--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00014Date: 09/08/96 From: CHRIS ZAPETIS Time: 10:18am \/To: GARY CASSIDY (Read 2 times) Subj: Behaviour Modification Sy -> Just wondering if any of you are using a Behaviour Modification system using -> tokens/chips/coins etc? How well has this worked? What kinds of problems -> have you found? We use a system similar to this at our house. I have a chart which lists the tasks each child (we have 4) must do each day. Tasks are divided into "Personal Jobs" ie: Personal hygiene, homework, taking care of personal stuff. "House Jobs" ie: emptying trash, setting table, doing dishes. and "Patrols" ie: energy patrol, make sure all lights, fans ect are turned off, toy patrol, make sure none of the legos got left behind. For us it works great. No more whining about "I did that yesterday" or "I always empty the trash!" We use a point system as jobs are completed. Points can be traded for computer time, an extra story, tv time, or other rivledges. some of those get pretty strange. One privdlege is to choose your favorite vegatable for dinner. Our children can also save and combine points to earn big things...like a canoe trip on the weekend, or a hiking trip. They've learned to cooperate and plan things together, and they help each other out with jobs. We've been doing this for about 2 years, my kids are 11, 9, 6, nd 4. Problems? Well, things aren't always done to my standards. The kids don't always make the beds as neatly as I would. But the point is to help them earn to take responsibility. I don't need to bounce a quarter off the blankets! And it takes a lot of time to oversee the jobs and make the payoff. After all, if your child chooses an extra story you have to read it to them, if hey choose beets for a vegatable we eat them! I think you are on the right track. Don't worry, it can be a lot of fun. Expect some resistance from time to time. I've found that sometimes it's a signal to re-negoitiate chores, points and rewards. Good Luck! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 10 * Origin: T.O.I.L. BBS Newark,NY (1:2613/608) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00015Date: 09/08/96 From: GARY CASSIDY Time: 10:25pm \/To: JERRY SCHWARTZ (Read 2 times) Subj: Behaviour Modification System Howdy Jerry!! JS> GC> Just wondering if any of you are using a Behaviour Modification system JS> GC> using tokens/chips/coins etc? How well has this worked? JS> GC> What kinds of problems have you found? JS> I had no luck with it. One common aspect of AD(H)D is an inability JS> to postpone gratification, and my son has it in spades. Whatever he JS> wants at the moment, he wants so badly that nothing else matters JS> much. That has been one of my big concerns. Jeremy has been on Ritalin for 4 months now and we are trying to "zoom" in on the approriate doseage hoping that this will take some of the edge of the impulisivity. I have several friends who don't understand why I will not walk on the street with Jeremy without holding his hand. They figure at 7 years old that he can be trusted to stay where it's safe. I have not yet been able to convince them just how dangerous it is for Jeremy. He would not think twice about running in front of a speeding truck that is between him and whatever catches his eye Of course, th ereal problem is that he won't think *ONCE*, he just goes..... Thanks for your thoughts Jerry! I appreciate much of what you have to say here on the echo. Take Care & God Bless!! Gary ... Why didn't Noah just swat those two mosquitos?! -*- TurboEDIT v1.35a [MSP96] --- FMailX 1.02 * Origin: The Beatitudes (613)834-2054 Ottawa, Canada (1:243/82) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00016Date: 09/07/96 From: DUSTIN HALSTEAD Time: 07:31am \/To: TYLER HARTSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Adult ADHD/ADD Whew! When you posted this you asked for a flame'n: TH> Tim - TH> well, I've done my fair share of adult groups and I am not yet TH> convinced that adult ADHD exists...I think with most adults with the TH> exception of perhaps bi-polar and Schizo and some Anx. disorders, most TH> are contrived and grossly impairing defense mechs... TH> tyler I'm ninteen and my ADHD has never left... yeah sure I've learned to deal with it... but any indication that it's become better is a joke. Rememeber, don't speak for someone... unless you've been that someone. OmEgA ... Listen Tyler! I know Karate, Judo, and a bunch other oriental words! --- Tom Toss 3.18g1 * Origin: Diamonds In The Rough (502) 439-7904/9220 (1:3621/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00017Date: 09/07/96 From: DUSTIN HALSTEAD Time: 07:36am \/To: TYLER HARTSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: UP %& DOWNS -=> Quoting Tyler Hartson to Lawrence Dumas <=- TH> what are ups and downs? I'm a therpaist who worx with kidz and I TH> cant say I am familiar with this term.... TH> thanks -- TH> tyler A therpaist who spells works as 'worx'?? Now how old are you again? OmEgA ... North American or European? --- Tom Toss 3.18g1 * Origin: Diamonds In The Rough (502) 439-7904/9220 (1:3621/4) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00018Date: 09/05/96 From: LUCIA JAMESON Time: 11:30am \/To: STEPHEN FURNESS (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: dexamphetamine -=> Quoting Stephen Furness to All <=- SF> Is no one on Dexadrine? I've been using the drug for quite a while. SF> I've also tryed Ritilin I have found in my case Dexedrine to be SF> superiour for my concentration. Also their seems to be much discussion SF> on children with ADD. I'm 20 and my ADD has not "gone away" after SF> puberty.... SF> L8r... Hi Stephen, My teenage son, Jesse, was switched from Ritalin to Dexadrine in Dec 95. Our doc (military at the time) suggested the change as Jesse was on a rather high dose of Ritalin with diminished results (i.e. he was calm in school to the point of being dopey). Jesse found the Dexadrine rather effective for him. He was on holiday from meds this summer (primarily because his step-father got out of the Air Force and the medical insurance in the new job does not kick in until October) and while he did get a little forgetful at times, he handled himself rather well overall. Jesse is undecided as to whether he want to go back onto the Dexadrine. Since he is 17 I think he is old enough to make this decision so I am not pushing the meds on him. So how long have you been on Dexadrine? Have you noticed any side effects? Cheers, Lucy ... He's not dead, Jim. He's Metabolically Challenged --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 --- InterEcho 1.11 * Origin: The Cheshire Cat BBS, Huber Heights OH, U.S.A. (1:110/1035) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00019Date: 09/06/96 From: COURTNEY WOOD Time: 03:10pm \/To: TYLER HARTSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Adult ADHD/ADD Tyler, Since you expressed the opinion: TH>well, I've done my fair share of adult groups and I am not yet TH>convinced that adult ADHD exists...I think with most adults with the TH>exception of perhaps bi-polar and Schizo and some Anx. disorders, TH>most are contrived and grossly impairing defense mechs... Allow me to express an opinion. Perhaps you should include in your adult groups some ADD support group meetings. Or talk with one of the doctors who use one of the (at least three different methods that I know of) empirical (albeit expensive) testing. Or, ask the family members of adults with ADD. Maybe check out some of the RESEARCH oh the topic. In the meantime, I'm not yet convinced you exist. Or that you're not in denial about your own ADD. cdwood --- CmpQwk #UNREG UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: Morning Star & Policenet (1:106/3118.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00020Date: 09/09/96 From: MARYANN KOCHANKO Time: 05:22am \/To: MARY MARCARIO (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD...ETC.. Hi Mary, > MK> chalked > MK> up his behaviour for an inablity to express himself. Making him very > MK> frustrated. > Amen. I wonder if this another common "trait" among > children with this > affliction? Several other parents I've spoken with > have voiced that common > thread. Hmmmm... food for thought. I think they also get frustrated due to the fact that in school everyone else is getting A's and understanding what is said and they are not, so they see themselves as different. Begin to feel stupid and then have the beginings of depression and low self esteem. I see it in my son. Can be a dangerous chip to carry the rest of your life. > Thank goodness for *his* sake as well as yours. It's > amazing that the Doctors > will actually exhaust *every* one, especially the > children to such an extent > before they will even CONSIDER these possibilities! I I said to my son's pediatrician, I really don't care what is wrong with him or which diorder he has whether it is phsyical or emotional, all I want is to see it fixed. He needs help and that is obvious, and I intend to see him get it. Yes, I was mad and so many parents are afraid of doctors and treat them like gods. When in reality they are not. They make mistakes I see that as a nurse and I also saw that on a personal level when I was sick and no one could diagnose me. They happen to make a huge error in my case and I don't want to say all doctors are this way, or sound like I dislike them. There are very good doctors but they are human like the rest of us and will make mistakes. > One last infuriating occurance that has been *irking* > me is when an > "authority" figure had the audacity to say to me... > "Why don't you just put > the kid up for adoption or in an institution where he > belongs, and make it > easy on yourself?" Needless to say I told him what he > could do and have never > seen him again, Thand God!!!!!!!!!! Good for you!!!!! MaryAnn --- FMail 1.0g * Origin: (1:267/124.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDD00021Date: 09/09/96 From: MARYANN KOCHANKO Time: 05:27am \/To: MARIE WEIDEMANN (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD...ETC.. Hi Marie, > Hi Maryann, this is Mary's mother, Marie. We are > both aware that ADD > and ADHD is genetic. I had 3 sons that were > diagnosed as "Hyperactive". > They were a handful. I had 8 children altogether > so I really had my > hands full. But somehow I made it through, mostly > sane....:) Today I > am sure my boys would be considered ADHD or ADD > children. My one son Bless you soul, I have trouble with one I can't immagine having 3 with the disorder. I have two other children who don't have it. But, I can see on a daily basis it takes a toll on them too.:) > I understand what Mary is going through and help > as much as I can. We > live next door to one another so she can call me > whenever she needs to. > Joey has improved on his medicine but he can > still be a little over > aggressive at times. His sister copies some of > his behavior. She is > being tested to see if she is ADD. Mary is so lucky to have you, having support really helps especially when things get really rough and you feel like pulling your hair out and screaming why me? My boyfriend helps me keep it together he is a very understanding person and when things get real hairy, he lets me lean on his shoulder and if it weren't for him. I think I would have gone nuts by now. > So we realize that the new baby may be another > ADHD child. But this time > we will know what to do and take him/her to the > doctor right away. At least you know what to look for now. I hope you don't have another ADHD child, but if you do, starting early will help him out greatly.:) TTYL MaryAnn > ... I am a mental tourist, my mind wanders. > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 > --- GEcho 1.00 > * Origin: PHOENIX RISING*WB,PA*STARWITCH*(1:268/442) > (1:268/442) --- FMail 1.0g * Origin: (1:267/124.1) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDE00000Date: 09/07/96 From: TRACY WIRS Time: 11:04pm \/To: LISE MAIDMAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ADD & Relationships -=> Did Lise Maidman actually say this? LM> I have never been hyperactive, nor has my oldest boy, however, the LM> other symptoms that we have are at time difficult to deal with, ie., LM> depression, moody, inattentive, being a loner. LM> Any suggestions would be appreciated. Lise Maidman Snag _Driven to Distraction_; there's a section in there on ADD and relationships.... as well as tips on how to deal with children who have ADD/ADHD. It's a good, well-written book by two doctors who have ADD themselves. Blessings, T. Wirs ... Cat bumper sticker: Life is hard, then you nap. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 --- ViaMAIL!/WC5 v1.00k * Origin: The POST BBS * Knoxville,TN * {423} 691-1887 (1:3615/81) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DDE00001Date: 09/07/96 From: TRACY WIRS Time: 11:05pm \/To: DUSTIN HALSTEAD (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: ADHD (What else) -=> Did Dustin Halstead actually say this? DH> I then came back.... gathered my belongings and returned. As usual DH> nothing went well and I returned back here and am now living with my DH> parents again... and starting collage soon... I'm going to theripy and DH> trying different kinds of DH> medication... yet none seem to do any good. I still wonder what will DH> become of my life. DON'T GIVE UP! If the usual meds won't work, then perhaps (under your psychiatrist's supervision) the unusual ones will: herbals. I know that they aren't universally recognized, but perhaps they will work for where the usual medications won't. If not....well, keep trying and keep POSITIVE! You *can* take control of your life; it may be a bit harder than other folk, but it *can* be done! I know --I have had some of the same problems you did growing up. At least you're getting help earlier in your life than I am..... I am still not sure what I really want to do as far as a career.... Blessings & Luck, T. Wirs ... There's intelligent life on earth, but I'm just visiting. ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 --- ViaMAIL!/WC5 v1.00k * Origin: The POST BBS * Knoxville,TN * {423} 691-1887 (1:3615/81)