--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00009Date: 01/24/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:47am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Adhd....76 MP>JK{ I have papers on file here dating back to the 1970's on remedial MP>JK{ diets. There is no reason at all why others cannot look for them and MP>JK{ find them. MP>This sounds like an invitation to a "Let's go through Jane's papers MP>party". You find your own way of getting the same information I have. I've told you exactly how to do that and I also have mentioned the current searches I am doing on the net. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00010Date: 01/24/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:47am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholism MP>Drugging people against their will? This sounds terrible, by golly. MP>Those poor people who were incarcerated against their will and then fed MP>highly processed, nutritionally deficient TV dinners. The result was that the chronic drunks in that town did much better than the same kind of chronic drunks did seen later on in Tacoma and Seattle. The Alaskan drunks were a lot calmer when they were discharged from jail than the drunks were when discharged from the detox unit in Tacoma. Empirical medicine does work, Mark. * SLMR 2.1a * On a clear disk you can seek forever --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00011Date: 01/24/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:47am \/To: JOHN PRATHER (Read 1 times) Subj: Alcoholism JP> JK> Just what in blue blazes do you think "selective breeding" is all JP> JK> about, John, if not to attempt to provide some form of mutation or JP> JK> change in the genetic makeup of some animal or plant? JP>I agree that selective breeding is the selective addition or JP>retraction of certain mutant strains in a species. I doubt that the JP>adhd strain is recent though. The copy of the DSM III I have costs me around $15. The DSM IV is four times as large and costs around $45. The increase in mental health diagnoses seems to concur with the increase of drug use in this nation. We don't like to think of genetic mutation in this nation, we avoid doing so at all cost. Including that of the well being of our children. * SLMR 2.1a * Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00012Date: 01/24/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:47am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Caffine MP>JK{ That figures. The lack of knowledge perpetuated by most of them MP>JK{ remains astounding. We do have places such as Stanford where the MP>JK{ truth is beginning to emerge in the brain imagary being done there MP>JK{ as diagnosis. MP>Jane, I was referring to places which you claimed were in the MP>forefront of human knowledge. They are YOUR authorities! You claim that MP>are the fountains of knowledge where hope springs eternal. Now you trash MP>them. Of course, you cut that part out of the reply. Selective snippage. Haven't trashed a damn thing. I can see the progression of knowledge from the letters of Dr. Silkworth on allergies in the 1939 Big Bool of A.A. up to the papers of Blum and his collegues as well as the knowledge in the mental illness field in neuropsychiatry. Can you? * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline is umop apisdn --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00013Date: 01/24/97 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 09:47am \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Caffine RF> I don't think so. I have explained to you in other post that I esearched RF> and outweighed the result you talked about. The computer has nothing to RF> do with our subject of ADHD. And by the way, I probably know much more RF> about computers than you. There was an entire issue of Scientific American published back around 1975, I think, about the research in the computer field that led to the development of the desktop computer. It was facinating to me and I regretted then, for the first time as an adult, having gotten out of studying chemistry as a teenager. Diet was mentioned then. That issue revolutionized treatment of alcoholism and addiction. It was followed by another issue about the human cell, so many articles on the finite things that go on there. I could only read through them and wait for someone who had taken chemistry to write other papers on them. I think that is why I pay attention today. Because I outsmarted myself by being so bullheaded. And I see others doing the same thing I did today. Refusing to entertain the idea of learning anything new as I did chemistry so long ago either because they are lazy or ignorant. * SLMR 2.1a * hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY? --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00014Date: 01/22/97 From: WILLIAM BURLEIGH Time: 05:37pm \/To: MARIE WEIDEMANN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hi There. -=> Quoting Marie Weidemann to William Burleigh <=- WB> Hi there. My name is William and I to have a 13 year old that is ADD. WB> He has been in special education for years and on various types of WB> medication. My wife and I have endured 13 years of difficult times with WB> my son and there seems at times to be NO Light at the end of the WB> tunnel. I am really glad to find this base and when I have a little WB> more time I will read the other posts in more detail. Right now I just WB> wanted to say Hi and Keep Up The Posting. MW> Hi William and welcome...you will find others here with a lot of the MW> same difficulties that you are experienceing...It is good to know MW> that one is not alone...welcome, once again.... MW> Marie Thank you so much for the welcome. I really am grateful to discover this ase. There are times that our son's ADD is so dominant in our lives that it really causes rifts in our family. I have a wonderful wife and 4 (Including Chris) wonderful kids that I happily devote 1000% of my love to. Recently however I was given the ultimatum by by wife that if our son Chris doesn't stop disres pecting her because he questions literally everything she/We/Anyone says to him then she is leaving and I am really torn up about that. Well this is not a good time to continue this. More to follow. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: The Country Owl BBS *519-693-7152* (1:2401/504) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00015Date: 01/22/97 From: WILLIAM BURLEIGH Time: 05:38pm \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hi There. -=> Quoting Bob Moylan to William Burleigh <=- BM> William Burleigh On (12 Jan 97) was overheard to say to All WB> Right now I just wanted to say Hi and Keep Up The Posting. BM> Hi William (Bill?)... BM> Welcome and please don't hesitate to jump in anytime you feel the BM> urge either to share experiences or ask a question BM> Bob BM> ... Smiles are contagious...and safe to share. Thanks so much and may I add that the Tagline is really appropriate right ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: The Country Owl BBS *519-693-7152* (1:2401/504) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00016Date: 01/22/97 From: WILLIAM BURLEIGH Time: 05:43pm \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: Hi There. -=> Quoting Regina Finan to William Burleigh <=- -=> Quoting William Burleigh to All <=- WB> Hi there. My name is William and I to have a 13 year old that is ADD. WB> He has been in special education for years and on various types of WB> medication. My wife and I have endured 13 years of difficult times with WB> my son and there seems at times to be NO Light at the end of the WB> tunnel. I am really glad to find this base and when I have a little WB> more time I will read the other posts in more detail. Right now I just WB> wanted to say Hi and Keep Up The Posting. RF> Good to hear from you. We like to hear from new people. I have a RF> son 12 who is ADD and one who is 9 and ADHD/ODD. I also have a RF> daughter who is 22 and Manic Depressive or Bi-Polar as they call it RF> now. I am also ADD and my husband could also be ADHD, but we don't RF> know that for sure. All of this runs in the family on both sides. Fun RF> it is. Well if you need to talk we are here and as always if you have RF> anything that seems to work for you guys, let us know. We love to RF> share ideas. RF> Regina I really appreciate the welcome and encouragement here. Have you ever had to deal with a child that argues with every thing that you say to them? What can I do when the problem has become so severe that my wife is threatening me hat she will leave if "I" don't get him under control and make him stop isrespect ing her just because he argues all the time? It's getting really scary at ome right now because I really don't know what to do. Helpppppppp Anyone got a suggestion?? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: The Country Owl BBS *519-693-7152* (1:2401/504) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00017Date: 01/22/97 From: WILLIAM BURLEIGH Time: 05:44pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 1 times) Subj: Re: HI THERE. -=> Quoting Mark Probert to William Burleigh <=- MP> WB{ Hi there. My name is William and I to have a 13 year old that is MP> WB{ ADD. He has been in special education for years and on various MP> types WB{ of medication. My wife and I have endured 13 years of MP> difficult WB{ times with my son and there seems at times to be NO Light MP> at the end WB{ of the tunnel. I am really glad to find this base and MP> when I have a WB{ little more time I will read the other posts in more MP> detail. Right WB{ now I just wanted to say Hi and Keep Up The Posting. MP> Hi William: MP> I have a thirteen year old, too. Mine is the "Josh" variety. A great MP> kid, who needs a bit of help. Mine is of the Christopher variety and however trying at times I feel the exact way about him. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: The Country Owl BBS *519-693-7152* (1:2401/504) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1U00018Date: 01/22/97 From: SHARON PRICE Time: 12:46am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 1 times) Subj: Adderall Gee whiz....I was hoping to find discussion by other parents of ADHD children about their problems with school, behaviors, how they are coping with them, etc. All I'm reading is personal attacks, insults thrown back and forth, being told that our family backgrounds must be questionable, and our children are deviant. Well, I don't buy any of it and I don't think it's useful. I hope some REAL discussion among parents will be found in here soon.... --- FMail 1.0g * Origin: Library Link BBS (317-641-2196) FidoNet (1:2255/230)