--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDC00001Date: 09/07/97 From: GREG HORWITZ Time: 08:42am \/To: KETIRA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Need Info > -=> Did Ketira say this to Greg? <=- Sorry Ketira, I had to steal the above :) It's almost as good as the one I saw that says: A voice in my head sounded like Ketira when it said:." > GH> ... Could you please give me a number where I can get more > GH> information. Not to mention just giving me some. I'm really > GH> excited, but as you can imagine, confused and a bit scared because > GH> of not knowing what to do regarding this. > Check your local hospitals to see if any of them have programs for ADD; > that's a good starting point. Great idea! I've seen listings of all sorts of groups in the hospital. I _will_ check. > Also... you may want to get the book _You Mean, I'm not Lazy, Stupid, > or Crazy?!_ from your local bookstore. It's a good self-help book for > those with ADD that is centered on the people who are reading it. (The > authors are two women who have ADD. :) By Providence I met one of the ministers of my church who told me that she has add. She recommended this book among others. > Luck to you, & blessings too! As to you too as well. BTW, regarding the name you used on the note to the moderator. It's beautiful, what's it's meaning? Pax, Gregory --- RBBSMail v18.2 * Origin: YANKEEGOLD BBS, W HARTFORD, CT, USA (860)232-5377 (1:142/377.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDC00002Date: 09/07/97 From: GREG HORWITZ Time: 08:46am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: New York Times Articl Thanks Mark for the great article. It really helped me see me. Yup I'm a carbon copy of the descriptions. Greg --- RBBSMail v18.2 * Origin: YANKEEGOLD BBS, W HARTFORD, CT, USA (860)232-5377 (1:142/377.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDE00000Date: 09/09/97 From: GREG HORWITZ Time: 08:22am \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Rxs > The usual argument I've heard in favor of herbal supplements is that > in addition to the main ingredient (the vitamin C in rose hips, for > example) they include other compounds which do things the chemically > pure vitamins do not. You seem to be saying that the more complex > natural compounds would have fewer, rather than more, side effects and > I don't understand that. > > Jerry Schwartz > Hi Jerry, Sorry to but in, however although I'm not fully aware of medicine and herbals I've heard of companies like Rexall that have a huge line of Herbal remedies. I think one of the reason is not only for the obvious sales of the product outright but also of the fact of the lack of intrusive side effects. Many of the medicines that we take are docile but many that we do _can_ effect us powerfully. I don't know if the claims that these are capable of getting people off of ritelin (sp?) or others is valid. So many people throw the baby out with the bath water. Finally, M.D.s are working with chiropractors, not all but many are. This type of awarness is giving us open doors. Greg --- RBBSMail v18.2 * Origin: YANKEEGOLD BBS, W HARTFORD, CT, USA (860)232-5377 (1:142/377.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDE00001Date: 09/09/97 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 09:20pm \/To: GREG HORWITZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Rxs [Sep 09, 97 - 08:22] Greg Horwitz of 1:142/377 wrote to Jerry Schwartz: GH> Sorry to but in, however although I'm not fully aware of medicine and GH> herbals I've heard of companies like Rexall that have a huge line of GH> Herbal remedies. I think one of the reason is not only for the obvious GH> sales of the product outright but also of the fact of the lack of GH> intrusive side effects. Many of the medicines that we take are docile GH> but many that we do _can_ effect us powerfully. I don't know if the GH> claims that these are capable of getting people off of ritelin (sp?) or GH> others is valid. I wouldn't assume that Rexall is selling herbals because they are good for you: they sell liquor, potato chips, and candy as well and they all have negative side effects to varying degrees. They aren't passing judgment on the value, they just calculate that they can sell them at a profit. The same applies to prescription medications as well, of course. Jerry Schwartz --- Msged/386 4.00 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDF00000Date: 09/09/97 From: KETIRA Time: 06:11pm \/To: GREG HORWITZ (Read 0 times) Subj: ADD....and my name. -=> Did Greg Horwitz say this to Ketira? <=- > -=> Did Ketira say this to Greg? <=- GH> Sorry Ketira, I had to steal the above :) GH> It's almost as good as the one I saw that says: A voice in my head GH> sounded like Ketira when it said:." Go right ahead. As Oscar Wilde put it: "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." <: > Check your local hospitals to see if any of them have programs for > ADD; that's a good starting point. GH> Great idea! I've seen listings of all sorts of groups in the GH> hospital. I _will_ check. That's how I got in touch with my therapist in the first place: Mom called one of the hospitals in Knoxville, who recommended us to this place in the west part of town, who in turn recommended us to my therapist here in Sevier county. See how helpful they can be? :> > Also... you may want to get the book _You Mean, I'm not Lazy, Stupid, > or Crazy?!_ from your local bookstore. It's a good self-help book > for those with ADD that is centered on the people who are reading it. > (The authors are two women who have ADD. :) GH> By Providence I met one of the ministers of my church who told me that GH> she has add. She recommended this book among others. Are you sure that was providence? :> GH> ...BTW, regarding the name you used on the note GH> to the moderator. It's beautiful, what's it's meaning? BTW, this got out! :> As for my name: well..... it comes from the Icelandic word for "cat" as I'm so cat-like! (and you're not the first gent who has told me that...... ::chuckle:: What *is* it about you guys and wierd names like mine? :) Blessings, Ketira ... Every flower that blooms goes through a lot of dirt to get there. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Paradise Online {423}429-4623 0r 429-2221 (1:3615/82) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDF00001Date: 09/09/97 From: KETIRA Time: 06:11pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: alternative Rxs -=> Did Jerry Schwartz say this to Ketira? <=- JS> The usual argument I've heard in favor of herbal supplements is that JS> in addition to the main ingredient (the vitamin C in rose hips, for JS> example) they include other compounds which do things the chemically JS> pure vitamins do not. You seem to be saying that the more complex JS> natural compounds would have fewer, rather than more, side effects and JS> I don't understand that. Think of it this way: Before we had supplements, people ate the vitamin at its source --and to continue your example: Sailors would keep oranges on their ships to fight scurvy, which is a *defiency* of Vitamin C. MHO: Herbal remedies are easier on the body's biosystem than pharmacutical (sp) supplements would be. I was looking for an alternate to dexedrine that wouldn't raise my BP so much the way dexedrine does. I *need* either of them to help me focus; I just don't want some of the nasty side effects. Hope this helps you understand..... Blessings, Ketira ... 'May your life be interesting'---Shin'a'in curse ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: Paradise Online {423}429-4623 0r 429-2221 (1:3615/82) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDM00000Date: 09/15/97 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 07:35pm \/To: DARREN LECOMBER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Rxs [Sep 13, 97 - 12:50] Darren Lecomber of 3:770/245 wrote to Jerry Schwartz: DL> I'm not to sure what you lot are talking about but my wife sells Enchante DL> which is all natual.I would rather use this than medications from the DL> doctor DL> because it works better than normal drugs I am skeptical about herbal remedies as a general rule, but I like to hear people's rational for preferring them. If something your wife sells works well for you, I have no quarrel with that. I raise an eyebrow when someone starts saying that herbals are better than medications in general, however. I try not to pick a fight: if the person has some explanation other than faith, I like to hear it; if not, I try to leave their faith alone. Jerry Schwartz --- Msged/386 4.00 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDM00001Date: 09/11/97 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 09:11pm \/To: KETIRA (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: alternative Rxs [Sep 09, 97 - 18:11] Ketira of 1:3615/82 wrote to Jerry Schwartz: JS>> The usual argument I've heard in favor of herbal supplements is that JS>> in addition to the main ingredient (the vitamin C in rose hips, for JS>> example) they include other compounds which do things the chemically JS>> pure vitamins do not. You seem to be saying that the more complex JS>> natural compounds would have fewer, rather than more, side effects and JS>> I don't understand that. K> Think of it this way: Before we had supplements, people ate the vitamin K> at its source --and to continue your example: Sailors would keep oranges K> on their ships to fight scurvy, which is a *defiency* of Vitamin C. Before we had fire, we ate meat raw. Before we had chemically-produced dietary additives, goiter was common. Before we had modern medicine, people died of things we can easily cure today. It would seem that you are arguing that pharmaceuticals are inferior to prepared supplements, which in turn are inferior to the raw leaves and roots. If you think preparation is ipso-facto bad, look up where tapioca comes from. K> MHO: Herbal remedies are easier on the body's biosystem than armacutical Only if the bioavailability is lower, I would think. I suppose that something which required digestion to release its active ingredient would have a "timed release" effect. K> (sp) supplements would be. I was looking for an alternate to dexedrine K> that wouldn't raise my BP so much the way dexedrine does. I *need* either K> of them to help me focus; I just don't want some of the nasty side fects. Lower doses might do it, but probably a different medication is in order (whether or not it grows on trees). K> Hope this helps you understand..... I am unpersuaded, so we should probably just drop it. I didn't mean to tease, I just like to hear differing opinions when I find someone who can express one without starting a rant. Jerry Schwartz --- Msged/386 4.00 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDM00002Date: 09/13/97 From: DARREN LECOMBER Time: 12:50pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Rxs JS> I wouldn't assume that Rexall is selling herbals because they are good or JS> you: they sell liquor, potato chips, and candy as well and they all have JS> negative side effects to varying degrees. They aren't passing judgment on JS> value, they just calculate that they can sell them at a profit. JS> JS> The same applies to prescription medications as well, of course. JS> JS> Jerry Schwartz I'm not to sure what you lot are talking about but my wife sells Enchante which is all natual.I would rather use this than medications from the doctor because it works better than normal drugs --- xMail 1.00 * Origin: Murphy's BBS 64 3 3519020 Christchurch N.Z. (3:770/245) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: EDN00000Date: 09/18/97 From: DARREN LECOMBER Time: 10:53pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Alternative Rxs DL> I'm not to sure what you lot are talking about but my wife sells Enchante DL> which is all natual.I would rather use this than medications from the DL> doctor DL> because it works better than normal drugs JS> JS> I am skeptical about herbal remedies as a general rule, but I like to ear JS> people's rational for preferring them. If something your wife sells orks JS> well for you, I have no quarrel with that. I raise an eyebrow when someone JS> starts saying that herbals are better than medications in general, however. JS> try not to pick a fight: if the person has some explanation other than fait JS> I like to hear it; if not, I try to leave their faith alone. JS> It's not faith they just work better for me than other medication.Thats all --- xMail 1.00 * Origin: Murphy's BBS 64 3 3519020 Christchurch N.Z. (3:770/245)