--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00013 Date: 05/04/97 From: BRIAN LINGARD Time: 10:39pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Bell Atlantic/NYNEX 4 may 1997 Ottawa Canada Actually I've heard Bell Atlantic has a better attitude to customers than NYNEX who seems to think it is OMNIPOTENT hich is potent with omni in front as Earnestine says. In CVanada a lot of cellular subscribrs have found they have been asked for $500 or $1,000 security deposits, usually due to previous cellular payment problems. I thought i might be asked for one when I signed up and was pleasantly surprised I was not asked for one. In Canada, with my carrier, overseas calling is something you get only after several months of satisfactory credit history with the carrier. I have had it at times but had it put on my line say in the morning and when I got in touch with my overseas party, had it removed forthwith. This helps prevent fraudelent use from cloners. ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." --- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR] * Origin: Vision Information Systems (1:163/266) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00014 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 01:56pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Prepaid Cellular 1 GE>I will say this only one more time. The phone system is the property of >private enterprise -- not the government. The telephone system is >available for the public to use, but it is the property of the various >phone companies. You miss the point. Anyway even if you were correct, which you are not; it remains that those public telephone companies also use the airways which are a public resource and not their private property. GE>Not at all. I am not dictating what you or anyone should do. I am merely >repeating the simple truth about the way things are. Things are not >true because I say they are true. I say they are true because they are. Needless to say, your determination of that is absolute and not subject to error or misconception; right? CH> Hmmmmmmm......I think you really must be a Bell CH> Atlantic associate. GE>I've made no secret of the fact that I work for a company that is an >agent of Bell Atlantic NYNEX Mobile. And your demeanor is indicative of that relationship. GE>In two years of running Bell Atlantic NYNEX Mobile credit reports, I >have never had them turn anyone down who would have qualified for credit >from other sources. I spent a year and a half with a company that sold Well, when a person with no bad credit, some good credit and a net worth of over 1/2 million dollars plus ownership of valuable real estate can't get a cell phone without a $800.00 deposit....while a near derilict living in an old van CAN get a cell phone without a deposit there is something wrong. GE>Landline phone companies don't also provide a subsidised phone. And >landline service isn't nearly as much a luxury as cellular phone >service. Cellular telephone service is NOT a luxury. For some people, who are very mobile it is the ONLY phone service that will work for them. And, thank you for mentioning the subsidized phone.....it reinforces my argument that these deposits are based on other than reasonable and valid reasons; and that Bell Atlantic Nynex engages in deceptive trade practices. GE>I've only seen one credit request come back with a $1000 deposit. Of the >hundreds of credit requests I've run, the majority were approved, and of >those that required a deposit, the majority were for only $200. And I >got BANM to waive at least half of the ones that the computer tagged at >$200 by getting a human to take a closer look. The example I gave earlier resulted in the BANM representative calling to get credit to review the request with them being unwilling to lower the deposit under $500.00. The sales rep admitted that Bell Atlantic was discriminating against young people. GE>I don't know where you came up with your ideas about BANM credit >policies. But it's flat out wrong. Just because YOU say so; right? No, George, I am not flat out or otherwise wrong. My statements are based upon fact and not folly as are some of yours. Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ "Ich bein 1stReader!!!" . John F. Kennedy --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00015 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 01:56pm \/To: SCOTT CURRIER (Read 2 times) Subj: Prepaid Cellular 2 -CH> Of course what you suggest is workable; but you fail to -CH> note that -CH> all of this money that they take in as security deposits -CH> can be used -CH> by them, at a lower interest rate than borrowing, to expand -CH> their -CH> system. That is the main reason that the cellular -CH> companies want -CH> deposits. SC>Unfortunately, there is probably a lot of truth in that statement Youre darn right there is. Also, those deposits (unbeknownst to customer usually) go to cover the sale of a cellular phone that the customer THOUGHT they were getting for 1 cent or some other reduced amount or "free". Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ An Intellectual is someone whose mind watches itself. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00016 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 01:56pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Bell Atlantic/NYNEX GE>They will not agree. Mr. Hunter seems to have a chip on his shoulder >regarding Bell Atlantic NYNEX Mobile, possibly because they asked him >for a security deposit before they'd give him service. The company is Whether or not I have a chip on my shoulder is not relevant. My arguments stand on their own. Bell Atlantic Mobile engages in deceptive business practices. Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ Pilgrims may follow but there can only be one Columbus. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00017 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 01:56pm \/To: SCOTT CURRIER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Multiple carriers (3 or m 13:56:0005/05/97 -TM> So it's impossible for you if you have a Nextel phone to -TM> use the twoser -TM> from another company? That kind of sucks. SC>Time, give them time, they're working on a national network and when it's in >place it will be nice to not have to worry about roaming rates. SC>For now, Nextel is great for someone who needs to use the phone primarily in >an existing Nextel service area. You get lower rates and their system orks >pretty well. I had a chance to try it out again today. The two way radio >feature is pretty neat. >For those that need to roam, you can maintain an inexpensive cellular accoun >and use it when outside the Nextel service area. Actually, you make an interesting point. If you can get a prepaid cellular phone that allows roaming and has free long distance, you might find that it is cheaper to use on the long run than regular cellular service. Basically, that is what I am doing at the present time. Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ Silence is a heavy stone. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00018 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 01:56pm \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Prepaid Cellular GE>Cell phones are NOT really "Free". They cost around $350 - $500 retail >(though no one pays retail). But virtually all cell phone carriers >subsidise the cost of the phone so that you can get one without paying >anything for it, other than making a one or two year commitment for >cellular service. Which is one of the reasons the cellular carriers require large deposits. Stop with this business that you don't pay for it. You get nothing for nothing. GE>The only "deception" invloved is when people who see the ads refuse to >read the fine print, or to listen to the salesman explain how things >really work. In a credit and truth in lending or fair trade scenario, there is a deception when the cellular company and the salesman do not tell the customer that they are not really getting the phone for free and that they would be within their legal rights to obtain a phone from anyone they choose. Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ Quod erat demonstrandum y'all. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00019 Date: 05/05/97 From: CHARLES HUNTER Time: 02:38pm \/To: BRIAN LINGARD (Read 2 times) Subj: Bell Atlantic/NYNEX BL>3 may 1997 Ottawa Canada BL>If you really want to have fun, try getting elected or appointed >as the state p.u.c. Commissioner and see how the carriers try to >woo you. Oh, absolutely. You'd probably be shocked to see what kind of money the big cellular companies spend on lobbying and other suck up activity. Charles * 1st 2.00 ~ Forget everything, as one day everything will forget you. --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0671 * Origin: AirPower Information Services 610-259-2193 (1:273/408) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00020 Date: 05/06/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:01am \/To: THE REAL TOM MARKS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Two Phones TRTM> TRTM> Find someone with an ESN change TRTM> TRTM> and just get your ESN matched to either phone from the other, nd TRTM> TRTM> the # yourself. TRTM> GE> First, that is illegal. Big time. TRTM> GE> Second, with the newer, authenticated phones on the market, it sn' TRTM> GE> possible. At least, it isn't easy. TRTM> Yeah, I know that's illegal. Then there's no point to further discussion of it. TRTM> I think it's pretty easy with analog phones TRTM> though, with the amount of poeple running around over here with stolen TRTM> hpones. Those are all non-authenticated phones. The new authentication procedures on most new analog phones make cloning an order of magnitude more difficult. The carrier I sell for won't sell ANY new phones that aren't authenticated. * OLX 2.1 TD * He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00021 Date: 05/06/97 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 12:01am \/To: THE REAL TOM MARKS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Ukraine / GSM-900 TRTM> GE> BANM is now, and always has been, committed to CDMA. TRTM> Which CDMA phones do you have over there? Just the QUALCOMM or do you TRTM> any more? Currently, the Qualcomm 800 is th eonly digital phone we're offering. But the Audivox MVX855 should be available soon, as well as the new Motorola. I'm really looking forward to the new Motorolas. From what I've heard, they'll use the same case & universal battery format as their Teletac & "flip" series of phones. That means that the current handsfree kits & other accesories can stillbe used with them. * OLX 2.1 TD * He governs best who governs least. --- Renegade * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E5B00022 Date: 04/25/97 From: NORM HORARIO Time: 09:02pm \/To: DANIEL COTARELO GARCIA (Read 2 times) Subj: calling party pays DCG>The government has just enforced "calling party pays", as opposite to DCG>"mobile party pays" (which nevertheless remains optional for the owner of DCG>the cellular phone). Today is the first day of this system. Here in Colorado, US West has that option "Calling Party Pays" for around $10.00 more a month. In theory, it should save the cell owner some money on incoming calls. Norm nhorario@juno.com * OLX 2.1 TD * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Fatal Error!! Wargaming Central! Colorado Springs. 1:128/103.0)