--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBA00004Date: 06/29/96 From: THOMAS KISH Time: 08:42pm \/To: CAL MAKER (Read 2 times) Subj: Re: Ritalin -> -=> Quoting Cal Maker to All <=- -> CM> I took Ritalin before, from my mother's request, but I decided to CM> -> stop taking it because it was doing wierd things to me, seeing as how CM> -> it's a form of SPEED and all. It made my heart go 90 so I was like CM> -> constantly pumped, which also caused me to sweat excessivly. I would CM> -> like to hear from anybody who has also had the same side effects, or CM> -> any other side effects from Ritalin. It's so stupid what people will CM> do -> nowadays! For instance, when I told a friend about my side effects CM> from -> Ritalin, the next day, guys at my High School were coming up to me CM> -> trying to buy the stuff from me!! I mean, how dumb can a person get?? CM> -> It's a perscription drug ( major fines for selling it, or illegal CM> drugs, -> but that's not the point. ) . -> CM> So, anyone out there know something better to use than Ritalin, I need -> CM> something to help me concentrate at school! Cal don't give up, work with your doctor and keep him informed of what's oing on. If one medicine doesn't work for you, you will need to try a different type of medication, such as an antidepressant like tofranil or welbutrin. he brain is so complex, that no two ADDers are alike. Ritalin is the most commonly used med because it has a good success rate, but it does not work in all cases. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/2 * Origin: Electronic Dreamland 313-285-0217 (1:2410/608) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBA00005Date: 07/02/96 From: THOMAS KISH Time: 06:57am \/To: JANE SEGAL (Read 2 times) Subj: Ritalin -> LG>I believe Ritalin is a form of speed, or at least it works that way LG>on -> people who do not have ADHD. That's why so many kids are into LG>taking t -> these days--kids without ADHD, I mean. They get a high LG>like Cal -> described, and for someone who wants to be hyper and does LG>not have DHD, -> it does the trick! -> -> I do believe that Lisa is correct on this one. As I think back to when this -> first surfaced, they discovered that giving a hyper active child speed would -> create the opposite reation in a child than it does in an adult. Ritalin -> was, I believe as one of the first drugs for kids with "hyper activity." -> This was before the terms ADD/ADHD were used. Lisa is correct. But as for the opposite reaction in children as opposed to adults, that is not true. Ritalin, or any other stimulant will have the same effect on an ADD/ADHD adult as it does on an ADD/ADHD child. The most common explanation for ADD is that the brain does not produce enough neurotransmitters (specifically dopamine). Ritaln causes the brain to create more of a couple types of neurotransmitters (dopamine included), which allows the ADD/ADHD brain to behave more like the so called normal brain. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/2 * Origin: Electronic Dreamland 313-285-0217 (1:2410/608) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBA00006Date: 07/02/96 From: THOMAS KISH Time: 10:36pm \/To: REGINA FINAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Diagnosis -> know. Please help me sort this out as I am going crazy. Some info on the -> above disorders would help. I am going to have to do something fast as I am -> begining to get afraid I will wake up dead (burned house or some- thing; -> that may be an exaggeration, but you get the picture). Thanks. Regina, I think that it may be time to switch to a doctor who specializes in treating ADD/ADHD. Since I see that you are local to me, there is a clinic n Fort Street in Wyandotte, south of Northline called Wyandotte Medical Center. This place deals with ADD/ADHD patients (of which I am one) on a regular basis. I think that if at all possible you may want to check them out. Also the doctor who diagnosed the boys, obviously is lacking in the ADD department, because depression is quite frequently found in ADD/ADHD people. Since they both have to do with the neurotransmitters of the brain. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22/2 * Origin: Electronic Dreamland 313-285-0217 (1:2410/608) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBA00007Date: 07/04/96 From: WALTER FIVE Time: 11:50pm \/To: MICHAEL KINGSBURY (Read 2 times) Subj: Questions about Ritilin *** Quoting Michael Kingsbury to All dated 06-17-96 *** > Hey! all! > > Ok, here's the story. I was diagnosed with ADD in 8th grade, about 4-5 > years ago. Up to last year, I've been taking ritilin, when last year > the slowly building intolerance to it finally got too much, and I > started getting sick on mondays. I've heard that some of the Ritilin > (generic vs real thing), the other chemicals can cause this. Does > anyone have any experience with this?? > > good winds & fair seas... Mike, Maybe you might want to think about giving another medicine a trial run. Get your tolerances to Ritalin back down to normal levels. I understand it's a good thing to switch occasionally, if you're using the stimulants like Ritalin and Dexedrine. Dexidrine can be difficult to legally find. A lot of Pharmacies don't and won't carry it. It's a Federal Schedule Class II Drug. But you might find it good to get on for a few months, get you off the Ritalin for a short time, lower your tolerance, get back on Ritalin before the cumulative side-effects of the Dexedrine catch up with you. I'd discuss this with your doctor, of course, if I were you. Ritalin can have some cumulative side effects itself, your "morning sickness" might be part of that... --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Wizards Realm BBS 1-713-946-7315 1:106/7315 (1:106/7315) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBA00008Date: 07/05/96 From: LISA GANO Time: 07:02am \/To: BOB MOYLAN (Read 2 times) Subj: Ritalin -> We seem to have arrived at an impasse. You are convinced you are -> right and don't want to hear anything else about it or check with -> a professional who has, or should have, readily available I am not totally convinced I'm right. That is why I originally stated that "I believe". I'm quite sure I'm right, but if you want to provide me with a list of references that proves your point, I will check them out. You are the one who comes across as if you knw you are right, and therefore will listen to nobody else's views with an open mind. -> Please look it up and, while your at it, read the side effects -> section carefully paying close attention to the part that discusses -> frequency of side effects, duration etc. I will assume that you know -> it is mandatory for the PDR to list ALL side effects no matter what -> the percentage of a control group exhibited them. I'm aware of the possible side effects. I'm also aware that for most people they are minor and wear off after a short period once their body adjusts to the drug. -> You've got that backasswards. Please do a little in depth reading -> if, for no other reason, to improve your own understanding. I'm sorry to contradict you, but I really think you are the one who needs to do some reading here. Maybe the problem is that nobody knows for sure exactly what ADD/ADHD are, or what causes it, and different researchers may come up with different theories. It is, however, widely accepted that in people with ADD/ADHD a part of their brain works more slowly than it does in other people, and Ritalin speeds up that part of the brain, allowing the person to pay attention more fully than they previously did. I wish I had some articles to cite, but I am in a temporary living situation until my house is built and everything is in storage. --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: The Coral Reef HOME OF SAPPHIRE SOFTWARE (1:239/600.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBB00000Date: 07/05/96 From: SCOTT CURRY Time: 05:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Hi I'm new and full of questions Hi all. My roomates eldest son , sean, has been diagnosed as having AHAD. He is under going treatment and is on redlin. His mother and I make sure that he makes every apointment and that he does get his meds on time. He's only six, and at times it is so frustrating watching him try to do what he's supposed to at home. Unforutnately, that's where several questions begin to rise thier ugly heads. For example, his toys. He will be playing with toys and told it's time to pick up. Immediately he becomes argumentative and fussy. Six or seven attempts later, I start reaching the boiling point and begin to yell at him. I know this wrong and I am really trying to correct myself with this. How did some of you parents break yourself of this. Any help would be greatly appreciated Also other than an almost imediate loss of appetite is there any other side affects of redlin <10mg 3/day> that I should be watching for? Again help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Gallant Warrior Honor above all ... REALITY.SYS corrupted - Reboot Universe (Y/N)? --- * Hot off Scott's desk * ~~~ TGWave v1.12 [NR] --- Smile :) * Origin: * The Beast's Lair * (804)498-3070 * Va Beach VA * (1:275/160) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBB00001Date: 07/06/96 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 04:21pm \/To: LISA GANO (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD/ADHD Lisa Gano On (05 Jul 96) was overheard to say to Bob Moylan LG> I am not totally convinced I'm right. That is why I originally stated LG> that "I believe". I'm quite sure I'm right, but if you want to LG> provide me with a list of references that proves your point, I will LG> check them out. Glad to, please see list in post following this one. LG> You are the one who comes across as if you knw you are right, LG> and therefore will listen to nobody else's views with an open mind. What you have been saying contradicts EVERYTHING that I've read, and I haven't limited my reading to a single researcher. LG> Maybe the problem is that nobody knows for sure exactly what LG> ADD/ADHD are, Oh I think that most who post here are very much aware of what ADD/ADHD is especially if they have one or the other or are going batty trying to parent a child with either. That no two are exactly the same is a given...lots of similarities but not the same. That's what is so damned frustrating when trying to deal with someone who knows next to nothing about it. LG> or what causes it, Almost the first thing you've said I agree with no "cause" has been identified; lots of things eliminated as causes such as bad parenting, diet, food additives (altho some cause allergic reactions that exacerbate ADHD), etc.. LG> and different researchers may come up with different theories. Name some.... LG> It is, however, widely accepted that in people with ADD/ADHD a LG> part of their brain works more slowly than it does in other LG> people, and Ritalin speeds up that part of the brain, allowing the LG> person to pay attention more fully than they previously did. Widely accepted by who? That statement totally and absolutely contradicts what all legitimate research has shown over and over and illustrates that you seem to be relying on hearsay, rumors, or who knows what for your information. LG> I wish I had some articles to cite, but I am in a temporary living LG> situation until my house is built and everything is in storage. I wish you did too, something, anything that would support what you are saying. In the absence of any it must be taken as your opinion. ... Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBB00002Date: 07/06/96 From: BOB MOYLAN Time: 04:55pm \/To: LISA GANO (Read 2 times) Subj: Suggestions for reading Lisa Gano On (05 Jul 96) was overheard to say to Bob Moylan LG> I'm quite sure I'm right, but if you want to provide me with a LG> list of references that proves your point, I will check them out. Suggested Reading: DSM IV Barkley R. Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder: A handbook for Diagnosis and Treatment. New York, NY: The Guilford Press; 1990 Comprehensive evaluation of attention deficit disorder with and without hyperactivity as defined by research criteria. J Consult Clin Pyschol. 1990;58:775-789 Biederman, MD et al Comorbidity of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder with conduct, depressive anxiety, and other disorders. Am J Psychiary 1991;148:564-577 Braswell, L. et al ADHD: A guide to Understanding and Helping Children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder in School Settings. Minneapolis, MN: University of Minnesota Professional Development; 1991 Culbert, TP. et al Children who have Attentional Disorders: Interventions. Pediatrics in Review 1994;15:5-14 Hinshaw, SP. Stimulant medication and the treatment of aggression in children with attentional deficits. J Clin Child Psychol. 1991;20:301-312 Kelly, DP et al Attention deficits in school-aged children and adolescents: current issues and practice. Pediatr Clin North Am. 1992;39:487-512 McCracken JT. A two-part model of stimulant action on attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children. J Neuropsychiatry. 1991;3:201-209 Reiff, MI. et al Children Who Have Attentional Disorders: Diagnosis and Evaluation. Pediatrics in Review 1993;14:455-464 Also everything you can find authored or co-authored by Dr. Allen Zametkin; Dr Mel Levine; Dr. John Ratay and Hallowell (who's first name escapes me at the moment) Barbara Ingersoll and a host of others. ... Pandora's Law: Never open a box you didn't close yourself --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: What's The Point? Virginia Beach, VA USA (1:275/429.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBC00000Date: 07/06/96 From: TRACY WIRS Time: 05:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: ADD Web forums? I know there's a forum on the major online services for ADHD, but I don't really want to pay the high prices (nor do I want to go there for that; I go there to do some role-playing to blow off steam). Anyone know any Web sites that have forums on ADD/ADHD? Also to Martin --I can't remember how to *spell* your last name.... I've just gotten the official verdict: I have ADD. What rights do I have as an American citizen under the ADA? Where can I find insurance to help pay for therapy for this? And some others...... :> Blessings, T. Wirs --- Platinum Xpress/Wildcat! v1.2j * Origin: THE POST BBS : Knoxville, TN : 423-691-1887 (1:3615/81) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 222 ATTENTION DEF. Ref: DBC00001Date: 07/07/96 From: JERRY SCHWARTZ Time: 04:51pm \/To: SCOTT CURRY (Read 2 times) Subj: Hi I'm new and full of questions On Jul 05 17:32 96, Scott Curry of 1:275/160 wrote to All: SC> He will be playing with toys and told it's time to pick up. SC> Immediately he becomes argumentative and fussy. Six or seven SC> attempts later, I start reaching the boiling SC> point and begin to yell at him. I know this wrong and I am SC> really trying to correct myself with this. How did some of you SC> parents break yourself of this. Any help would be greatly SC> appreciated The argumentative and fussy stuff is possibly not related to the ADHD. In any case, when my son was between 6 and 9 we went through something like this, usually about homework. He would get more and more frustrated because he just couldn't get a handle on the task. Often he would have to reach the crying stage and calm down again before proceeding. In any case, the other thing that worked was to stay calm but be a relentless presence. If he was calm enough, then I could get results by breaking down the work into tiny steps. "Pick up your toys" would lead to frustration and tears; "Pick up the blocks and put them in the box" would work, then "Put the box on the shelf" would work, etc. Jerry Schwartz --- MsgedSQB 3.30.01 * Origin: Write by Night (1:142/928)