--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00027Date: 04/19/98 From: LAVONNE DAVIS-SCHENCK Time: 09:29pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin and NIMH JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and other JK> drugs as well, by women during their pregnancies. THAT IS IN THE AREA JK> Of CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY RESEARCHERS JK> are ignoring!!! I've never so much as taken a single drag of a single tobacco cigarette in my life, let alone use *any* drugs, legal or otherwise, even so much as aspirin or Tylenol from starting to attempt to conceive through delivery. If I have one alcoholic drink every other month, that's a lot. Always ate carefully. Doesn't seem to explain why my son has ADD. LaVonne ... Life is what happens while you're making other plans. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- ViaMAIL!/WC4 v1.30 * Origin: Chowdanet! 20gb Amateur Radio BBS (401-331-5587) (1:323/120) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00028Date: 04/23/98 From: ALAN RACKMILL Time: 11:35am \/To: PHILLIP KENNEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin and NIMH Phillip Kenney wrote in a message to Edward Sott: ES> I know from personal experience that ADHD, ADD, Alcoholism, Drug ES> adictions, ES> and/or mental illness can be deadly to a person, if not correctly eated. PK> Do you seriosly know somone who has died from ADD? Yes, I do know of people dying from ADD. Not being able to concentrate can be deadly in many instances. And many accidents are a result of loss of concentration. PK> Is Ritlin The Awnser? My opinion is NO! And you have medical experience to back up this claim? PK> PAK Alan Team OS/2, Fidonet 1:107/101, ibmNET 40:4371/101, OS2NET 80:135/15 internet: alanrackmill@mindspring.com --- timEd/2 1.01 * Origin: The Maven's Roost * MAX/2 * WARP * v.34 1-908-821-4533 1:107/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00029Date: 04/23/98 From: SHARYN NOAKES Time: 07:22pm \/To: JASON SEIPLE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Ritalin and NIMH Hello Jason! In a message to Sharyn Noakes <04/22/98> Jason Seiple wrote: JS> SN> I don't know what state you are in, but because of my daughter being JS> SN> ADD she was able to request a private room and even something to drin JS> SN> while taking her major exams...at least she did this when taking the JS> SN> SAT. She said it really helped too and scored fairly high. If you JS> SN> have been diagnosed with ADD there are many rights you have. All of JS> SN> this falls under Section 504 of the Learning Disability Act. Do some JS> SN> research on your own since this will help you to understand what JS> SN> rights you have. My daughter earned a VR Scholarship from the State. JS> Hmmmm.. I never knew about that stuff. Join some support groups like LDA or CADD. They are filled with people who have or have children with ADHD. You can learn so much as well as have the support you may or may not need. Unfortunately I have let my membership go now that my daughter is out of high school, but she does have a wonderful state counselor who is the one in charge of her VR (Vocational Rehabilitation) Scholarship. By the way this scholarship will get her through at least the first two years of college, but she must maintain at least a 2.5 GPA. I only wish I could get my daughter on here so she could tell you more about it, but I'll try and see what information she can give me. I'm sure they offer the same thing in your state. That is if you are interested. Sharyn SNoakes78@MCI2000.com * WCE 2.0/2277 * --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Home Of TIMENET! FL. U.S.A. (352) 473-9472 (1:3601/78.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00030Date: 04/24/98 From: BUTCH WALKER Time: 05:14am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Disappointment I'm really disappointed. For years this echo has run smoothly and acted as a place of help and support. Now I understand that it has become a place of arguing, name calling and derision. I'm in the process of reviewing existing messages. I would appreciate it if the war of words would subside. Thanks. --- * Origin: Nerd's Nook Point #1 (1:157/2.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00031Date: 04/24/98 From: JOHN DUNN Time: 01:27am \/To: SHARYN NOAKES (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Ritalin and NIMH -=> Sharyn Noakes Wrote to Lettuce Head <=- LH> SN> One thing I have found that can really catch my child's and my LH> SN> attention is the computer. LH> You know, that is so weird. Me, and some of my other friends who have DD LH> have LH> almost been drawn towards computers like metal fileings toward a magnet. LH> have always wondered why it is so... do you have any ideas? Hi there. I am a 27 year old male. I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child. I lived my whole life moving from foster home, to foster home. I too am "addicted" to the ROYAL PC. This has actually started to affect a really good relationship I have with my girlfriend. I love to be on the computer.;) I think the reason is that everything you do causes a change to the screen, therefore grabbing your attention. I am always looking for the next change or result. As a matter of fact, even typing a letter like "A" causes a small change. Kind of pathetic is it not? ;) he he. So I must pose a question, Do you think that the monitor scan rate could also somehow effect Ones brain wave patterns? Interesting huh? Consider it DUNN Computer Consulting Need help with installing new hardware or software? Problems with your Internet Software? Call (416) 923-3027 or E-mail john.dunn@236.to.org ... I'm not real smart but I can lift heavy things.. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00032Date: 04/24/98 From: JOHN DUNN Time: 01:28am \/To: JASON SEIPLE (Read 0 times) Subj: ADD a Blessing? ;) -=> Jason Seiple Wrote to Bob Moylan <=- JS> I wonder if ADD is more a blessing... Hello there. I am John Dunn. I am also enjoying ADD. I was diagnosed with DHD as a child, ritlin etc, but now I think it is just ADD. I am 27, male and ind the same thing with the comuter thing. I can sit on a computer for 18 hours no problem. I am fairly easy to get along with, intelligent, and unless you were to work with me, or watch me try to give an in depth description of how something works, you would never know I had it. I just wanted to say that yes, I consider it to be a blessing in a way as well. But I just wish I could concentrate. ;) He H..... oh yes... e. Consider it DUNN Computer Consulting Need help with installing new hardware or software? Problems with your Internet Software? Call (416) 923-3027 or E-mail john.dunn@236.to.org ... Back when I was a boy, we carved our own ICs out of wood. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00033Date: 04/23/98 From: JASON SEIPLE Time: 09:53am \/To: EDWARD SOTT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Ritalin and NIMH JS> Thank you for clarifying that for me. I know many people whose parents were JS> NOT into drugs who had offspring with ADD. ES> ES> No Problem. It's the lack of intelligent information that has a tendency t ES> annoy me. Especially when it comes from someone who claims to be in the fi ES> of medicine. I find it disturbing knowing that someone is in the current ES> practice of medicine, making statements of this caliber. I causes great ES> concern to me, for I am fearful that the misinformation can result in great ES> distress for the families of the individuals that are being treated by them ES> Not discluding the fact the very life of the person whom is being treated m ES> also be in jeopardy. This is truly what worries me. ES> ES> I know from personal experience that ADHD, ADD, Alcoholism, Drug adictions, ES> and/or mental illness can be deadly to a person, if not correctly eated. How would ADD be deadly? I am curious. --- Join League 94 * Origin: Rangers of Midnight BBS 770-944-8870 Mableton, Ga. (1:133/8870) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00034Date: 04/24/98 From: ALAN RACKMILL Time: 11:36am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin and NIMH * Reply to a message in Personal. Jane Kelley wrote in a message to Alan Rackmill: AR> LD> JK> Got news for you, ADD and ADHD are linked to cocaine use, and AR> other AR> LD> JK> drugs as well, by women during their pregnancies. THAT IS IN AR> THE AR> LD> AREA AR> LD> JK> Of CHEMICAL DEPENDENCY AND SOMETHING THATALL OF THE FANCY AR> RESEARCHERS AR> LD> JK> are ignoring!!! AR> JK> Then yours is "different". Unless, of course, there are some AR> JK> recessive genes in either your family or your husband's family that AR> JK> are mutations due to drug use on some one else's part. AR> Finally, you have admitted that drug use isn't the only cause of AR> ADHD. JK> In view of the fact that Maury Povich had some ADD/ADHD kids JK> on TV early this morning who fly into rages and attack their JK> parents along with one "expert" in handling these kids, I JK> admit nothing. According to same expert, the rages are the JK> result of seizure activity and/or chemical imbalance. JK> I believe in finding out what that chemical imbalance and JK> the seizure activity is before medication is passed out to JK> "see if this will help". And how can you find out if any given drug will work unless you try it first? JK> I am very certain that most alcoholics would just love JK> permission to use drugs from a doctor or any other "expert"! JK> The end result of a lot of drug addiction is the creation JK> of morphine like substances in the body which pile up in JK> human fat cells. JK> AND THE TREATMENT IS NOT MORE DRUGS OF THE SAME! And your diatribes, anecdotes, and bombastic statements do worse damage. Alan Team OS/2, Fidonet 1:107/101, ibmNET 40:4371/101, OS2NET 80:135/15 internet: alanrackmill@mindspring.com --- timEd/2 1.01 * Origin: The Maven's Roost * MAX/2 * WARP * v.34 1-908-821-4533 1:107/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00035Date: 04/24/98 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:31am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin and NIMH BM> Perhaps not at all in your neck of the woods. I seem to recall BM> that you have little good to say about any GP or peds doc in BM> Washington State. Even if your perceptions were correct for WA it BM> does not follow that that is the 'norm' for the rest of the country. Are you familiar with what goes on in "the rest of the countr ? Just downloaded from Seattle Times an article quoting Kathy Lewis of the Dallas Morning Sun entitled "People avoid confronting alcoholics". Survey done by Peter D. Hart Research Associates of Washington indicates that the social stigma associated with alcoholism remains, as does a reluctance to confront the issue. "82 percent of medical doctors said members of their profession avoid addressing alcoholism in patients." And also further on, that they haven't the first clue as how to find it, either. So this isn't something I dreamed up but a factor that is all too real in medicine today. Check out the site: www.seattletimes.com/news/health- science/html98/alco_04298.html for yourself. And realize that after being educated at 19 to observe patterns of human behavior, at 70 the skills just are more honed, not missing. --- * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F5G00036Date: 04/24/98 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:36am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin and NIMH BM> BM> JK> done some chemical dependency nursing since then. I stopped oing BM> BM> JK> nursing and specialized in addiction in BM> 1979....have BM> BM> JK> done some chemical dependency nursing since then. BM> BM> Which is it? You either stopped nursing or you didn't I stopped doing hospital nursing right after the nurse's strike in Seattle a few years back. Discovered that we had been sold out by the nurses' organization and wanted nothing to do with them afte that. BM> I did read it again... and you didn't answer the question. From BM> previous statements made by you are are now an "addiction BM> counselor"... I don't think that occupation requires a nursing BM> background... sounds more like LCSW work to me. Being a registered nurse in a detox unit, working in a hosptial inpatient program as an R.N., does require such a degree. I don't consider it work when I enjoyed what I was doing. I definitely did consider standing still in one room all day long with one patient who could not talk work I chose not to continue. BM> 30 contact hours isn't really very much at all Jane; 30 credit hours BM> is roughly 2 semesters worth. Dunno how they count where you live, but around here, 30 hours of sitting produces around 3 credits. That means 60 hours would produce around 6 credits and 120 hours would produce around 12 credits. It takes just 90 to complete an associate of arts degree and last time mine were counted, I had over 300. That was before I went to the last two colleges for additional classes I wanted to take and before I started on the second page of listing all of the classes and seminars I have taken. Does that answer your question? --- * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (253) 845-2418 (1:138/255)