-------------------------------------------------------------------- This should end the whiners, anti-drugsters and herbal sales scamsters claims. IMHO the increase can also be attributed to the more aggressive identification of ADHDers (especially the AGG girls) and the realization that ADHD is found and treatable in adulthood. ===>Mark Probert<=== email at MSProbert@aol.com --- * CMPQwk #1.4 * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * Origin: PC BBS : Massapequa, NY : (516)795-5874 (1:2619/110) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00001Date: 12/12/96 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 02:43pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Attention/behavioral Diso -=> Quoting Jerry Schwartz to Regina Finan <=- JS> [Dec 08, 96 - 12:52] Regina Finan of 1:2410/534 wrote to Jeff JS> Richter: RF> problems back than. Also, they make a product that is a sandwich pread RF> of chocolate (yes I know this is bad) it is great stuff. It has hazlenut RF> flavoring. Gosh I can taste it now. JS> Are you thinking of Nutella? You can get it in the Italian groceries JS> around here, and it isn't even all that fattening since a little goes JS> a long way. Sounds right. I love the stuff. When I was a kid my relatives would send it in a package every year. Regina ... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message." --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00002Date: 12/12/96 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 04:14pm \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: That Kelley person... -=> Quoting MARK PROBERT to REGINA FINAN <=- MP> REGINA FINAN was thinking about Re: That Kelley person... and keyed MP> into cyberspace: RF> -=> Quoting Steve Kruzich to Regina Finan <=- RF> I should clarify myself some people with ADHD will emotionally use RF>drugs or alcohol as a escape, but that has nothing to do with diet RF>nor meds for ADHD unless they are still doing it. MP> Errr...not quite. Steve was describing the typical reason many ADHDer MP> resort to illegal drugs. They are not "escaping" but they are seeking MP> self medication. It is the direct result of inadequate or no MP> treatment. Well than tell that to my daughter and her Psch. That was not the case with her. She still has that problem. If she gets hit with a problem she wants a drink. She understands it now so she rarely does and if she does its one drink not twenty. It was an escape because she could not handle all her failures. I have the same problem. I tested with a low IQ, but that is not really the case. I just could not do things like other people and therefore my test scores came out low. On the contrary I now learned how to learn and test out much much higher. But throughout my many failures I turned to alcohol to escape from them. My daughter and I were considered alcohol abusers not dependent. I can leave it or take it although, sometimes stress will help in that decision, but not enough to make me drink on and on. BTW, at that particular time in my daughters life, I listened to the school system that she was lazy and needed motivation. They would not test her for Learning Disabilities and I was not a confident and aggressive parent like I am today. I've learned alot through my raising of her and now the other three. I believe we have the sole responsibility to see to it, at whatever cost, that our children are protected and raised as responsible and loving adults. It doesn't matter what anyone says, I now look at my instincts first. If I feel there is a problem, I know there is and I will be ....... if someone is going to tell me otherwise. Its working good too. I made a promise to myself that I would never let my children go through what the school system put her through. So with that point in mind I fight until I achieve either the desired outcome or an alternative to what is right for them. Regina Regina ... A feature is a bug with seniority. --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00003Date: 12/12/96 From: REGINA FINAN Time: 03:39pm \/To: JOHN MCMAHON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ADD -=> Quoting John Mcmahon to All <=- JM> is it possible for an adult to have add? JM> and if an adult suspects that, what kind of JM> medication or help is available. Yes it is very much possible. ADD can be inherited. Which means one/both parents can have it or grandparents, cousins, etc. The same medication used for adults. You can go to the library for info, find info on the internet or go to your doctor who can recommend someone to put you through the tests necessary to find out if you have it for sure. JM> the reason for this, my son has add and as JM> they read off the symptoms and some of the JM> behavior habits it sounded exactly like JM> what i used to do as a child. ADD never goes away. If you had it as a child you would still have it. Symptoms are sometimes a little different as an adult because children learn to cope and manage some of them on their own, there some symptoms may not be noticed as an adult. The best thing to do is go to the Library. You will find books on adult ADD and you can look at the symptoms and decide it your suspicions need better clarification. If you are finding it difficult to go to work and fulfill your responsibilities, such as being really distracted or impulsive or keeping yourself on task, than you may decide to go straight to a doctor and find out. Depending on whether you have a very mild case, whether you are severe, or whether a particular symptom is bad will depend on what type of program will work for you. Hope this helps. Regina ... "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?" --- * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00004Date: 12/10/96 From: GARRY FREEMYER Time: 04:11pm \/To: GWENNA BOWERS (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD -=> Quoting Gwenna Bowers to All <=- GB> I just heard a brief part of a TV news show about ADD. They said GB> something about ADD kids showing a reduced blood flow to the brain. GB> Have any of you heard about this. I wish I had known about this on GB> the TV as it was on a channel I don't normally watch as I would have GB> taped it or at least turned it on sooner. I have one kid age 9 1/2 with GB> ADD with a learning disability and one kid age 12 with ADHD. I have read this in "Answers to Destraction" by Hollowell. There are two types of this. Those whose blood supply to the area of the brain responsible for self control and focus is reduced and those whose blood supply is normal until they try to focus or exercise self control. Kind of like a car with a decellerator rather than an accellerator. You try to use it and it shuts down. Really frustrating! ... Its hard to remember when you don't know your'e forgetting! --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 * Origin: * Madman BBS * Chico, California * 916-893-8079 * (1:119/88) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00005Date: 12/14/96 From: TYLER CHIVAS Time: 09:53am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: GAP Does Anyone Know Of A BBS Program Called GAP? If you do, and you know where to find it, send me a message or e-mail me at tyler@south.sd41.bc.ca Thanks. BYE. --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00006Date: 12/14/96 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:01am \/To: GARRY FREEMYER (Read 2 times) Subj: Adderall GF> JK> Prozac and any other similar antidepressant will result in a emporary GF> JK> elevation of the serotonin levels causing an instant and temporary GF> JK> period of insanity. This leads to different results in each patient, GF> JK> some of them just scary and others damn serious. GF> ... Um, Ahem!, Sorry bout that. It must GF>have been the insanity. You didn't warn me how short it could be. If I GF>had blinked my eyes I might have missed the whole thing! If you had comprehended what I wrote, you would not have made the mistake of thinking I wrote it under the influence of Prozac. As both an alcoholic who had the last drink over 28 years ago and a chemical dependency counselor, I know better than to take drugs for anything I don't have to. And that includes antibiotics which messed up my immune system badly at one time. When someone is born with a lack of the enzymes necessary to metablolize one drug, alcohol, you can bet your bottom dollar safely that the person is also born with a lack of enzymes to metabolize other drugs. Some find that out the hard way. Others go to school and sit on hard chairs and listen up. GF>Seriously, I took Prozac for ADHD for awhile but I don't recall any GF>period of insanity. After a few months it didn't do anything I could GF>sense so I quit it. I take nothing now. Everything I tried was either GF>fleeting or too week in benefit. If you have a history of alcoholism in your family then food supplements would work a lot better for you and for your children. The local expert in this around here is Dr. Terry Neher at Neurohealth Resources, 25717 - 118th Place S. E., Kent WA. Phone is (206) 204-7967. He did the research with Kenneth Blume in Texas and developed a food supplement that works on ADHD children a lot better than the Ritalin does IF they have a family history of alcoholism. Works fine on adults who are alcoholics also. GF> MP>List the drugs and list where the contraindication is for a family GF> MP>history of ethanolism or bipolar disorder. I'll go look for myself. GF> JK> You get you fanny off the chair it is parked in, go find a medical GF> JK> library or the nearest pharmacist and do your own damn research. I GF> JK> gave you one freebe, now do the work necessary for you to remember he GF> JK> rest. GF> JK> While you are at it, visit the NAMI web site at www.nami.org and find GF> JK> out that glutamate, a neurotransmitter, is now linked with GF> JK> schizophrenia. GF> JK> That came from On the Brain (Harvard Mahoney Neuroscience Institute) GF> JK> summer 1996. GF>Interesting! GF> JK> That is also available at www.nami.org. I heartily encourage every GF> JK> parent reading this to find that web site and pay attention to most f GF> JK> what is written there. GF>Thanks for the web site. You are welcome. THe best minds in both mental illness and chemical dependency are meeting in the area of brain chemistry and remedial diet. This is a lot more important than most of us realize at the present time. * SLMR 2.1a * It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00007Date: 12/14/96 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:01am \/To: MARK PROBERT (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd....76 MP>JK>Really? That is news to the Schiff Company and other large MP>JK>pharmaceutical firms that make them. I suggest that you find our MP>JK>what you think you know about all of this and then get back to me. MP>I am back! :) MP>Yes, Jane, the pharmaceuticals have to answer to a much higher standard MP>than the non-pharmaceuticals. That is why the non-pharmaceuticals do not MP>want to be regulated. It puts a major dent in their profits. We do have herbalists who know what they are doing, and some pharmacists who can prescribe both the herbal remedies and the pharmaceuticals. They are rare, however. When a dose of anything has to be exact, it is far better to get the pharmaceutical. When that is not important, such as in soy protein (the brain will only pick out what it needs at the time it is eaten and leave the rest alone) or herbal teas, then the herbal or alternative forms can be used. And, even with an exact dosage, the result is not always predictable in using a mind altering drug of any kind. * SLMR 2.1a * Press any key to continue or any other key to quit --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00008Date: 12/14/96 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:01am \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd....76 JS>JK> Really? That is news to the Schiff Company and other large JS>JK> pharmaceutical firms that make them. I suggest that you find our what JS>JK> you think you know about all of this and then get back to me. JS>Perhaps I don't understand what you're referring to. Are you talking bout JS>the natural herbs and other things such as Garlique? Or are you saying that JS>Shiff et al produce purified and standardized supplements? Can you give e JS>some examples? I am talking about all herbal remedies that come in bulk form such as the teas or soy protein that comes in bulk which provides amino acids. The manufacturers must make certain that each pill is exactly the same as the one before and after it. * SLMR 2.1a * Hello, I am part number ޺۳ݳݳ --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DGJ00009Date: 12/14/96 From: JANE KELLEY Time: 10:01am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Adhd....76 BM> JK> that you contact Dr. Terry Neher and start learning BM> JK> from him what can be done with a remedial diet. Or you can contact BM> JK> C.A.R.E. or BM> JK> Chemical Abuse Resources & Education, P. O. Box 1141, Tacoma WA (206) BM> JK> 572-2273. Talk to Craig Wills, the Community Outreach Specialist who BM> JK> does prevention and education in the local schools. He is really nto BM> JK> remedial nutrition. BM> What does any of that have to do with ADD or ADHD? 1. Dr. Neher developed a specific food supplement that works much better than Ritalin does on ADHD children who are from families with a history of alcoholism 2. Craig Wills has taken that supplement for a couple of years and is also a certified and state licensed drug and alcohol counselor. The place where he works dispenses information about addiction and related subjects, such as ADHD in the families of alcoholics. 3. Ritalin is known to have caused problems in children who have used in for a long time. One of them that isn't generally mentioned outside of drug and alcohol circles is the talc that builds up in the brain, causing problems with the peripheral vision. I consider this important enough to mention. I am also a drug and alcohol counselor and registered nurse who is only too well aware of the number of physical and mental health folks who don't know how to medicate or not medicate alcoholics and their family members. BM> JK> I have been studying alcoholism and addiction with related problems BM> JK> for well over 25 years now, and I think that I have a much better BM> JK> handle on what is going on in this field than you do. BM> That's all well and good, but (at the risk of being a bit BM> peseverative) I'll ask you again - what has any of that to do with BM> ADD or ADHD? I'm going to tell you once again, slowly.........IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHILDREN OF OR THE FAMILY OF ALCOHOLICS, EVEN IF NO ONE IN THAT FAMILY DRINKS AT THE MOMENT!!!!! IF AN ADD OR ADHD child is given drugs, they will not work like they do on other children while a remedial diet will work. And, the better agencies, such as C.A.R.E., will have someone on staff who knows about this and can assist parents to find a doctor who will prescribe what is needed. Is it too much to ask of parents that they watch what their kids eat? BM> JK> If you get the home page for the National Alliance of the Mentally BM> JK> Ill, or NAMI at www.nami.org you will find that the neurotransmitter, BM> JK> glutamate, has just been found linked to the underlying pathology in BM> JK> this disease. BM> I have and that's not exactly what it says, as you well know. I don't think you understand what you are reading. I think that it would be very useful for you to find someone close to you who does understand brain chemistry and have them explain all of this to you. In any BM> case ADD/ADHD is not a disease, it is not "curable" and it most BM> certainly is not a mental illness. What it is, is a neurological anamoly of some kind or another, a variation of the usual genetic make up of those who have it. It is a genetic condition and therefore is classified as a disease just as is alcoholism or diabeties. Did you know that insulin is also a neurotransmitter? And that given every day, it allows a diabetic to live a normal life? There is one example most of us are familiar with of a disease gotten before birth "fixed" daily by a natural substance which is what the insulin is. Another example of a disease gotten before birth is the PKU child, who will be "normal" in every aspect ONLY IF PUT ON AND KEPT ON, a special diet at birth! That is remedial diet. BM> That is more than likely so ... (perseveration mode on) What has that BM> to do with ADD or ADHD? See above. Also medical journals and others that can be found in larger libraries these days. If you can surf the net, get your Yahoo to find "brain chemistry" and start in. * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! --- JCQWK * Origin: My Desk, Puyallup, WA (206) 845-2418 (1:138/255)