--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00011 Date: 05/12/98 From: DAVE MORROW Time: 01:33am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hi! Hi. I'm new here and I'm interested in talking about UFOs. I have read a couple of books about them, and I'm always interested in reading UFO stories and stuff like that! SO.... What do you guys think about the Roswell thing? Real or Fake? ... Oh you didn't know? Your ass better call somebody! -New Age Outlaws ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The Babbling Brook, Stittsville, ON.CANADA (613)831-0251 (1:163/333) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00012 Date: 05/12/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 05:30pm \/To: BOB KING (Read 0 times) Subj: Big Bang > crossposted from BAMA > Hi, >> The Big Bang was caught by scientists who determined >> that the explosion ocurred 12 Billion (or Million) >> light years from Earth. They believe this explosion >> was caused by a Black Hole swallowing a Neutron Star. > I saw the news report on this and the question arises then that if > this was the case then the statement that light cannot escape from a > black hole becomes redundant. It was also, I would say, just a guess > by some scientist as to what it actually was and what caused it. > sig rex That part of the explosion that occurs outside the event horizon would be visible. (Who needs George anyhow?) And any statement made in reference to black holes is generally considered as "guess work." ;-) Regards, Jack E-Mail: ufo1@juno.com - Internet ICQ #12050443 --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Netmail: (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00013 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 01:51am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: UPN to Air Mexico UFO Video! Hi Fred, On 10 May 98 you wrote to me and said: PF>> I was not referring to totally fabricated articles that defame a person FA> You are talking what typos. That is not how you posted. You are FA> now nitpicking. I am talking gist of a story, you are talking shades FA> of a color. No, Fred, I ignore typos. I am talking about information that is factually wrong Fa> No one is an expert on everything, certainly not FA> reporters, No, of course not. And that is why they should be extra careful about quoting experts wrongly. I am certain you must have seen articles that made you scoff when they were about evenys that you had personal knowledge of or about things pertaining to your particular field of special knowledge. Leave it for now and I will find and send you a transcript of some glaringly wrong information. Hafta find some first! _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00014 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:00am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Bones on the Moon Hi Fred, On 11 May 98 you wrote to all and said: RN>> The photograph of the human skeleton was included in a second batch of RN>> photos and documents he received from the same source this fall. FA> Ok, I won't be cruel. I was writing a long string of laughter. Of FA> course a U.S source would send it to the Chinese. Sure. If such a I expect this news to appear in Nexus magazine any day. If you don't know this mag it originates in Australia, has international coverage and generally USA flavour (their main target is US military) The USA office can be reached at sergfx@earthlink.net or phone 815 253 6464 (Illinois). They specialise in this sort of exposition. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00015 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:03am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: From insight magazine Hi Fred, On 11 May 98 you wrote to me and said: PF>> So it's not surprising that most of Americans believe it! As long as PF>> the public is obsessed with UFOs, they won't pay too much attention to PF>> what their government is doing. Nero used circuses. FA> You must be talking about the proposed New Zealand invasion..... Do you mean invasion of NZ or by NZ? Did you ever see the movie, `The Mouse that Roared'? _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00016 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:04am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: UPN to Air Mexico UFO Video! Hi Fred, On 11 May 98 you wrote to me and said: FA> technical mistakes. Be more specific, it helps..... Quite right. I will find examples. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00017 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:17am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: I'm back....(Look out!) Hi Fred, On 11 May 98 you wrote to me and said: FA> What are we debating here. I quoted no one. I was asking a question FA> and making a comment, and here we are rambling on as to genuine photos FA> and I am passing on folklore from something. Patrick there is no FA> quote. I was asking Mr. Bloomberg why he has a problem with his FA> friends. There was no quote. Stop digging yourself deeper..... You asked him why he couldn't accept his friends word that they were genuine. But the friend only said they could find no evidence of tampering. They did not say they were genuine. Those were *YOUR* words, not anyone elses. YOU put words into their mouths. PF>>> teach you. You have to learn for yourself what pointers to use to PF>>> distinguish truth from fiction. Most kids learn by age 5 that fairy PF>>> stories are fiction. FA> ha ha! Another brushoff. Ok, a brush-off! FA> Are we in the Ufo forum, or in Dog_grooming_tips. I think the 40 FA> years is pretty easy to interpret no? Or should I say actually 51 FA> years etc, yes, I made a loose quote, I was in error,40 years is FA> technically incorrect,since Mr. Arnold's 9 whatever claim back in 47. FA> Pie plates,Venus. Nicap. Major Keyhoe. CIA. Anything ring a bell FA> here.......? What were you saying about babbling? PF>> Sorry, you have left me behind here. Slow down, Fred. FA> Well Patrick, you wish to play.... Do many people follow your cryptic way of communicating? if you would make a straight statement, I might understand it, but a disjointed collection of phrases just leaves me shaking my head. FA>> Therefore, go to Norad and ask them for the tracking reports. PF>> What is their address? Which tracking reports should I ask for? FA> Ask David. Try Omaha,Nebraska for a chuckle. Or FOIA. Though FA> you are not a U.S citizen. So. Not likely they will entertain you.... Hey, they don't even tell the NZ Government what thgose spooky US installations here are! PF>> BTW, I have seen UFOs. I'll tell you about them one day soon. FA> I will await the UFO disclosure and I am a terrible cynic, make FA> it good......none of that Venus stuff eh .....,and I will get FA> the chance to play skeptic for a change.... I'll tell you when I get a bit of spare time in the next week or two.. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00018 Date: 05/13/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:28am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: UFO Sighting (SAFB, 1988) Hi Fred, On 11 May 98 you wrote to me and said: FA>> course on the other hand, they most likely trust everyone in the real FA>> world they shouldn't, used cars salesmen etc. :). PF>> Most likely? What an extraordinary assumption to make! FA> Do not try to separate yourself from the rest of us. Everyone FA> gets burned sometimes. Do you count your change everytime you buy FA> something or just sometimes or never... Of course everyone gets burned sometimes. I don't usually count my change but there are certain shops and certain shopkeepers that I don't trust. PF>> Hmm. What better way would a government agency have to discredit UFO PF>> reports than to instigate the creation of hundreds of demonstrably PF>> bogus ones? FA> So are we trying a reverse face. Now you are saying well, there FA> are genuine ones being covered over or lost in the diluge of bogus FA> ones? Government needs to do nothing, we do it to ourselves. Its FA> called capitalism in the U.S. Free enterprise. If there is a buck in FA> it, well. Lets be realistic. Government doesn't need to create the FA> Santilli's, Meir's, the Walter's of the world. No, but many conspiracy theorists have US federal agencies spending /millions/ on disinformation campaigns. FA> They come on their FA> own. They do the job for them. They cloud things to the point that FA> all looks bogus. The best CIA job that money didn't need to buy..... FA> But now I am beginning to wonder here Patrick, are you admitting to FA> the possiblity of genuine ...... I am suggesting that if the US government did have something to hide and uFO investigators were too close to the mark, the simplest way to discredit them all would be to create some easily demolished hoaxes and so discredit any genuine investigators by association. I will always accept the possibility of anything. I just don't believe earthhas been visited by aliens until I see some evidence as good as the evidence that there are orcas in the ocean. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5H00019 Date: 05/13/98 From: BILL ADKINS Time: 01:22am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: STREIBER IN CLEVELAND Was Author Abducted by Aliens? Whitley Strieber can thank his lucky starships for an incident he alleges occurred 13 years ago. While on a skiing trip with his wife and son in upstate New York, Strieber claims to have been abducted for six hours by aliens - 31/2 feet tall, with big bulging shiny eyes, pointy chins and wide foreheads. "They had changed me, done something to me. I could sense it clearly that night but I couldn't articulate it," Strieber would later write in "Communion," his 1987 acount of the ordeal. The aliens changed him in more ways than one: The book would spend 25 weeksonthe New York Times best-seller list, making Strieber a celebrity ufologist. But along with accolades came the attacks. He was condemned as a kook, a cultist and a CIA agent - despite having subjected himself to a polygraph test and psychiatric interviews. So, in "Confirmation: The Hard Evidence ofAliens Among Us," his latest book and sixth on close encounters, Strieber answers the critics with scientific evidence - and finds that abductees have a common trait: They contain silicon and metallic implants in their ears, calf muscles and nasal passages. Does this and video footage of UFOs (accessible on his Web site: www.strieber.com) mean something strange is happening out there? How strange? At 7 p.m.,May 11, 1998; you can ask him yourself. He's coming to Borders Books & Music, 17200 Royalton Rd., in Strongsville, (440) 846-1144, for a book-signing and talk. I'm just wondering if the aliens get a percentage of the book sales. Simulated Abduction If you want to get in the mood for the alien encounter in Strongsville, try Planet e at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, 1 Wade Oval Dr., in University Circle. The intergalactic exhibit offers simulated space travel by combining NASA space mission footage with computer-generated space images and videos. You get to pick which planet in the solar system you want to travel to and then a simulated shuttle provides an overflight of that planet, allowing you to compare volcanoes, mountains and other rock formations with Earth's. Admission is $6.50 for adults, $4.50 for children. Museum hours are 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., today. Call (216) 231-4600. It just might make you want to take the shuttle to Borders so you can compare your travels with Whitley Strieber's. ---JOHN PETKOVIC www.cleveland.com --- * Origin: Copperhead's Lair (1:3634/12.115) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5I00000 Date: 05/12/98 From: TONY LUCAS Time: 06:47am \/To: ROGER NELSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Billy Meier You were talking to JACK SARGEANT about Billy Meier on 05-08-98 09:41 I'd like to add: RN>Jack Sargeant wrote in a message to Fred Austin: JS> [...] JS> There is now extended coverage of the entire Phoenix lights events JS> I'm a little tired tonight, but I may write an article presenting JS> all the evidence, pro and con that is available to date. A much JS> better understanding can be had if you have seen the TV specials o JS> it. There have been at least 3. RN>Poor me. I haven't seen any of those coverages. What channel were the RN>and are they going to be rebroadcast? Agreed - here in New Zealand we have heard nothing about them at all. What are the Phoenix lights events? Thanks Tony * WR [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: Swivels'BBS Flaxmere 06-879-5335 (3:776/305)