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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1Q00000Date: 01/20/97
From: MARYANN KOCHANKO                                      Time: 06:32pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: AD(H)D CHILDREN

 > I mean by "work over" that the school teachers haven't the faintest idea
 > of what to do with the kids that don't fit into a narrow mold, most of
 > them at any rate.
Jane, you are generalizing, I am not saying that it doesn't happen, but to 
say every child who is diagnosed with ADD , is just a kid whose teachers 
don't know how to teach is being very narrow minded and wrong.  My child went 
thru many doctors before we received a definitative diagnosis.  My son does 
not act as a zombie on Ritalin.  Why did he go from 4 D's and 1 C, to 4 A's 
and 1 B after beginging Ritalin?  A zombie would not be able to think enough 
to gain those scores.
> The local schools will find an excuse to discharge any kid who presents
 > more of a problem than they wish to cope with.
You sound like a very angry person, very much like my ex husband who is an 
alcoholic.
 > By slugging a kid down with drugs, he or she can be made to appear to
 > conform and thus is allowed to remain in school.
I have 3 children and only one has ADD.  Same parenting skills, as matter of 
fact Jon gets more attention than all of my children put together.  Do you 
really know what its like to have a ADD child?  How frustrated the child 
feels becuase he can't concentrate and perform like the rest of the children. 
 How he used to come home every night from school crying.  Have you ever been 
the sibling of an ADD child.  What is it like to have your toys constantly 
taken and broken, how mommy is always spending time with your ADD 
brother/sister and never you.  Do you know what its like to go to bed at 
night and not be able to sleep becuase your ADD child has constant insomnia.  
Oh, I used to lie down next to him to sleep, so that I wouldn't have to 
medicate him with Ritalin or anything, but for God's sake!  The kid is 9 
years old, he doesn't need to sleep with his mommy anymore.  He deserves to 
be able to rest at night, go to school and feel like he can learn and be 
somebody.  His teachers have said he has become more motivated in school and 
wants to do homework....before the Ritalin he used to shut down and sit in a 
corner of the classroom and just cry becuase he couldn't focus on his work.  
Jon is now starting to have a life and is becoming a well adjusted HAPPY 
young man.
> My daughter has enough medical knowledge and also access to the best
 > doctors around this area as an x-ray tech who does C.A.T. scans.  The
 > child is not going to be medicated for the convenience of some poor
 > teacher.
X-rays nor CAT scans are going to prove ADD, so what has that got to do with 
the picture?  My ex husband was ambivilant as you about Ritalin.  I left him 
for many reasons, one of them being I could not stand by and watch Jon suffer 
as he did without any help.  I tried all kinds of herbal preparations, 
behaviour modification techniques.  None of them worked.  I left my husband 
and said I don't care what you say, Jon is going to get help, what ever he 
has that is wrong or troubling him, I intend to find out and help.  No one 
should have to suffer like this.  One word of note, they are doing studies 
with PET scans that show that the nerve conduction and blood flow is 
decreased in the frontal lobe of the brain in those that suffer from ADHD.  
Ritalin stimulates the blood flow to this area.  The frontal lobe has control 
over the ability to
focus.
MaryAnn
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1Q00001Date: 01/20/97
From: MARYANN KOCHANKO                                      Time: 06:34pm
\/To: MARK PROBERT                                        (Read 1 times)
Subj: ADHD....76

 > JK{ I think that the ignorance lies in your refusal to find out for
 > JK{ yourself what I am talking about.  And if you are disturbed, it is
 > JK{ high time you do so instead of copping an attitude such as you
 > JK{ demonstrate here.
 > JK{ Ignorance is exactly why those children with Down's syndrome are
 > JK{ being permitted to grow up retarded in this nation.  And ignorance
 > JK{ is no excuse today at all for continuing to damage the brains of
 > JK{ children by faulty diet.
 > Are you aware that these kids are not all "retarded"?
Jane must have some magical powers to be able to change one's genes
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00000Date: 01/21/97
From: GWENNA BOWERS                                         Time: 03:48pm
\/To: MARYANN KOCHANKO                                    (Read 1 times)
Subj: AD(H)D CHILDREN

Hi MaryAnn,
I was skimming the  various messages in this echo and had to stop and fully 
read your message.  I have two kids my oldest Robert Jr age 12 is ADHD and my 
daughter Deanna age 10 (next month).  I will quote some of your message and 
put my thoughts after.
* In a message originally to Jane Kelley, MaryAnn Kochanko said:
-> > I mean by "work over" that the school teachers haven't the faintest idea
-> > of what to do with the kids that don't fit into a narrow mold, most of
-> > them at any rate.
I had this problem with both of my kids teachers every year at the start of 
school.  I learned to ask for a conference as soon as I learned who they had 
on the first day of school.  It was easy when my son was in grade school as 
he only had one teacher but he is now in middle school (grades 6-8) and 
usually have to have two meetings in order to get all 6 teachers on track.  I 
was lucky this year with my daughter she has for her 4th grade teacher the 
same on the my son had for 3rd grade so she was up on the subject except I 
had to explain to her that she was ADD not ADHD.  And she probley had LD 
along with it I say probley as that part had not been dianosed.
->Jane, you are generalizing, I am not saying that it doesn't
->happen, but to say every child who is diagnosed with ADD , is
->just a kid whose teachers don't know how to teach is being
->very narrow minded and wrong.  My child went thru many doctors
->before we received a definitative diagnosis.  My son does not
->act as a zombie on Ritalin.  Why did he go from 4 D's and 1 C,
->to 4 A's and 1 B after beginging Ritalin?  A zombie would not
->be able to think enough to gain those scores.
As for doctors I was lucky their regualr doctor is experienced with AD(H)D 
kids and has at least one day possibley 2 days depending set aside each week 
to examin them.  All kids are seen at least every 6 months more often if 
needed to make sure that they are not under or over medicated.  i have a form 
called a Protocall (sp) that is filled out by each teacher and myself just 
prior to each appoitment more often if needed.  My son was getting strait A's 
with a few B's (back in 2nd grade) when his teacher asked how she could keep 
him still in his seat as he was always moving and drumming on his desk.  As I 
was having some problems with him at home also I knew I could count on her to 
back me up at the doctors.  Usually the doctor required at least two visits 
before he would say yes he is ADHD but with the forms filled out by his 
teacher and myself and the first office visit for this problem (the only time 
he had seen Robert was when he was sick and not up to running around) he said 
I can see that Robert is ADHD and I want to start him out with a 5mg in the 
morning and a 5mg at noon.  within 2 weeks he was on 10mg in the morning and 
5mg at noon at the end of 6 weeks he was on 20SR in the morning and 20SR at 
noon and that is where he stayed until this year and we are cutting him way 
back to the fact he rarley needs any meds at all.  Do in part I suspect that 
the school finnly agreed that he needed advaced classes as he was "board" in 
regualr classes and managed all A's without really doing his work.
Now that he is in all advaced classes he has to think and got 3 A's 2 B's and 
one C and that was in a class that he just does not like.
I am running out of time I have to log off and resign back on will finish in 
next message.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00001Date: 01/21/97
From: GWENNA BOWERS                                         Time: 04:00pm
\/To: MARYANN KOCHANKO                                    (Read 1 times)
Subj: AD(H)D CHILDREN

Sorry about that but here is the second part of my message.
->Do you know what its like to go to bed at night and not
->be able to sleep becuase your ADD child has constant insomnia.
->Oh, I used to lie down next to him to sleep, so that I
->wouldn't have to medicate him with Ritalin or anything, but
->for God's sake!  The kid is 9 years old, he doesn't need to
->sleep with his mommy anymore.  He deserves to be able to rest
->at night, go to school and feel like he can learn and be
->somebody.  His teachers have said he has become more motivated
->in school and wants to do homework....before the Ritalin he
->used to shut down and sit in a corner of the classroom and
->just cry becuase he couldn't focus on his work.  Jon is now
->starting to have a life and is becoming a well adjusted HAPPY
->young man.
Sleeping is one of the problems that neither of my kids have.  I was in 
deninal of ADHD until that one teacher sort of slapped me in the face.  I had 
"heard" that ADHD kids could not sleep at night and were always off the wall. 
Robert was not that by 9PM he was out of it and I used to joke that once he 
was asleep I could toss his around like a football and he would never know 
it. Like a normal kid he is impossible to wake up in the morning for school 
but on Saturday or Sunday he is up before the sun is up.  The Ritalin did 
help him in school to stay in his seat and not drum on the desk and focus on 
what the teacher was saying even though he seemed to and still seems to know 
everything the teacher knows before the class is half over and can start 
anyhomework and almost all the time finish it in class.
->One word of note, they are doing studies
->with PET scans that show that the nerve conduction and blood
->flow is decreased in the frontal lobe of the brain in those
->that suffer from ADHD.  Ritalin stimulates the blood flow to
->this area.  The frontal lobe has control over the ability to
->focus.
I am in the process of getting the doctor to do more testing on Deanna as the 
Ritalin is not helping her.  I suspect that she may have fallen on her head 
as she has loved climbing since she was 9 months old and I may not have 
caught her once or twice even though I was always jumping the gate into her 
room to get her down from her brothers top bunk.
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00002Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 06:36pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Ad(h)d Children

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Regina Finan <=-
 RF> JK> Have one grand daughter that the schools would love to work over 
ith
 RF> JK> their counselors, etc.  My daughter has taken her to her own 
xperts,
 RF> JK> will not however stop feeding her foods that contain processed 
ugar.
 
 First off this is not my message so it is not my opinion.  This was yours.
 RF> Have the doctors told her to do this?
 I asked this question to find out who gave her this opinion, and it was you.
 JK> Dunno where you live, but she lives in Puyallup, Washington where the
 JK> mental health end of things at Good Samaritan Hospital is above the
 JK> average in the rest of this area.  She took the girl there after the
 JK> local school teachers decided to play doctor and got an entirely
 JK> different opinion from the folks who are credentialed in the treatment
 JK> of mental illness.
 And how is diagnosis different?
 JK> School teachers are not credentialed to diagnose and treat mental
 JK> illness.
 You are correct.  But I don't think it is totally wrong for teachers to
 tell you that something seems wrong and that maybe testing is in order
 to clarify it.  Parents have a tendency not to see how their child could
 possibly be different than other children especially academically or
 behavior wise.  Teachers have gone to school and somewhat learned what the
 child should do at what level.  And although a teacher should never give
 a diagnosis, it is imperative that the teacher inform the parent of anything
 that seems to be out of the "norm".
 JK> Or is it just your opinion?
 That was not an opinion, I just asked a question as to who told her the
 child needs to go off of sugar.
 JK> My opinion on Attention Deficit Disorder is backed by a couple of
 JK> papers I have around here from folks who are experts in their field and
 JK> who do their own learning constantly.
 How much research was done on this?
 JK> And also by some of the professionals in chemical dependency I have
 JK> asked lately.
 JK> I am unable to figure out why any sane person would resist so
 JK> drastically anything that would help a child.  Perhaps you can explain
 JK> that to me?
 First off if your daughter's child is eating a tremendous amount of sugar
 than I see your point.  As with a child without any disorder, sugar does
 have a tendency of hyping them up.  Also children with food allergies
 can mimic ADHD.  Although I am not a medical doctor, I have seen this in
 a handful of children as well as gotten that opinion from experts I know
 personally.
 As far as your last question goes.  Some people totally resist diet and
 some people totally resist meds for the children.  This just the way it
 is.  All that I have read at this point suggests diet will not help an
 ADHD child.  All the doctors including the ones who work with substance
 abuse have said the same thing to me.  I have also tried it on my self
 years back and did have an interest in supplements and well as the few
 different diets for it out there.  Feingold diet for one.  It did not
 help.  Now, this is how most people form an opinion.  Reading, professional,
 and sometimes trying them out themselves.  I formed my opinion on all this.
 When you first posted I read what you had to say.  They were opinions 
ecause
 you did not site anything from anywhere.  I had nothing to look up and
 therefore why should I or anyone else take what you have to say as gospel.
 There has not been enough research in this area to prove that diet has
 anything to do with ADHD.  I would certainly change my opinion if it were
 so.
 Since I am raising my kids and you are not it is up to me to form my opinion
 and take advice according to other professionals.  I am not gonna just have
 anyone tell me this is what I should do and then just do it.
 I also have a friend who is going to school to be a substance abuse 
counselor.
 She is being taught by one of the leading schools (I believe it is one of 
he
 top 5) in the country.  She is also a top student.  She has done research
 on this topic and well as others.  Her opinion suggests the same as other
 professionals, that diet has nothing to do with ADHD. I value her opinion
 as she not only can show me the research done on it, but she is going to
 school now, not in the 1950's.  This suggests that maybe she may be more
 up on what is going on than some people who have formed their opinions on
 what they were taught or learned why back when.
 I realize that you have said you still do research on the subject and are
 keeping up with technology.  I respect the fact that you feel strongly
 about your opinion, but in no way do I respect the fact that you have
 name called everyone else who does not express the same opinion as you.
 You have pretty much concluded that because we do not agree with you that
 we are closed minded.  I suggest you look at the way you post and you will
 find that you are doing exactly what you accuse us of.
 This is a subject that is very controversial.  There are those that suggest
 diet will work and those that suggest not.  I myself had to outweight each
 and had to conclude that ADHD and diet are not related.  Does that make me
 a bad parent?  Does that mean I do not want to help my child?  It means that
 I did my research and until more proof (which one day it may) concludes
 otherwise, I will stick to my conclusion.
 Regina
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00003Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 06:42pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Adhd....76

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Regina Finan <=-
 RF> JK> By making zombies out of them?  That is not integration into social
 RF> JK> situations as far as I am concerned.  The same effect can also be
 RF> JK> obtained by tying the kid up and gagging him or her.
 
 RF> Where do you get off telling people they are making them into "zombies".
 RF> If a child is acting this way it is because either the dose is too high,
 RF> which will be lowered or the wrong medication for that child.  It is 
ike
 RF> antibiotics.  Sometimes they do not work for that particular infection 
r
 RF> body chemistry as something else has to be used.  We don't know before 
hand
 RF> because all of our body chemistries are different.  This is not experi-
 RF> mentation it is a FACT.
 JK> It is a FACT that some kids should not be put on Ritalin. Period. Do
 JK> you have the wisdom to know the difference?
 Yes, I do know that Ritalin does not work for everyone.  You have said
 that diet helps 30% of the people.  This suggests that diet also does
 not work for everyone.
 JK> The trend to put every patient on a drug "to see how it works" is
 JK> causing problems in modern medicine and needs to be discouraged.
 Every doctor I have talked to (and I will admit there are quacks out there)
 has not done this.  Usually the doctor and the patient consult and to what
 the course of action should be.  Is the child mildly ADHD?  If so why put
 the child on meds.  Is the child so disruptive that neither the parent or
 school can manage them?  Sometimes certain medications do not work as 
octors
 hope them to.  This is suggested not only by Ritalin, but antibiotics, heart
 medications, insulin and so on.
 JK> THAT MEANS PARENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME INFORMED AND ALSO STAND
 JK> UP TO PROFESSIONALS WHO DO NOT TAKE THE TIME TO DO A PROPER HISTORY.
 I have not ran into a doctor that does NOT take a proper medical history.
 JK> If you are afraid to ask questions of anyone you go to for health
 JK> care, you deserve the results you are going to get.
 I have never been afraid to ask questions.  As a matter of fact, I don't
 even like my husband going to the doctor without me, as I have always
 found him not to be able to ask the questions I feel necessary.
 
 What point are you making in all this?  That because my opinion is different
 than yours (due to the professionals I have talked to and my research) and
 I will not conform and accept your opinion I deserve the results, which
 by the way have been fine so far, I get?  Well then I must be doing 
omething
 right.  My kids are not on Meds.  I handle this without at this point.  That
 does not suggest I am against it though. My now 12 year old was on Ritalin.
 For financial reasons after a year he was taken off.  Due to that particular
 school district this child learned how to focus.  He learned how to manage
 it.  With that I was able to take this child who's IQ score is very low and
 have managed to raise his performance level very high, of course, it threw
 him right out of special ed.  My now 9 year old is ADHD/ODD.  He has never
 been on meds.  He does not have a low IQ or learning disability.  The only
 foods that bother him are the combination of carbonation/caffeine and sweet
 potatoes.  He is not on meds becsause I can not financially afford it.  So I
 deal with it and research how to help him without it.  I also homeschool
 my children so I see exactly how this all affects them.  I am not a quiet
 person.  I fought the school district to get my children help along with
 a proper diagnosis.  So you want to tell me my opinion doesn't count? That
 you suggest maybe I do not want to help my kids?  If that were so I would
 not have bothered with any of this including this message area.
 Regina
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00004Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 06:45pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Alcoholism

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Regina Finan <=-
 RF> I'm sure parents with children born with FAS appreciate their children
 RF> called "mutant".  Give me a break.  You are looking at children as some
 RF> kind of "alien".
 JK> Lady, I don't particualarly give a tinkers dam if they appreciate it
 JK> or not.  The blunt truth is that FAS is usually the result of ingestion
 JK> of alcohol by a pregnant woman.  Period. And that causes the problems
 JK> the child encounters after it is born.
 No I said parents with these children don't appreciate it. Sooner or later,
 a child is going to read that and come to the conclusion they are a freak.
 JK> The blunter the facts, the more they are presented to anyone who is of
 JK> child bearing age, the faster we end FAS children and the faster we
 JK> end the damage done to other babies by other drugs as well.
 I agree with the point that women should not drink before and during preg-
 nacy, including taking of drugs, but this has nothing to do with this echo
 area.........ADHD!!!!!!!!!! If it does than please explain it to me again.
 I must of missed it.
 JK> Got a problem with that? Or do you think that coddling mothers who
 JK> drink is the answer to FAS?
 Where did you get this from.  I did not imply that what soever.  Disorders
 are disorders.  I don't call my children mutants because they are ADHD.
 I did nothing wrong during my pregnancies.  I did not drink, I did not take
 drugs.  When I was pregnant with the twins, I took folic acid and drank
 rasberry tea to strengthen my cervix in order not to lose them.  Now I'm
 not sure it did any good, but I tried.  I still had them early, I still
 had birthing problems, and my son still had ADHD.  I don't always sympathize
 with the parent, but I don't try to make the matters worse and give them
 an excuse for their actions to continue.
 JK> They need to be held up to public disapproval for their actions and
 JK> feel the entire weight of society's judgement on their behavior until
 JK> this ends.
 This does not mean that you or anyone else has the right to publically
 blast a child for whatever the mother or father did and in essence this
 is what the final outcome is.  Mother or dad feels the impact, gets an
 excuse to continue with the abuse, and child suffer even more.  Then we
 continue to blame the parent when in essence we had a hand in making it
 worse.
 As long as their is alcohol and drugs it isn't going to end.
 Regina
       
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00005Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 02:18pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Caffine

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Regina Finan <=-
 RF> JK> Find the articles by Leiber and read them in Scientific American.
 RF> JK> There were others also over the years.  His were in the 1970's, I
 RF> JK> believe.
 
 RF> You are making the statements.  We have no idea which articles you are
 RF> talking about, so the burden of PROOF stands on you, not us.
 JK> No, it doesn't.  You are among the folks who refuse to find out what
 JK> has been going on for twenty years now, ever since the research on the
 JK> human brain was done by the computer people who made the first desktop.
 I don't think so.  I have explained to you in other post that I researched
 and outweighed the result you talked about.  The computer has nothing to
 do with our subject of ADHD.  And by the way, I probably know much more
 about computers than you.
 JK> You use the machine and havn't the faintest idea of how it came into
 JK> being, just as you don't have the first clue as to what I am saying.
 WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 I not only know about computers and how they came about, but I build and
 trouble shoot them.  This is off topic.
 
 Regina
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00006Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 02:29pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: Re: Adhd....76

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to John Prather <=-
 JK> Your son may mot be at risk for alcoholism and I don't have any
 JK> experience in dealing with this type of child.  There is a lot more I
 JK> would like to know about the use of other, more alternative therapies,
 JK> but that would mean learning a lot more than I chose to study at this
 JK> time of life.
 
 This is exactly what we are trying to tell you.  You do not know.  You
 want us to research on ADHD and alcohol when we do not have alcohol
 abuse in the family.  Yet you do not want to look at the whole picture and
 learn about ADHD in general.
 JK> I DON"T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH KIDS WHO ARE NOT AT RISK FOR
 JK> ALCOHOLISM.  Period.  Do you understand this?
 Why are you in this echo?  I would say that most of the kids and children
 here have ADHD without alcohol abuse in the family.  You continue to tell
 me and others that we need to put our children on diets, yet you continue
 to say you do not want to get involved in the discussion of children not
 at risk for alcoholism.  Most of us are dealing with the not at risk child.
 
 JK> My quarrel is with those who will not take the time to make a
 JK> differential diagnosis between those who are and those who are not at
 JK> risk. And treat them accordingly.
 No your quarrel seems to be that we are not putting our children on diets
 and that some of us have put our children on drugs to help them cope with
 their problem. You have argued with me and countless others about us not
 listening to you about our children being on drugs and not put on diets.
 It seems to me that your posts should be in an alcohol related echo not
 here.
 JK> Children at risk for genetic alcoholism need someone who understands
 JK> this problem.
 Like you, a nurse.
 Regina
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FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: E1R00007Date: 01/17/97
From: REGINA FINAN                                          Time: 06:32pm
\/To: JANE KELLEY                                         (Read 1 times)
Subj: ADHD

This is a seperate msg to draw a conclusion to our posts (hopefully).  I
would like to ask you a few questions so we may draw some conclusion to
your msgs.
1.  You have repeated stated that ADHD, alcoholism and diet are related.
    What about most of us here who do not have alcoholism in the family?
    Your statements suggest we should put our children on diets anyway.
    Is this conclusion correct or are you ONLY referring to those who
    have alcoholism in the family?
2.  If I had a Great Great Grandmother who was an alcoholic, would it
    it affect my children?  If the child's DNA comes from both parents
    and they are not alcoholics than how easy would this tendency for
    alcoholism be? Please explain in relation to ADHD.
3.  Are you or are you not against medication for those who do not have
    alcoholism in the family?  You have never really made this clear.
    And the meds used for ADHD that children who have a tendency for
    alcoholism, how does the meds affect them?  Please try to give a
    real medical explaination such as the effect of the chemical itself.
Since this is an ADHD echo area we are only concerned with what affects
ADHD.  I don't need to know what or what does not work with children that
are FAS (unless they are also ADHD) or about Down Syndrome.  I only need
to know what effects my child according to what disorder they have.  This
is why I am in this echo and I am not in the alcohol, child abuse, or Down
Syndrome echo.  I need to know what will help my child and their problem.
You may feel this is cold, but as a nurse, you must understand that these
types of problems are not easy to deal with.  Even if you find an answer
it does not solve all the problems.  I don't have the time to try to
research what my children do not have and my children have the right for
my undivided attention focused on them.  This does not leave me much room
for everything else.
I am not saying you don't know anything nor am I saying you are ignorant,
I am sure you probably know things I do not.  What I am saying though
that you are interested in only a small percentage of what you say is high
risk.  Most of us here, at least me, are not.  I am concerened with ADHD
as a whole.
If you are not going to concern yourself with ADHD as a whole also, then
how do you expect us to look at what you are concerned with.  I have been
in this echo for quite some time.  I have a good idea how some of these
people in this echo are.  Some do quite a bit of research themselves.  I have
seen them in the internet and have seen them cite quite a bit of info, some 
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which is not what you seem to say real old.  I am sure that any posts where
you sited info some of them are either in the process of looking at it or
have.  Also I know that certain people who knew some of what you said did not
get the same meaning out of the articles as you did. And from reading the
many posts here I believe the people here are loving and caring parents that
are concerned with the issues involving ADHD and what is best for their
children.
To me some of these posts are starting to get ridiculous.  I am guilty of
it also.  I would like to see if we could all get a better clearer under-
standing on the issues here.  In my next post I would like to list what
are my concerns.  If you want to answer fine, if not fine.  But I am hoping
that we can all start sticking to the issues that concern us.  I can not
for the life of me understand an issue concerning alcohol and ADHD when
this does not seem to be an issue in most situations here.  IF, in fact,
this is a real issue, than I trust people in this situation should look
at it and draw a conclusion.  This is not to convince people to right away
go out and put their children on a diet.  It is to draw the conclusion
from properly documented medical research.  This also means more than one
so that any conclusions can be duplicated over and over again.  
Jane, you obviously have done research on addictions.  I will not argue with
you on that point.  You also obviouly strongly believe in what you have read
concerning an issue on Alcohol, ADHD, Diet.  I read little of the subject, 
ut
read some.  I myself did not come up with the same conclusion as you and so
did not continue to look into it further as it does not even pertain to my
situation at home.  You have every right to your opinion and beliefs. But 
going
over many of your posts again they still, in my book, have not convinced me.  
What has convinced me is my failure to be courteous in the matter.  You may
take that as an apology for being too sarcastic at times.
Regina
... "Yield to temptation, it may not pass your way again." - L. Long
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