--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00191 Date: 04/27/98 From: ANTONIO RUGGIERO Time: 07:20pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: UFO Ciao All, come stai ? Hello, I am new in this area and i want tell you any questions. Excuse me for my not good english !! Last summer 1997, in July, about 4:00am, i have seen a white tiny ball, for 2 or 3 second, then it there wans more not. Do you think i see an UFO ?? In June 1997, go of a great supermarket, about 19:00pm I and my father, and about 20 persons, we have seen a ball red and then yellow who goes in the sky. After 5 or 6 seconds it there was not more. Do you think in this ase i have seen an ufo ?? What can it be ?? -=> The :/Mild/: man <=- 10% di quote al giorno tolgono il mod di torno :-) T-TAG 1.14 --- Terminate 5.00 UnReg(86) * Origin: La vita e' uno schifo e poi si muore :-( (2:331/310.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00192 Date: 04/28/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 11:35pm \/To: GEORGE JIRI OPLETAL (Read 0 times) Subj: Warning > RS> Christ on a crutch! My "attitude toward others?" Good bye and good > RS> riddance to bad rubbish! > Its completely obvious what you set out to do in this echo Ross. > Your discussions have been far from constructive and instead of > debating the issues out, you resorted to poring your negative > personal opinions on other people. Now, I am sure your looking > forward to a hero's welcome at the other place when you return with > your bogus storie of personal mistreatment. However, don't think > for second, I let your BS fly. You'll have to wait 30 days to discuss this with Ross in this echo. ...And you will be just as off-topic then, as you are now. Jack Sargeant, Moderator -=UFO echo=- E-Mail: ufo1@juno.com - Internet ICQ #11032924 --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Netmail: (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00193 Date: 04/29/98 From: ROGER NELSON Time: 07:39am \/To: PATRICK FORD (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless On Apr 29 01:40, 1998, Patrick Ford of 3:772/235.3 wrote: PF> Obviously in law in most countries, a person is innocent until proven PF> guilty. I take the same attitude with life on other planets and the tooth PF> fairy. I will believe when I see proof. You have nowhere to go but up. (-: PF> Until then: PF> NO tooth fairy without proof; The tooth fairy is/are your parents or anyone who loves you more than themselves. PF> NO intelligent life on other planets without proof; In our current state of technology, that life may well have transformed itself into something else or expired entirely by the time we get there. PF> NO guilt without proof. The above statement isn't in tune with real world events anymore. Nowadays, even the guilty walk because they get all the justice they can afford. PF> Is that simple or what? It doesn't get any simpler that that. Regards, Roger --- Msged/2 4.20 beta 2 * Origin: NCS BBS - Mandeville, LA - (504) 626-7968 (1:3828/7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00194 Date: 04/29/98 From: TONY LUCAS Time: 09:21am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: New Zealand Sightings Does anyone have any New Zealand sightings as I'd like to keep a record, I think there are alot of sightings in this country that go unlogged and find it a shame that such aluable information is lost. With Thanks. Tony * WR [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: Swivels'BBS Flaxmere +06-879-5335 (3:776/305) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00195 Date: 04/29/98 From: MARK LEWIS Time: 11:16am \/To: PATRICK FORD (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless ml>> do you believe that a party is guilty until proven innocent ml>> or do you believe they are innocent until proven guilty? ml>> think about it and what you state above... PF> Obviously in law in most countries, a person is innocent until PF> proven guilty. I take the same attitude with life on other PF> planets and the tooth fairy. I will believe when I see proof. hehehe... ok, good enough... you're not a religious person, are you? i make that comment only in that "proof of god" is not readily apparent either... PF> Until then: PF> NO tooth fairy without proof; PF> NO intelligent life on other planets without proof; PF> NO guilt without proof. PF> Is that simple or what? well, "tooth fairy" and "intelligent life" are 'positive' things. "guilt" is a 'negative' thing... "innocence" is a 'positive' thing... sure, if one were to believe that comparing apples and oranges is a valid approach then one would believe the above... <> your third line, above, comes out incorrectly for what you are apparently trying to say... make them all 'positive' or make them all 'negative' then try again ;-) )\/(ark * Origin: (1:3634/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00196 Date: 04/29/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:13am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: UFO echo rules -=UFO ECHO RULES=- Revised 4/5/98 These are new rules, and subject to change or modification when deemed necessary. The UFO echo is dedicated to serious discussion of the UFO phenomenon. 1) Discuss UFOs. This is Rule Number One. This is not the forum for discussion of religion, Space Brothers/channeling, time travel, out of body experiences, New Age topics, and what not. However, the discussion of any topic is admissible if it DIRECTLY relates to the UFO phenomenon. 2) a. No flaming or baiting. b. Be courteous at all times. c. Do not be excessively annoying or easily offended. d. Do not bring your problems in other echoes to UFO. 3) Moderator Rules, Guidelines, policies, and actions are NOT to be discussed in the open echo. The Moderators will be more than happy to listen to any comments or complaints you may have, but such discussion *must* be in NetMail or E-mail. In other words, leave the moderating to the moderators. 4) You are required to use your real name in this conference. NO EXCEPTIONS. 5) Language: English only. No profanity. 6) a. Quoting is required. Please keep the quoted material to a minimum, just enough to remind everyone of the thread you're discussing. It's not necessary to quote an entire message for a _few_ lines of reply. b. There should be no quoting of Tear lines, Tag lines or ORIGIN lines in replies. Moderator - Jack Sargeant - Email to: ufo1@juno.com. Netmail to: 1:379/12 Moderator - Roger Nelson 1:3828/7 E-mail address for Roger Nelson - roger.nelson@f7.n3828.z1.fidonet.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Netmail: (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00197 Date: 04/29/98 From: MARK LEWIS Time: 09:08pm \/To: ROGER NELSON (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless PF>> Is that simple or what? RN> It doesn't get any simpler that that. arrrgh... you got sucked into the positive, positive, negative comparison (apples, apples, oranges) ;-) )\/(ark * Origin: (1:3634/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00198 Date: 04/29/98 From: FRED AUSTIN Time: 01:38am \/To: PATRICK FORD (Read 0 times) Subj: I'm back....(Look out!) -=> Quoting Patrick Ford to Fred Austin <=- Hello Patrick, PF> In a message of 26 Apr 98 Fred Austin wrote to David Bloomberg: DB>> photographer. Several people who are somewhat knowledgeable on the DB>> subject looked and looked and couldn't find evidence of tampering. FA> My comment is simple, if several 'knowledgable' people think FA> it is genuine, why is it so hard to believe it is not. PF> This is how non facts become news. From "couldn't find evidence of PF> tampering", you have interpreted, created and misreported "think it is PF> genuine". I have misreported nothing actually. I was speaking with hard line skeptic Mr. Bloomberg. The comment was more in the line of "your people see nothing wrong" so why do you still follow that with well "its still not good enough". Patrick I am quite aware how people embellish everything in this world. PF> This is exactly how UFO journalists do it! I suppose by the time you PF> get it to your editor it would be, "A team of the country's top PF> experts, have, after exhaustive study, confirmed the photos as PF> genuine." I am aware what many embellishers would like us to believe. And I haven't tripped over any aliens yet... PF> A well done fake photo simply /has/ no evidence of tampering. That PF> does not make them genuine. You see you are creating catch -22 here. Many photos have been analyzed over the years by the experts using technology that keeps advancing of course. And you are quite correct, many that looked good were of course fakes. Secondly the people are looked over, as in credibility and reason to hoax. Now, if we cannot find a problem with a photo, and no problem with credibility and circumstance, should we discount them. You are back to well its not genuine regardless. But now under these circumstances in reality nothing can be genuine. So an endless loop, all photos are therefore useless. Therefore all people who took them have no credibility. Therefore you are wasting your time. The simple point is who do you trust. Somewhere along the way one has to make a reasonable stand. Or distrust everyone and everything. And that leads to paranoia. On another note, what makes one article more genuine than another. If Hubble shows me a supposed black hole in the center of some galaxy, or some old lady from Kansas has a photo from a 110 camera of some object in the sky, explain to me which is more genuine. I would like the parameters...... PF> _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) PF> Team *Amiga* PF> -!- Spot 1.3a #1649 PF> ! Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: PF> (3:772/235.3) Happy Trails, Fred. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00199 Date: 04/29/98 From: TONY LUCAS Time: 03:28pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 0 times) Subj: Billy Meier You were talking to HARRY DICKER about Billy Meier on 04-14-98 11:01 I'd like to add Hi Jack , good to see you are still about. JS>I have nothing against Meier, I just post the opinions of others. There JS>are always 2 sides to most stories. unny thing though , how Meier's Plieadian contact (female, Semjase I believe she is called, speaks with a Swiss-German accent and looks very much like Meier's girlfriend so I believe. Just my 2 cents worth. Tony * WR [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION CO * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: Swivels'BBS Flaxmere +06-879-5335 (3:776/305) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00200 Date: 04/29/98 From: TONY LUCAS Time: 05:28pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 0 times) Subj: Billy Meier You were talking to HARRY DICKER about Billy Meier on 04-14-98 11:01 I'd like to add Hi Jack , good to see you are still about. JS>I have nothing against Meier, I just post the opinions of others. There JS>are always 2 sides to most stories. unny thing though , how Meier's Plieadian contact (female, Semjase I believe she is called, speaks with a Swiss-German accent and looks very much like Meier's girlfriend so I believe. Just my 2 cents worth. Tony * WR [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION CO * LAKOTA v1.5 --- Alexi/Mail 2.02b (#10000) * Origin: Swivels'BBS Flaxmere +06-879-5335 (3:776/305)