--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2T00002Date: 02/23/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 08:54pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: Help! Ideas Needed. JK> amounts of work. And that they are sometimes very JK> intelligent folks who gave their not so intelligent school JK> teachers and local authorities all kinds of problems. You have an amazingly obvious problem with authority figures. JK> My understanding is that very bright young folks can get an JK> entry level job in Microsoft or some other computer firm JK> these days and earn millions. Emphasis on VERY bright and millions is reaching... unless you mean for the company. Average for a four year degree with two years experience is 40K, I have a friend who is a head hunter. (six years minumum, 24 years old or der) JK> Much better than trying to steal that amount. JK> And much more accepted by the community at large. You do not understand the complexity of the drug problem. First they get hooked, then they do binges, at that point they LOSE THEIR JOB and resort to stealing to get what they want. I deal with these people every day and they see nothing more than the fix in front of them. JK> Then we might see an end to the pressure to build more and JK> more prisons which should not be needed at all. Utopia is a great place. JK> Oh yes, stop drugging the school kids for administrative JK> convenience. Back to that problem with authority. Drugging children is a decision made between the parents and the doctor. I have yet to meet a principle who is licensed to prescribe and dispense drugs. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: The Pit... Have You Dropped In Lately ?? (601)393-0512 (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2T00003Date: 02/23/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 08:56pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 0 times) Subj: ??? What happened to the educated masses ?? Where did these knee-jerk finger pointers come from and how many left because of their blatant stupidity towards ADD/ADHD ?? The echo has turned into ritalinaphobia. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: The Pit... Have You Dropped In Lately ?? (601)393-0512 (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2U00000Date: 02/24/98 From: ZACH SPIER Time: 06:24am \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Help! Ideas Needed. JP> Back to that problem with authority. Drugging children is a decision made JP> between the parents and the doctor. I have yet to meet a principle who is JP> licensed to prescribe and dispense drugs. I've hard that quite often the proscess goes something like this: Teacher gets annoyed by kid who acts out in class. Teacher tells parent that kid needs ritalin. Parent goes to general practicioner or pediatrician, who perscribes ritalin. I don't think most people in general medicine should be giving people psychotropic drugs. --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: (1:105/215) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2U00001Date: 02/24/98 From: FRANK SWARBRICK Time: 03:28pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Alternitive to ridalin Hi everyone.I am writting you this message to tell you about a product that I am selling that is an alternitive to ridalin.The products that I sell are herbal products.The company that i am an independent distributor for has a few erbal products for add and adhd.They have had excelent results from these products.And the best thing is these products are herbal products so there is no side effects.For more info on these products or any of the other herbal products i sell please leave me a email message on this bbs.or you can leave me an email message at www.herbs.n.such@juno.com The company that I am an independent distributor for is also looking for other peaple to become independent distributors.There is an excelent income pertential doing this.For more info on becomming an independent distributor leave me a message on this bbs or at www.herbs.n.such@juno.com and i will be sure to get back to you. Later Frank Frank Swarbrick ... A student who changes the course of history is probably taking an exam. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Nude Beach Party (1:141/356) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2U00002Date: 02/22/98 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 06:59pm \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin JOHN PUMMILL was thinking about Ritalin and keyed into cyberspace: JP>MP> JP> When prescribed right it works as it should. When improperly JP>MP> JP>prescribed problems are due to occur. Your doctor, not the JP>MP> JP>medication is to blame. JP>MP> Exactly. JP> You know, a little common sense from the "educated" would go a JP>loooong way. What continues to amaze me is the "know-nothings" who pontificate about ADHD. I recently posted a message in the usenet group for ADHD which was entitled "Lease and ADHDer". I really liked my no refund and penalty for early return policies. :) The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2U00003Date: 02/22/98 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 07:02pm \/To: JOHN PUMMILL (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin 2/ JOHN PUMMILL was thinking about Ritalin 2/ and keyed into cyberspace: JP>MP> JP> Does the battle ever end... School district has not put JP>MP> JP>their new 504 into place, a year and an OCR complaint later. JP>MP> JP>Filing the second one this week. JP>MP> Sorry to hear that. I am beginning to think that graduation JP>MP> is the only JP>MP> cure for administrators. JP> Remember that the school he was attending... the principle has ZERO JP>hours in special education. Heck. My son's JHS had a "special ed assistant principal" who has two masters, one in spec ed, one in spec ed admin. When I called him last may and warned him that my son was going to be assaulted again, he ignored me. For twenty four hours, that is. Two kids got suspended. The assistant principal asked me how I knew. I told him that I was the only one who understood the dynamics from days one. He did not disagree. JP>MP> The principal I cannot stand the most is retiring in June. I JP>MP> am JP>MP> contributing to the gift. I want to make sure she does not JP>MP> come back. JP> Wish more would do it. You probably understand the term I coined: educrat. The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2U00004Date: 02/23/98 From: MARK PROBERT Time: 08:22pm \/To: WAYNE YOUNG (Read 0 times) Subj: Ritalin 2/ WAYNE YOUNG was thinking about Ritalin 2/ and keyed into cyberspace: WY> -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Wayne Young <=- WY> JK> @TID: IMAIL-386 1.85+ PK29 WY> JK> @MSGID: 1:138/255@FIDONET 4ed56b0d WY> JK> @PID: JCQWK 2.02 Rev A WY> WY> JK> Ritalin can retard growth in children by disrupting the WY> WY> JK> cycles of growth hormone released by the pituitary gland. WY> WY> WY>You are right on track, Jane, nice research! WY> WY> WY>I may add that anyone with a seizure disorder should NOT use WY> WY>Ritalin, and the doctor should be so informed. Ignore the medical research that says just the opposite. WY> JK> Try telling that to the public school system in this state. All WY> JK> children who do not fit into a narrow little group must be WY> JK> medicated to compensate for the lousy state the schools are in. WY>And some lousy parents made the lousy state in the school WY>possible - by believing it the best thing since sliced bread! WY>And after 33 years, some parent still hold the old views... Blaming parents is old. Got a new act? Are you the Wayne Young from ALTMED? The Few. The Proud. The Chosen. markprobe@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2V00000Date: 02/25/98 From: ALAN RACKMILL Time: 09:33am \/To: FRANK SWARBRICK (Read 0 times) Subj: Alternitive to ridalin Frank Swarbrick wrote in a message to All: FS> Hi everyone.I am writting you this message to tell you about FS> a product that I am selling that is an alternitive to FS> ridalin. Hell, in some cases a cup of coffee can replace Ritilan. FS> The products that I sell are herbal products.The FS> company that i am an independent distributor for has a few FS> herbal products for add and adhd.They have had excelent FS> results from these products.And the best thing is these FS> products are herbal products so there is no side effects. Not quite accurate there. Just because it is "herbal" doesn't mean it can't have side effects. Good or bad. FS> For more info on these products or any of the other herbal FS> products i sell please leave me a email message on this FS> bbs.or you can leave me an email message at FS> www.herbs.n.such@juno.com FS> The company that I am an independent distributor for FS> is also looking for other peaple to become independent FS> distributors.There is an excelent income pertential doing FS> this.For more info on becomming an FS> independent distributor leave me a message on this bbs or at FS> www.herbs.n.such@juno.com and i will be sure to get back to FS> you. Later Frank Personally, I would prefer you take your snake oil and sales recruiting pitch to the appropriate venue: The trash bin. FS> Frank Swarbrick FS> ... A student who changes the course of history is probably FS> taking an exam. FS> ___ Maximus 3.01 FS> - Origin: The Nude Beach Party (1:141/356) Alan Team OS/2, Fidonet 1:107/101, ibmNET 40:4371/101, OS2NET 80:135/15 internet: alanrackmill@mindspring.com --- timEd/2 1.01 * Origin: The Maven's Roost * MAX/2 * WARP * v.34 1-908-821-4533 1:107/101) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2V00001Date: 02/25/98 From: JOHN PUMMILL Time: 07:59pm \/To: ZACH SPIER (Read 0 times) Subj: Help! Ideas Needed. ZS> I've hard that quite often the proscess goes something like ZS> this: Teacher ZS> gets annoyed by kid who acts out in class. Teacher tells ZS> parent that kid ZS> needs ritalin. Parent goes to general practicioner or ZS> pediatrician, who ZS> perscribes ritalin. 1. Is this an unruly child or lazy parents ?? I deal with lazy parents every soccer season. 2. It is the parents responsability to choose a competent care giver. ZS> I don't think most people in general medicine should be ZS> giving people ZS> psychotropic drugs. Exactly. There is much testing to be done before a diagnosis rendered and medication dispensed. --- FMail 0.94 * Origin: The Pit... Have You Dropped In Lately ?? (601)393-0512 (1:123/30) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: F2V00002Date: 02/25/98 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 08:12pm \/To: ZACH SPIER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Help! Ideas Needed. [Feb 24, 98 - 06:24] Zach Spier of 1:105/215 wrote to John Pummill: ZS> I've hard that quite often the proscess goes something like this: Teacher Have you seen this? Just because you hear something often doesn't mean it is true, merely that it gets repeated because it sounds good. The "Good News" virus, the poodle in the microwave, the kidney-stealers at the airport, all are examples. Jerry Schwartz --- Msged/386 4.00 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928)