--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBH00000Date: 07/11/96 From: JIM WALSH Time: 10:55pm \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: adhd Hi Bob.... -=> Quoting Bob Moylan to Jim Walsh <=- BM> Excellent Jim, thanks for sharing. I am, btw, with you, our 9 year BM> old boy with ADHD simply can't manage any part of his life without BM> his meds. Thanks for your reply. Will stay in touch Bob, take care. ... Fido's been bringing me mail again....good dog fido. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: The Country Owl BBS *519-693-7152* (1:2401/504) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBI00000Date: 07/10/96 From: BRENDAN MOIR Time: 07:03am \/To: WO OLDER SISTERS ARE DYSLEXIC AS WA (Read 2 times) Subj: every member of my immediate family is l07:03:0007/10/96 poor parenting Or a rationalization tool to explain why her kids were all fucked up. so when this add thing surfaced about a year ago I took it very lightly. "Shure Mom," .... "We've all got add"....... Have you been talking to the space people again?" (they were the People responsible for all the codependents in the late eighties. M y fiend Dave is a family counselor and last month I was venting at him when he suggested we look at the D.M.S.R. to see what it said. He showed me the page with the symptom behaviors and we were both a little shocked. Of the 14 or so examples all but three were things I would consider (on a scale of 1-5, 5 being most frequent,) at least 4's. Dave said " yea, But ya see They've got to last at least 6 months." I said that I couldnt remember a time when I didnt do all those things. So now what. We've got a name for my lack of organization. But can someone tell me what I can do about it. It's like some cruel joke Played on an Olympic sprinter, "I Know I can run like hell If I could just get the damn laces untied " --- * Origin: The Learning Curve - Torrance, CA. (310) 371-0007 (1:102/332) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBI00001Date: 07/10/96 From: BRENDAN MOIR Time: 07:21am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: venting Well lets see how this thing works. `Hello All, I'm, Brendan. I hope you'll excuse me for venting. As far as I can tell every member of my immediate family is learning disabled in some fashion or another. My two older sisters are dyslexic as was my father. My mother @ 65yr.s h as been diagnosed w/add and she's convinced that I as well as my late father were stricken. When she grade school she would place her coat over her head in class so she could concentrate enough to read. She suffered from hypothyroidism/low bloodpressure and was prescribed Dexedrine/thyroid when she was in jr.h.s. to maintain her weight/blood pressure. Then a miracle occurred. Suddenly she could concentrate for as long as she cared to with out distraction. Her grades improved dramatically as did her spirits. All thanks to the thyroid (or so the doctors thought). She continued taking dex. for another ten years till her doctor became concerned with possible side effects (i.e. addiction). My father had a genius I.Q. and was the finest engineer in the country in his chosen field of expertise. But he was also a organizational disaster. He would often become lost coming home from work or misplace he briefcase coming in from the car to the house. Ive always read at an excelerated level for my age and in the first grade was ear-marked for the gifted students program when the funding in Cal. was cut. Some time around the first or second grade (for reasons still unclear to me), I stopped using the toilet for defecation. and within a year I was in an alternative methods school. I stayed there till 7th grade when I transferred back to public school and the real problems started. I was getting A's in science w/out studying a lick, as well as A's and B's in history and math. But I was failing English I couldn't write cursive and my printing was nearly illegible. I was so stressed by my first fifteen page report that II dropped out of the 7th grade half way through the last semester rather than completing it. I returned again in the fall for the 8th grade claiming to have come down with a bad case of lice to explain my absence. My friend Eric and I had most of our classes together In high school And about half of his essays were dictated to him by me as I would pace around his living room, bouncing Ideas of the walls. He would always get B's with those papers, while I would procrastinate mine till 6 hours before It was due and grind out a D. My Jr. yr. term paper was a 5-0m page report that sent me into a my first real depression. I stopped going to classes and then getting out of bed till I was assured that I could start fresh in another district a month later, after being diagnosed with disgraphia (though not given any tools to deal with my handicap and only half convinced the was one). as time went on I would half jokingly ask my mother if she belonged to the disability of the month club. Partially succumbing to my grandmother and second oldest brothers views that all this talk of dyslexia and disgraphia was either a smoke screen for my mothers' poor parenting Or a rationalization tool to explain why her kids were all fucked up. So when this add thing surfaced about a year ago I took it very lightly. "Shure Mom," .... "We've all got add"....... Have you been talking to the space people again?" (They were the People responsible for all the codependents in the late eighties. My fiend Dave is a family counselor and last month I was venting at him when he suggested we look at the D.M.S.R. to see what it said. He showed me the page with the symptom behaviors and we were both a little shocked. Of the 14 or so examples all but three were things I would consider (on a scale of 1-5, 5 being most frequent,) at least 4's. Dave said " yea, But ya see They've got to last at least 6 months." I said that I couldnt remember a time when I didnt do all those things. So now what. We've got a name for my lack of organization. But can someone tell me what I can do about it. It's like some cruel joke Played on an Olympic sprinter, "I Know I can run like hell If I could just get the damn laces untied " --- * Origin: The Learning Curve - Torrance, CA. (310) 371-0007 (1:102/332) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBI00002Date: 07/13/96 From: LINDA HEIR Time: 02:57pm \/To: SUZANNE STEWART (Read 2 times) Subj: Pycnogenol Suzanne, Sorry to take so long in reading your e-mail response. Thanks for sharing. We are sending our order this week. Despite the multi-level marketing, which we dislike, our son is in need of some internal assistance. We thought we could wait until we talk with other parents of boys with Klinefelter Syndrome at the national conference in Seattle at the end of this month, but your "testimonial" was the clincher. You would consider yourself unbiased, wouldn't you? Linda --- WM v3.10/92-0249 * Origin: DRAGnet/DIDnet: Quality Disability Info 612.753.1943 (1:282/1007.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBI00003Date: 07/13/96 From: MICHAEL BULL Time: 10:38am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Hiya! Hiya, all! I've been lurking here for awhile, but I figured I should show my face... :) I'm ADHD, and entering University in the fall. I'm just thanking my lucky stars that the U that I'll be going to actually believe in LDs! Their Centre for Students with Disabilities is really good. Yay! It was kinda funny though, as when I sat down with them awhile ago to get the paperwork in order for next year, I got to have a look at my psycho-educational report (I had to pick it up from my old school board's offices that day). She read through it -- 91st percentile this, 86th percentile that, 98th percentile this, 94th percentile that... Short term memory recall? 4th percentile. DOH! :) ... so basically, I probably will do OK in University, as long as I figure out how to get to classes. And where there are, and when they are, and what books I need, and what's due when, and... WAIT A SEC! This sounds like highschool all over again...! DOH! Regards, Michael * 1st 2.00 ~ Ability OnLine Information: info@ablelink.org --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBI00004Date: 07/12/96 From: HETTY JOWETT Time: 10:20pm \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 2 times) Subj: RE: [1/2] RE: SCHOOL -> Extreme tempers can be some other disorder as well. My 8 year old has -> this and has always had it. They tried to tell me it is depression, but -> I believe he may have ADHD and ODD. I don't think children are born with -> depression and since they couldn't figure out why he was depressed I am -> leaning towards another opinion. I realize tempers go along with alot of disorders, but you would think they might help a little more by ordering some more tests that may brighten the picture. I agree with you. Children are not more "bad" or "depressed". These two I feel have to be learned experiences. Depression may be because of ADD/ADHD or ODD or Tourettes and therefore the root of the whole depression could be avoided if we parents are better informed of our children's symptoms. I would go for another opinion. Depression only gets worse if not treated. -> I do my own behavior management at home. I look at their behavior and -> try to help my children find a way to deal or cope with it. Behavior -> treatments only work if the other problems or disorders are somewhat -> under control. Other wise they can't sort out the why, where and how's -> to logically look at themselves. All they know is I did this and I don't -> know why. And of course, the story goes what works for one doesn't lways -> work for the other. So what you pay money for is a trial and error that -> you can do at home. Exactly! I do the same at home. And by keeping up to date with TS and ADD/ADHD I think this is invaluable. When you've had one of those days where you'd like to drop them off at Children's Aid (not that I ever would, but those days exist for all of us) A support group meeting or lecture by an informed doctor or a new book out, these things all help give those days a solution. -> neurologist can better decide if medication is best at this time. And -> this Disruptive Behavior Disorder could mean ADHD or ODD or both or so -> many other disorders. I think people are just afraid to give specific -> diagnosis. -> Hang in there. Maybe your neurologist can give a better diagnosis on -> this. Good point. I know there is definitely something going on in this child's little head and I have to get an answer for him. I have to be to help him. Anyhow, on another note: how's things been around your house? My husband flew out of town for the week and my 2 boys went to my sisters for the week. But, alas, my Father-in-law was still home. He has TS and OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). The OCD is worse but triggered by the TS. Ts people HAVE to be told what's coming. They can't handle any surprises. Although we knew that my husband would be out of town, we didn't know the boys would be. That was on a whim. My sister wanted them for a week and we only decided last Sat. and they went up on Sun. Not good for the Father-in-law. Garbage day is Thurs. but I heard about when and where we should put the garbage out since MON!!! He golfs everyday and he would ask me every day when I was leaving for work the next morning. He knows that for the past 8 months, Mon thru Fri I leave at 7:30 a.m. And he would be on my case from the minute I get home about moving the cars so he wouldn't have to in the morning because he was leaving at 7:15!! He itries to be very polite about it and I can't blame him. It's the TS/OCD but when you're the only one in the house that has to listen to it, it gets a bit much. Patience. Patience. Patience. I running out and the kids are coming home tomorrow and the husband and they'll all be wound up from their week's travels. I'm gonna start drinkin'!!!! I'll be biting my tongue so much over the weekend I may not have one left on Mon.! Oh,well, life goes on and I love them all dearly. ttyl <<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>> Hetty Jowett * 1st 1.11 ~ I'm much too young to feel this damned old --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0150 * Origin: Ability OnLine - Toronto Canada - 416 650-5411 (1:250/518) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBJ00000Date: 07/01/96 From: JANET RICHARDSON Time: 03:13am \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Intro Hiya all Just a quick intro as i am running out of time. I am 27 years old with ADHD and am married to a 32 year old man with ADHD and we have a 10 year old son with ADHD, Tourettes, OCD, ODD, ELD, and schizophrenia. We are having lots of hassels with schools with our son and have had to pull him out. When i get back on here i will read some msgs as i think you may be able to help us and maybe we can help you. Feel free to ask anything you want. I have to go for now b4 i get kicked off, Hope to talk to you all soon Take care Janet :-) --- TMail v1.31.5 * Origin: Common Ground (21 lines - 9600) Tel +61-8-223-2131 (3:800/816) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBJ00001Date: 07/01/96 From: ARMAND HAINE Time: 11:55am \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Frustration and meds. Hi Regina, I can understand your computer woes. Somehow the lack of anything one's child is interested in and is deeply involved in can I think, play quite an important role in your child's emotional well being. The very notion that they haven't got their favorite computer or computer program at the ready, does open some problems, especially with kids and ADHD or ADD. You mentioned sitting down with them and discussing things out with them. While I agree it's a good thing to iron things out 'twixt your kids, one has to keep at it, often. Even tho' you'd like to give up altogether and you probably have in the past, you still have to try and you'll be repeating yourself so often you wonder if it's sinking thru. I can understand how you feel, really. You did kinda answer some of your own questions, questions if you're spending enough time with them and the like. I think you're doing just fine. Hang in there. I was dismayed that tone of them turned to lighting paper. Our son turned to using reams and reams of scotch tape from one and of his bedroom to the other side. He had rigged it up so that if you walked in blindly your chest/face was taped. I was annoyed as it was for school, but I failed to undersatnd the reason, and with him, there was no reason to do it. Bordom? Probably! As far as medicines go, unless instructed by your doctor, it wouldn't be a good thing to hold or stop the medicines. If you did, you'd pretty much have to start the whole cycle again and the further possiblity of frustration. If they are taking it as part of their daily routine, continue with it. My son is on dexamphatmine and trofenal (spelling) and while he's doing pretty well at school, he can be a DEVIL to live with at home. He is quite defiant and the trofenal is suppose to help, but that medication only works over a long period of time. So by not keeping up with it we would be letting ourselves in for a continued struggle! You mentioned that alot of focusing in the summer isn't needed. I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you're referring to the giving of their medications, then even more so. Just because it's the holidays and the kids have all this free time, you can't ease of it because it's easy. Any parent with 'hyper' kids will tell you pretty much the same thing, perhaps in great detail. Like everyone else on this echo, I don't mind listening! All the best and let us know how things go! Later! Armand RF> Regina RF> -!- RF> ! Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) --- Blue Wave/Max v2.20 [NR] * Origin: Computer Connection - Adelaide Aust.(+618) 326 2388 (3:800/809.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBJ00002Date: 07/14/96 From: JANE SEGAL Time: 09:52am \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Diagnosis ReginaFinanLisaGano19:5807-10-96Re: Diagnosis RF> I have the application. The problem is my husband and I are self RF>employed and our income goes up and down every month. It seems that RF>we make too much to get on medicaid and just under what the caring RF>program. You see last year we only made 18,000 but in the summer RF>months is when we make all the money. So you end up getting kicked RF>off in the summer--plus my husband pays his guys cash. We he gets RF>paid they get paid right on the spot. We don't have checking RF>accounts because of our financial burden we don't dare put our self RF>in that position. Of course, we may look into it again. I heard RF>social services has changed a few things, but I really hate that RF>route. I would rather just be poor by myself. RF> Regina HI Rigina, I know exactly how you are feeling. When I was first injured, our total income was cut in half. Fortunately, we now receive SS (my husband had it all ready, so by we, I meant I was able to qualify and so was my son. But the wait for it all to kick in was unbearable. We nearly lost our humble old trailer. Now, things are smoother and hopefully, Ken will be off SS, soon. All I can say is that I hope you have faith that it will all work out, eventually. I'd rather be an optimist. Good Luck, Jane RF>--- RF> * Origin: Nite Lite BBS (1:2410/534) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." - The Reluctant Messiah, by Richard Bach Jane Segal FIDO: 1:209/276 * CmpQwk #UNREG * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY -*- SF-Quick/BW 1.00r [#44] --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#130) * Origin: The "us" Project, BBS * Wilmington DE * USR D/S 16.8k (1:150/8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBJ00003Date: 07/13/96 From: THOMAS KISH Time: 03:29am \/To: JENNIFER LEWIS (Read 2 times) Subj: I'm with Ryan -> Thanks for the Howdy! Ryan and I have been having a bit of a rough time -> lately and I'm not sure why. He seems to be feeling (as I interpret it) a -> need to be as "different" from who he really is as possible. Is this -> common? I mean, he went and got an earring (it looks good, but it just -> isn't what I see as the REAL Ryan...know what I mean?), he's been driving -> real fast, and he's just been different. He claims he doesn't know why he's -> acting this way and I believe him, but it sure is frustrating because if e -> doesn't know what he's feeling, how can anyone else? I'm also not sure if -> I'm part of the problem. You see, my sister just passed away suddenly she -> was 27) and I'm EXTREMELY vulnerable. Anything he does or says I take -> personally. It's really hard to see what the real problem is. Anyway, -> thanks for writing back. Well Jennifer, there could be any number of things causing the erratic behavior. I know personally, my wife tells me that I have a tendancy towards changing suddenly like that. Unfortunately this may be Ryan's way of coping with the ADD/ADHD, as ADDer's we tend to get bored easily. Then without warning we're off to find something new and exciting to overcome the boredom and focus our minds on something. The best bet right now, would be for you to learn as much about ADD/ADHD as possible. There are a couple of books out that explain the disorder in ways that anyone can understand if they wish to learn about the disorder. "DRIVEN TO DISTRACTION" by Hallowell & Rattey s a real good down to the basics type book, and then "YOU MEAN I'M NOT LAZY STUPID OR CRAZY" by Kelley and Ramundo is good for learning how ADD effects adults. P.S. The driving fast, causes the adrenaline to stimulate the brain, making t easier to focus on the road. Not that I'm advocating it, but just rying to explain the reason he may be doing this. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 2 Beta * Origin: Electronic Dreamland 313-285-0217 (1:2410/608)