the WRONG one...the one with no vacation clause... But I can hope KJ> and wish, can't I? Of course if I ever DID get away, I could always KJ> blame my absence on FIDO, and nobody'd ever know...... But with KJ> handfeeding conures all summer being on the top of my "to-do" list, I KJ> doubt I'll get anywhere other than to the local street fair for an KJ> afternoon. You bee busy then! -- SPEED 2.00 #1014: Never stand between a dog and a lampost --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0051] * Origin: This Old House * U.S.R. V.34 * Tacoma Wa (1:138/173) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00005 Date: 07/01/95 From: BOBBI BRINKER Time: 07:28pm \/To: PATTY MORRIS (Read 3 times) Subj: PACIFIC PARROTLET QUESTIO PM> Thanks much again, Bobbi. I didn't know how to decipher the code PM>have already discovered that some of our local stores keep such items PM>after their expiration dates (such as a packet of Ornacyn showing an e PM>date sometime in 1993) so the info is more helpful to me than you may This is info is for manufacturers who use the Julian code. If another code is used, call the nmanufacturer and ask for an explanation of the code unless you are sure it is in plain English. PM> Oh, and what PM>temperature and humidity range should I use for the newly hatched chicks For the first week the temp range would be 95 to 97 degrees F. Artficially incubated chicks seem to prefer a higher temp than parent-brooded ones. I believe that Jordan/Voren recommend that the babies be kept at the hatch temp (98 degrees F.) for the first 24 hours. I usually run the humidity at 65-75% for the first couple of days and then lower it to 55-60%. The babies are more comfortable at 55%. An additional benefit is that the babies won't need to draw on the liquid in the crop to properly hydrate their bodies. Even with the rapid hydration method, I keep my babies at a high humidty for the first 24 hours and 55% or so until they are ready to go into the weaning cage. Feeding babies from the egg is a little more difficult; you must be very careful because the littlest ones have so little control of their bodies. It is up to you to make sure that their mouth is empty and ready for the next mouthful. Take your time and consult someone whose opinion you respect if ANY little thing seems not quite right. This is one time it pays to be a REAL paranoid. --- WinQwk 2.0 a#0 Unregistered Evaluation Copy --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Bird Info Network (303-423-9775) (1:104/234) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBG00006 Date: 07/10/95 From: KATHY JOHNSON Time: 07:00pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: DETROIT NEWS ARTICLE This was published in the Saturday July 8, 1995 Detroit News. I thought those of you from Colorado would get a special grin out of this, and everybody else can use it as a bit of food for thought and discussion. ************************************************************************ "A Few Ruffled Feathers Keep Birds At Home" By Rebecca Jones Scripps Howard News Service The sounds that came out of 4-year-old William's throat were eminiscent of a scene from 'The Exorcist'. He was screeching and squawking like a demon. Getting groomed is not a parrot's favorite pastime. But with the onset of warm weather and open windows, it's something bird owners should onsider if they don't want their pets literally flying the coop, say bird experts. "This always stresses the birds," concedes Angie Paylor, who drew the flesh-threatening job of holding down William, an African gray parrot, wrapped in a towel, while bird groomer Joe Southern trimmed the bird's toenails, clipped its wing feathers and polished its beak. "It's instinctive," says Southern, as he gently prodded William's beak, scraping off old food particles and making sure the beak closed properly. "Ordinarily, if a bird is on his back and someone has a hold of him like this, he's lunch." Ten minutes later, William was back in his cage in his owner's living room, a sullen silent bird with newly buffed nails and 3 inches less wing feather--just enough to alter his aerodynamics to prevent him from flying out an open window. His owner, Jane Asper, was glad the bird's wrath wasn't directed at er. Southern, owner of Bird Calls Inc., in Denver, has been grooming birds for eight years. He makes house calls. The cost varies depending on the number and size of birds to be groomed. He charges $25 for the visit, plus $5 to $15 per bird. (William was a $10 bird). Some veterinarians also offer bird grooming services, as do some bird breeders and pet shops. Birds--including canaries and parakeets--should be groomed every four to five months. But it's especially important to keep large birds groomed, say breeders. Ask for reverences before selecting a bird groomer, advises Dr. Jerry LaBonde, a veterinarian who specializes in treating birds. Not all bird groomers do a good job, and LaBonde frequently treats birds whose groomers trimmed them too closely. "What I'd look for (in a groomer) is a person who has had some experience, who is able to handle and restrain your bird in a manner that doesn't stress the bird". Now, about that feather clipping thing... Some people don't want to clip their bird's feathers because they feel birds ought to be able to fly and that to deny them the ability to do so is cruel. "I don't have a problem with that--as long as the owner is aware of the problems that can occur,", says LaBonde. (end of article) ************************************************************************* --Kathy * SLMR 2.1a * --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Bird Info Network (303-423-9775) (1:104/234) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 225 PARROTS Ref: CBH00000 Date: 07/10/95 From: TOM WEISS Time: 08:57pm \/To: KLAUS BOSCH (Read 3 times) Subj: Germany Klaus, I've heard it said from an English couple that bird breeding information in England is not disclosed freely as if it would aid competition. It wouldn't surprise me that as England goes, so trends the rest of Europe ... Perhaps you can tell us just how much bird breeding information is shared in Germany and Europe as compared to the USA? FIDO PARROTS echo is typical, in my opinion, of U.S. aviculture sharing, alas not enough sharing to get my pair of wild African Greys to breed sucessfully. === * Freddie 1.2.5 * --- DB B2209gb/002493 * Origin: Wolverine (1:239/1004)