--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3F00001Date: 03/10/97 From: DESIREE LOUVRE Time: 09:12pm \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Learning Games... or som -=> Quoting Bob Moylan to Desiree Louvre <=- BM> Desiree Louvre (On 06 Mar 97) was overheard expounding to Regina BM> Finan DL> The learning games we have are not advanced enough for our son (Math DL> Rescue/Word Rescue) so maybe this will be the BM> I really liked both Math and Word Rescue for as far as they went... BM> helped Wm to grasp some of those basic concepts... too easily BM> mastered tho... Yeah.. my son just happened to do this in grade one... BM> Take a look at Mega Math Blaster from Davidson. It has many pre-set I have seen this one... we're going to try to track it down. Thanks. BM> $40.00 at Egghead Software - same price range as a Sega cartridge. BTW... this price is half of what Sega cartridges are going for here... usual price for a new game is $87-95.00!!! Last one we bought was 2 years ago... Take care, Desiree BM> ... "Who knows what secrets lurk in the hearts of aardvarks?" Certainly not I!!! ... Parent: How many times must I tell you? Kid: Six! ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: TASH Online Disability Resource 604 856-3661 (1:153/316) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3G00000Date: 03/09/97 From: JEREMY FINAN Time: 03:43am \/To: LUCIA JAMESON (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: pen-pal -=> Quoting Lucia Jameson to Jeremy Finan <=- -=> Quoting Jeremy Finan to All <=- JF> JF> Hello my name is Jeremy. I am ADHD. I would like to find a pen-pal JF> and I am 9 years old. I like computers, dinosaurs, taking things JF> apart and fixing bikes. I am also homeschooled. I have 1 brother and JF> 1 sister. I also have 1 half-sister and 3 half-brothers. I do not take JF> meds for my ADHD. I hope someone writes back. LJ> Hi Jeremy, LJ> Just wanted to let you know that your message got all the way to LJ> Dayton, Ohio. My oldest son is ADHD. He is 17 and a senior in high LJ> school. He is not on meds either. I also have a son who is ten years LJ> old. Do you or your parents have an e-mail address? If you do I can LJ> ask Kris (my 10 year old) if he would like to write to you. He likes LJ> dinosaurs, computers (especially computer games) video games, LJ> Goosebumps, and Animorphs. LJ> Take care! LJ> Lucy Jameson yes I have an email address: Jeremy.Finan@nlite.ack.mi.org This will come to my dad's bbs. Or you can use my dads at rfinan@voyager.net I would like to hear from your son. Thanks Jeremy ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3G00001Date: 03/09/97 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 01:18pm \/To: DESIREE LOUVRE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Behavior -=> Quoting Desiree Louvre to Regina Finan <=- -=> Quoting Regina Finan to All <=- DL> I have used the Sega Genesis for this in the past, but his father lets DL> him play just about whenever to keep our son distracted. It has gotten DL> to the point that he obsesses about the Sega in his dreams, at school, DL> playing in the back yard. I regret that we have the darned thing! I DL> have seen Sim City but never bothered to pick up the box... I think I I don't care much for Sega and the like. They usually only make destructive type games. Sim City is pretty good because it uses their creativity. DL> meds... Cory's behaviour has been steadily deter- iorating since before DL> Christmas. Here we go again. I dread the weaning off period. :( DL> Cory is on Clonidine for ODD as well as Nortriptyline for the ADHD. DL> Lord knows what will be next since we have tried Ritalin (3 times), DL> Pemoline, Imipramine, and Thioridazine. The problem Cory has had with DL> alot of meds is that he is hypersensitive to begin with, alot of the DL> meds exagerate this condition... which is why the Nortriptyline was DL> chosen. It doesn't play havoc with these sensitivities. Do you know of My children are on nothing. Like kids on meds they have their good days and their bad. Jeremy is also ODD but he is slowly getting the picture on what I expect. Actually he is becoming better lately. Of course, its probably just a phase and he will probably show his colors anytime now. DL> any children who are taking prozac? What were the results? It is an DL> option because I am on it and it has worked wonderfully for me for 3 DL> years now. I don't know of any, but I heard and mind you this is only rumor, that if their is a streak of violence in your personality that prozac is not the choice drug. Then again I know of two adults taking it with violent streaks and it works great. Go figure. Try to remember that winter is a bad time for these kids. Even though they can go out some it still isn't good nough. Seasonal depression is usually noted in the winter months so his behavior could be because of the winter. I can't tell what state you are in by the origin line. I would have to look it up in the nodelist, but if the state has real winter I bet this is his problem. Believe it or not sunshine plays a role in our mental stability. And no matter what kind of things there are to do in the house it is not the same thing. DL> I'm gonna try the Uno and some other memory/concentration games too! DL> Thanks for the tips. :) I know several people using these methods and it has proved helpful. Good Luck. Regina ... All I need is a Wave and a board to surf it on. --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00000Date: 03/11/97 From: DESIREE LOUVRE Time: 02:46pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: any ideas????? Hi all... I wonder if anyone has any suggestions for this problem we've been having in regards to the way our 18 year old bosses around my 7 year old who is ADHD. David (the 18 year old) likes to throw his weight around especially when it comes to Cory (the 7 year old). When we are trying to discipline Cory for something David feels it is his 'right' to get his 2 cents worth in also. It gets extremely irritating, not to mention that Cory now feels like everyone is picking on him and bossing him around. We have told David repeatedly to butt out and that the discipline is up to his father and I AND when it comes right down to it, it is none of his business why Cory got into trouble in the first place. He doesn't see the problem. Some mornings around here get ballistic when I have told David to just worry about getting himself ready for school and mind his own business. HIS behavior disrupts the whole household, sometimes *more* than Cory's does. My anxiety is what is all of this doing to Cory???? I know how he feels because he has no problems expressing this, especially when he gets frustrated. David won't lay off. The other part of the problem is David has all these rules he expects Cory to abide by... one of them being that Cory has to knock first before he goes into David's room. This rule is not the problem... the problem is David doesn't follow his own rules. He never knocks before entering Cory's room, or mine for that matter. We can't have him babysit a whole lot because he always ends up banishing Cory to his room the whole time we are gone. If Cory doesn't move fast enough for David's liking, such as the day the sitter told Cory to shut off the Sega... when he didn't respond right away, (David happened to be home sick that day), David figured the sitter wasn't going to do anything about it and got in Cory's face and started yelling at him. By the time I got home Cory was so upset he fell asleep. (He does this when he gets highly emotional and frustrated.) David also treats his sister alot nicer and kinder than Cory. Always. If she does the same 'misdemeanor' as Cory, David will pass it off and even when he doesn't he chastises her alot more nicely than he does Cory. I, personally would rather him not try to discipline either one of the younger two in the first place, but my talking, demanding and finally ranting hasn't gotten this problem fixed. Any suggestions... other than kicking out the 18 year old. He's planning on moving out with his girlfriend sometime in April (if the relationship lasts that long), but in the meantime, he will still be here throwing his weight around. Desiree ... The difference between stupidity and genius: genius has it's limits. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: TASH Online Disability Resource 604 856-3661 (1:153/316) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00001Date: 03/12/97 From: RAYMOND MARTIN Time: 02:14pm \/To: DESIREE LOUVRE (Read 1 times) Subj: any ideas????? *** Quoting Desiree Louvre to All dated 03-11-97 *** > Hi all... > > I wonder if anyone has any suggestions for this problem we've been > having > in regards to the way our 18 year old bosses around my 7 year old who > is > ADHD. > > David (the 18 year old) likes to throw his weight around especially > when > it comes to Cory (the 7 year old). When we are trying to discipline > Cory > for something David feels it is his 'right' to get his 2 cents worth in > also. It gets extremely irritating, not to mention that Cory now feels > like everyone is picking on him and bossing him around. We have told > David repeatedly to butt out and that the discipline is up to his > father > and I AND when it comes right down to it, it is none of his business > why Cory got into trouble in the first place. He doesn't see the > problem. > Some mornings around here get ballistic when I have told David to just > worry about getting himself ready for school and mind his own business. > HIS behavior disrupts the whole household, sometimes *more* than Cory's > does. My anxiety is what is all of this doing to Cory???? I know how he > feels because he has no problems expressing this, especially when he > gets > frustrated. David won't lay off. The other part of the problem is David > has all these rules he expects Cory to abide by... one of them being > that > Cory has to knock first before he goes into David's room. This rule is > not the problem... the problem is David doesn't follow his own rules. > He > never knocks before entering Cory's room, or mine for that matter. We > can't have him babysit a whole lot because he always ends up banishing > Cory to his room the whole time we are gone. If Cory doesn't move fast > enough for David's liking, such as the day the sitter told Cory to shut > off the Sega... when he didn't respond right away, (David happened to > be > home sick that day), David figured the sitter wasn't going to do > anything > about it and got in Cory's face and started yelling at him. By the time > I got home Cory was so upset he fell asleep. (He does this when he gets > highly emotional and frustrated.) David also treats his sister alot > nicer > and kinder than Cory. Always. If she does the same 'misdemeanor' as > Cory, > David will pass it off and even when he doesn't he chastises her alot > more nicely than he does Cory. I, personally would rather him not try > to discipline either one of the younger two in the first place, but my > talking, demanding and finally ranting hasn't gotten this problem > fixed. > > Any suggestions... other than kicking out the 18 year old. He's > planning > on moving out with his girlfriend sometime in April (if the > relationship > lasts that long), but in the meantime, he will still be here throwing > his > weight around. > > Desiree > > > ... The difference between stupidity and genius: genius has it's > limits. Well what you need to do is lay down the law...does he use one of your cars...take the keys away if he does not change his ways...try to get help from a counciler...and when it comes down to it let him know that if he does not change his ways soon he will have to leave...that way you are not kicking him out he will do it him self because of the way he is acting...does he have a job? Stafflex@Juno.com --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Wizards Realm BBS 1-713-946-7315 1:106/7315 (1:106/7315) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00002Date: 03/12/97 From: GWENNA BOWERS Time: 09:08am \/To: STEVE KRUZICH (Read 1 times) Subj: ADHD ->Has anyone there considered that the child might be bored? I ->found that my ->two sons that have ADHD were absorbing the information and ->getting bored when ->the teacher didn't move on. This is my son to a "T". I kept tell the teachers that he was board and his grades (I am going back several years here) showed that he knew the stuff. I temporaly solved the board part by enrolling him in a magnet school (these schools have classes geared to harder stuff) the one he was in was advanced in Math (his favort subject), science (sort of next to favort subject) and computers (his growing favort subject). He was in this school for two years (4th and 5th grade) before graduating to middle school. The only middle school he was interested in was to far away for us even though the school board supplied the bus I was worried about if I had to go get him if he was sick or injured and I usually don't have the car unless I had plans for one that day. That school by the way was giving the begining basics for pre-law and pre-med and Robert was into the pre-law part. I had to withdraw him from that school and inroll him in the local school and even though they saw his grades they plased him in regular level classes and his grads fell becasue he was board. I tried explaing this to the school but the advanced classes were all full. This year a week before school started and the classes were being formed I called and spoke to his counsler and he remembered Robert and said that he would try to get him into the advanced classes as the computer showed that he was again assigned to regualer classes. I asked for at least math. I was shocked to say the least when he came home the first day and showed me his classes. All advance except PE and one called Research. He has been getting Bs and Cs which showes that he now has to pay attation to what the teacher is saying every day. I am almost glad that he is not getting straight As and that is with no studing. If he was getting all As then I would throw in the towel as I would have no idea on how to get him to study at home. --- * Origin: Master Control BBS New area Code (954)*964*1247 (1:369/118) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00003Date: 03/11/97 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 12:45pm \/To: DESIREE LOUVRE (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Punishment -=> Quoting Desiree Louvre to Regina Finan <=- -=> Quoting Regina Finan to Mark Probert <=- DL> Hi Regina, DL> Yes, it is sad. Don't you think that coming into the year 2000 that DL> the school system needs to (finally) adapt to ALL special needs There is a rise of parents homeschooling now and I feel that the school system is now starting to feel threatened. Not just because parents are starting to pull their kids out of school, but because we have choice education here (in Michigan at least). You can put your children in another school district. This is making some of the school districts start to wake up. When I pulled my kids out, I didn't even get a reply to my letter I had sent them. Zippo. No concern, no questions, nada. But I found out that 3 or 4 more parents did the same thing. Their money is based on how many kids are there. And if they haven't woken up by now they will in a year or so. I am not saying that everyone should pull their kids out of school, but I am saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". DL> children? And then what about the other kids (not many of them) who DL> just enjoy causing problems but have no signs of ADHD/ADD or anything DL> else. They just like rocking the boat because it is fun. They tear DL> apart routines too but seem to be forgotten when it comes to an ADHD DL> child and the staff reacts like they have never had behavior like this DL> before! (yeah, right... there's that selective memory again!) What Most kids who's behavior is questionable are considered "bad kids". They do not consider there is a disorder. I have found that a child who behaves unappropriate and the parents do nothing or say nothing are problems, those of us who care and squeak the wheel generally have kids with disorders. You would think they could tell the difference. But because we insist on them seeing that they fight tooth and nail. The year 2000 is only 3 years away. I don't think you are going to see massive improvements, but I will say I do see some changes taken place. I think it is going to take another 10 years until that generation of educational bureaucrats are replaced by the more knowledgable and aware educators. DL> drives me absolutely batty is here in Burnaby it says on the jacket of DL> the report card... "The purpose of BC's School System is to DL> enable all learners to develop their individual potential and DL> to acquire the know- ledge, skills, and attitudes needed to DL> contribute to a healthy, democratic and pluralistic society and DL> a prosperous and sustain- able economy." Yes, I have seen many of the so called statements educators give. I truly believe for the most part they mean it, unfortunately we still have dis- crimination based on handicaps here. Hopefully it will change. Regina ... "Transporter chief Louvre, beam the landing party to the bridge" --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00004Date: 03/11/97 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 02:03pm \/To: STEVE KRUZICH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: ADHD -=> Quoting Steve Kruzich to Regina Finan <=- SK> Has anyone there considered that the child might be bored? I found SK> that my two sons that have ADHD were absorbing the information and SK> getting bored when the teacher didn't move on. SK> Only problem is that when you have a ki That is another insight. But looking at her posts I tend to believe its a motivation problem. Even a bored child will show some good grades in the beginning. She just is not trying at all and is showing a lack of interest all together. Regina ... A feature is a bug with seniority. --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00005Date: 03/11/97 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 02:08pm \/To: STEVE KRUZICH (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Card Games -=> Quoting Steve Kruzich to Stephen Kirkpatrick <=- SK> sons, two of which have ADHD. The second oldest has it extreamly bad, SK> and has at times been extreamly cruel to other people. I walked out one SK> day and the kids were swimming with the neighbors kids, and he was SK> holding one of the kids head under water. I immediately rescued the SK> child, and made sure the child was ok. I grounded him for a week for SK> that incident, and then he pulled another stunt that was physically SK> violent to one of his brothers. He was about 7 years old at this SK> time. Have you ever considered that the child may have a second disorder such as ODD (Oppositional Defiant Disorder). That extreme violence usually does not accompany ADHD to that extreme. Just a thought. SK> The point of all this is that Having to deal with problems of self SK> esteem, is the numberone problem with the ADHD. Hell, the SK> concentration problem seems mild to me compared to the psychological SK> trauma that comes with it. This destruction of self esteem comes from SK> constantly being in trouble for everything you do, Other kids treating SK> you like your a freak, constantly gaining disapproval from your SK> teachers and leaders. That one is major. I am speaking from SK> experience. Yes children with ADD/ADHD can have severe pschological problems, but because you understand that I am sure its not anything you are doing to help it along. Is he getting alot of it at school? Being picked on and such? I will not hesitate again to say that this behavior is not common to ADHD. Physical violence to a degree such as hitting, kicking, pushing and usually in defense such as relatiation to being picked on or cornered. You may want to rethink the self-esteem problem and look into some other problems too. My Jeremy is 9 and is ADHD/ODD. Acts of violence are still usually in retaliation, but will include stabbing with a pencil and outright disobed- ience to authority with little regard to what he has done. He also can not deal with his emotions and assumes the role of Mr. Macho Man. He is a eader not a follower and many ADHD children are followers. ODD children are not. Many ADHD children have more than just that. Some also accompany it with Manic Depression. I am ADD myself, have a 12 year old with ADD possible manic depression, a 22 year old with Manic Depression (possible ADD), and the one above, including a gifted girl who is a perfectionist and cronic complainer (who can't stop talking). She is the easy one to raise. Anyways, I was wondering if you had ever considered the possibility of another disorder being present. Regina SK> Anyway, I am having difficulty remembering what I wanted to say :> so SK> I will write later when I remember. SK> -!- AdeptXBBS v1.08a26 (VC) (Registered) SK> ! Origin: AdeptXBBS 1.07f <1-706-867-6774> (1:133/8) ... "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." - L. Long --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E3H00006Date: 03/11/97 From: CJ HOPPMAN Time: 08:53am \/To: MOONSHADOW (Read 1 times) Subj: ADHD Well i can tell you that as a child growing up with ADhD that it is a pain...after you hit about 20 you start to get the chemical balance that the rest of the world has had then it is a wholle different ball game , as for disipline.just treat her with love and kindness,mayhaps for her self esteem you should really think of thinks to boost her morale,(i.e if she passes in school she receives a gift of (any siblings?)just a day or two with you and her,then while you have her you can get to know her real well...i hope this helps,i you need some help or you think im just crazy,let me know...ok?