--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200001 Date: 12/27/96 From: BEN CARPENTER Time: 09:15pm \/To: RAY MADISON (Read 7 times) Subj: MOBILE CHARGES -=> Quoting Ray Madison to Richard Munro <=- Ray RM> have free long distance. Because of the secrity feature, I have to let RM> the cellular company know when I'm leaving the local area and where RM> I'm headed and for how long so they can give me access. Confusing? I RM> thought so!! Boy I would not like that. I would be spending more time calling the cell company telling them where I was headed than the time I am gone. I use my cell phone in my truck and I seldom know very far in advance where and when or how long I am going to be gone. Also on top of that where I live if I go over 15 miles south of me I am in to roam. There are times I am in and out of that area as many as 5 times in a day. ... Ben ... Computers run on smoke. They stop when it leaks out. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Telnet toltbbs.com or call 313-854-6001, Boardwatch #55 (1:234/2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200002 Date: 12/27/96 From: GREG WILLIAMS Time: 08:31pm \/To: BEN BERGERON (Read 9 times) Subj: QUESTION? MOTOROLA PHONES > > as far as burning an eprom?? have havent done that yet > > > > what i do is call the cell provider and ask them to change the esn > in > > the computer so that it either recognize's either my handheld or > my bag > > phone. > > > Which of my messages to this thread was this in reply to ? .. > you had asked me if what i did was unlawfull. so i asked if you where talking about burning an eprom which i havent done --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Pacifier Online Data Service (1:105/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200003 Date: 12/30/96 From: BEN BERGERON Time: 09:18pm \/To: BRIAN LINGARD (Read 10 times) Subj: Cellular II *** Quoting Brian Lingard to Ben Bergeron dated 12-24-96 *** > The cellular II conference of Fidonet is based in Canada and > apparently discussion of cellular scanning, cloning and other > topics of interest to some, but which are not permitted on > Fidonet Cellular conference are ok. > > On the bbs I call, Cellular II is the next conference after this > one and yes, it exists. > > As far as the privacy of Cellular goes, even with digital I > wouldn't be in a rush to discuss anything secret or top secret. > > > > ... "Mr. Worf, fire phasers at Ben" ... Zzzzzap! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ------->Fine.... I will not ask -:> Ok, ... hmm seems I might just pull in yet another echo -=) --- 6b416e55724565446549 * Origin: The Unknown World (1:246/53.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200004 Date: 12/30/96 From: BEN BERGERON Time: 09:22pm \/To: CHRIS FARRAR (Read 9 times) Subj: Re: QUESTION? MOTOROLA PHONES *** Quoting Chris Farrar to Ben Bergeron dated 12-23-96 *** > During a brief burst of sanity Ben Bergeron supposidly typed the > following: > > BB> This area you speak of, cellular-II, your kidding right ? > ...no?... > BB> hmm. > > Not kidding. The area tag is CELLULAR_II > > Chris HEHEHEHE>... So I am being told :) --- 6b416e55724565446549 * Origin: The Unknown World (1:246/53.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200005 Date: 12/30/96 From: BEN BERGERON Time: 09:26pm \/To: BRIAN LINGARD (Read 9 times) Subj: QUESTION? MOTOROLA PHONES *** Quoting Brian Lingard to Ben Bergeron dated 12-25-96 *** > Interesting. If cloning by esn change is illegal in Canada, then > how come the colers haven't been closed by police? I thought > some court ruled a while ago they were legal? > > Actually if I were a cellular service provider, I'd offer > something like Bell Cellular's Joint Account for about $5 a month > for each additional phone, give it its own number and let the > whole family go cellular. > > Especially for evening use. Gets the kids used to phoning the > parents to say where they are and used to using cellular. That is quite interesting..... Basicly making it legal to clone fones? .... --- 6b416e55724565446549 * Origin: The Unknown World (1:246/53.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200006 Date: 12/29/96 From: JOHN N. RIGGINS Time: 11:01am \/To: GEORGE ERDNER (Read 8 times) Subj: new way to detect cloned phones } BL> cloned phone? GE> If the user is careful to never attempt to use both phones GE> at the same time, he'll probably never be caught. But if his GE> wife tries to use one phone while he's using the other, he's GE> busted. I just saw on an evening news magazine show the other night (Dateline, 20-20, etc.) that the cellular companies have a new way to detect cloned phones and to prevent abuse (but not yet widely deployed). Research has discovered that every phone has a unique variation in its frequency patterns (sort of like an echo cardiogram with regular, PREDICTABLE spikes and drops in emissions - like a "fingerprint"). This method does NOT depend on the ESN for validation of the phone. Calls from each phone can be charted and then the pattern stored in a large database. From then on, each new call is measured against the expected pattern and if it varies, the call is not allowed to connect. The show displayed this new approach in action and showed its deployment to a few cities. The show predicted the technology would quickly spread and would soon be available to almost any cellular area. According to the report, cloned phones were detected while dialing a call and were immediately disconnected. The commentator said something to the effect that with this approach, cloned phones would soon become entirely useless. -== JNR ==- --- timEd-B11 * Origin: Point of No Return, Nashville, TN (1:116/30.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200007 Date: 12/29/96 From: RAY MADISON Time: 12:57am \/To: BEN CARPENTER (Read 7 times) Subj: MOBILE CHARGES Hi Ben, On 27 Dec'96, you growled something about MOBILE CHARGES to Ray Madison: BC> RM> have free long distance. Because of BC> RM> the secrity feature, I have to let BC> RM> the cellular company know when I'm BC> RM> leaving the local area and where BC> RM> I'm headed and for how long so they BC> RM> can give me access. Confusing? I BC> RM> thought so!! BC> BC> Boy I would not like that. I would be spending more time calling BC> the cell company telling them where I was headed than the time I am BC> gone. I use my cell phone in my truck and I seldom know very far BC> in advance where and when or how long I am going to be gone. Also BC> on top of that where I live if I go over 15 miles south of me I am BC> in to roam. There are times I am in and out of that area as many BC> as 5 times in a day. Well, it works OK for me. I don't travel much out of the city. I'd rather go through that than get my phone cloned and get zapped with charges that I didn't incur. I guess it's the lesser of the two evils. Ray Madison (Black Saber) Internet: 70661.2471@CompuServe.com ... I suffer from C.R.S. (Can't Remember Sh*t) ... QWKRR128 V4.32 [R] --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.20b * Origin: The Classic BBS * Upper Darby, PA, USA * 610-394-9392 (1:273/416) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200008 Date: 12/29/96 From: ZIGGY MALTER Time: 12:07am \/To: RICHARD MUNRO (Read 7 times) Subj: Mobile charges Hi Richard, RM>Hm, not bad. I'm on a regular consumer plan in the UK (digital, of RM>course), and I pay about $23 a month access fee, about 40 cents peak but RM>only about 9 cents a minute off peak. Again, thats a flat rate to RM>anywhere in the country. RM>Oh yeah, and I get a voicemail answering service completely free as RM>well (i.e. you don't even have to pay for the call to pick up your RM>messages!) My service provider is Vodafone and it sounds like you may be with the same outfit, as they operate in the UK. The other providers in Australia have different rates for long-distance and the voicemail services. Cheers - Ziggy ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader --- Xenolink 1.984, XQwk 1.6 [REG 10062] * Origin: Archer BBS 61-2-93710347 ArcherNet International (3:712/392) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200009 Date: 12/29/96 From: ZIGGY MALTER Time: 12:07am \/To: SCOTT CURRIER (Read 7 times) Subj: PCS starts to influence Hi Scott, SC>Wow, that sounds great! I wish we were that lucky here. The cellular phone SC>companies have been taking advantage of the fact that there are only two SC>companies per market. Once one company does something, the other follows. SC>Basically, it's pretty obvious that they're in bed with each other. At the momnt there are three cellphone providers. The rates are similar for the ordinary person, however two of the providers have local and long-distance rates whilst the third provider (the one I use) has a flat rate across Australia, which is larger than the USA in area. There are a few new players entering the market as it becomes more deregulated, so we are expecting large falls in rates in the next couple of years. SC>I look forward to when there are 6 or 7 providers to choose from, it will SC>be interesting to see if the cellular providers can survive in a setting SC>where they have to earn every customer. So do we down here. It promotes competition and I believe that things can only be better when providers have to offer more for the dollar. SC>Hopefully the days of 50 cents a minute peak rates, long service ontracts, SC>with no alternatives will be over. Some people in Australia pay a lot more than that for peak rates. Some of the plans only charge around $10 per month access rates, but they slug the users up to $1.20 per minute peak call rates. People go on these schemes thinking that they will mainly use the phones for incoming calls but after a while, the convenience of being able to call from something in your pocket gets the better of them and then they start running up the bills and eventually move to a higher access cost plan. In any way, the providers always win. SC>I have no idea what the exchange rate is so I can't judge your rates, free SC>incoming calls is a really nice touch. One Australian Dollar is equivalent to around US 80 cents at the moment. I would have thought that incoming calls would be free anywhere, as they would be the responsibility of the calling party. A provider that charged for incoming calls in Australia would be out of business overnight, as the people here would never tolerate this. SC>How are the rates on LL phones in your country? At the moment, a local call is 25 cents with no time limit. The local area in Sydney is around 50 miles radius. Getting on the Internet or BBSes is great, as we can literally ring up for the 25 cents and stay on the line all day if we want. Long distance rates vary with distance but they are not too bad. Weekend off peak long distance rates are about 10 cents per minute for a distance equivalent of Los Angeles to New York. SC>On another note, there is a pcs company down south (Powertel) that is SC>offering $50 a month with unlimited useage, calls are free within the SC>service area. That's the type of rate plan that I want to see, I don't ind SC>the relatively high monthly rate if I can use the phone as much as I need SC>to for one flat fee. That beats even your rates. Yes, I would love to see that, but with an access fee of around $25-30 per month. I feel that this will eventually happen here. SC>As for analog and digital, I like the way that our AMPS system performs, SC>I'm probably going to be the last analog holdout, unless I see that igital SC>gets the signal thru better than analog and without any delay. In Australia we have the European GSM system and it is fantastic. The sound is very clear, dropouts are rare and usually because of terrain, not the digital system. Best of all, there is no eavesdropping. Hell, I and half of the country own scanners which can listen in on the analogue system any time and I'm very glad that people cannot eavesdrop on my conversations because even the cops discovered that the GMS system was impossible to tap. In fact the introduction of GSM digital phones in Australia was delayed until the cops were happy that they could get access to tapping certain phones via the providers so as they could fight crime. They literally did not have the equipment to do so dependently. SC>I tried TDMA, it sounded ok, the warble was noticable but not too bad, but SC>I sensed that there was a very slight delay in the transmission. I'm not SC>going to say anything more till I make a few more digital calls. I don't know anything about TDMA, as this has not even been mentioned here. There is no "warble" or extraneous noise on the GSM system - it is crystal clear and undistorted, no matter what. It has some great features, such as the inbuilt short message service (paging), call-waiting and a few other niceties. SC>Thank you for your reply. I hope you have a nice weekend, I wish we were SC>heading into summer like you guys are down there. Our summer has been very un-typical this year. Usually it gets to over 100 degrees most days and it's beach weather, but this year it has been either hot and humid or actually quite cold. Sydney is amazing, as we have around 4 million people here and they all seem to head for the beach at the same time, although most people have a pool as well. You can't see the sand for the bodies. The same happens in Melbourne which has close to 4 million people as well, as well as some of the other state capitals which are a bit smaller. Seeing you're from New Hampshire, you must probably be freezing your asses off by now..... :-) I love the USA and have been there a number of times and plan to be there in September 1997 to take my daughter to Space Academy in Huntsville, Alabama. She has been there before and loved it. She has a great interest in aeronautics and such things. Maybe it's rubbed off from me as I am a commercial pilot, among other things. I'd really love to get a "Green Card" and live in the USA about 4 to 6 months of the year and in Australia the rest of the time. Our lifestyles are so similar that I find it hard to distinguish whether I'm home when I am in the USA. Anyway, thanks for replying, have a Happy New Year. Cheers - Ziggy ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader --- Xenolink 1.984, XQwk 1.6 [REG 10062] * Origin: Archer BBS 61-2-93710347 ArcherNet International (3:712/392) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 223 CELLULAR Ref: E1200010 Date: 12/31/96 From: GEORGE ERDNER Time: 07:00pm \/To: JOHN N. RIGGINS (Read 7 times) Subj: new way to detect cloned JNR> I just saw on an evening news magazine show the other night (Dateline, 0 JNR> etc.) that the cellular companies have a new way to detect cloned phones JNR> prevent abuse (but not yet widely deployed). I believe you're talking about "authentication". The carrier I am an agent for is requiring all phones sold after January 1 to be authenticated. As a result, we've had to drop a few products. The big problem for us will come at the end of the month when we won't be able to activate non-authenticated phones any more. The bulk of my sales efforts are at getting companies who use the other carrier to convert. With full activation commission and no need to provide a phone, competitive conversions are the best sales of all. * OLX 2.1 TD * Guns take 5 days, the knives you can take now, Mrs. Bobbi --- RG0511/CDRMAIL 1.06b * Origin: LOTL/2 * 412 746 3592 * lotl2.slip.lm.com * USofA (1:129/230)