--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00094 Date: 04/25/98 From: PAUL ANDINACH Time: 02:03am \/To: JOHN WARNER (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: evidence -=> Quoting John Warner to Paul Andinach <=- PA> You can't just say "It's a joke! It's a lie!". You have to give PA> reasons for saying so. Why do you believe it's a lie? JW> AHHh what your trying to tell me. that the Givenment dont lie! No. The government does lie sometimes. What I'm asking is: why do you think this is one of those times? JW> As i said be for. What is History. we know it happens as its JW> recored in pappers and radio reports first the Crash report of a JW> U.F.O then a day later its a Balloon! And just because the UFO claim came first, it's automatically true? PA> Again, you can't just say that. Why do you believe that that's PA> the way it happened? JW> and again i must say it is Recorded Fact that this Crash happen. It is recorded fact that *something* happened. JW> What do you think? are we been visited by aliens and there JW> ships or are we so deloted by tv shows like the X-files, that we JW> think we see U.F.O.s and aliens That's an oversimplification. There are other possibilities. JW> to put it this way.. there where NO Tvs in the Year 0bc nor where JW> they any aircrafts flying around. our own that is? but we see on JW> rock paintings flying discs and it the oldest U.F.O book ever JW> written YES the "Bible" where it states in many of its chapters JW> about flying shealds and Angels desending to earth in JW> firey.chariots. so what did they see back then? some form of JW> Advance millatry Plane? No I dont think so! Interpretation. Are they not allowed to have fiction? To make things up? To use metaphor? I'm getting tired of this. Sorry. I just can't be bothered arguing any more. Paul ... Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular. --- Blue Wave/Max v2.30 [NR] * Origin: The Perth PC Users Group BBS - 08-9497-7772 (3:690/650) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00095 Date: 04/25/98 From: ROSS SAUER Time: 03:52pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 0 times) Subj: Warning JS> > Christ on a crutch! JS> > My "attitude toward others?" JS> > Good bye and good riddance to bad rubbish! JS> JS> > Ross Sauer patch@bbs.sts.net patch@bytehead.com JS> JS> Promises, promises. You've said that before! You're like a bad penn JS> that keeps showing up. ...Just to prove it, I predict you will go ba JS> to "that other echo" and tell them you got booted "again." ...Just l JS> you lied the last time over there when you left here in a huff. Like the way you kept appearing and disappearing in SKEPTIC? I thought you had learned your lesson, and would allow REAL sceptical discourse. I see I was wrong. JS> Nobody here is going to miss you. I know you won't, especially since I don't take anyone's crapola. --- TriToss (tm) 1.03 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Ivy's WALL BBS - Sheboygan, WI 920-457-9255 (1:154/170) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00096 Date: 04/25/98 From: KIM GALANT Time: 08:59pm \/To: KEITH MORGAN (Read 0 times) Subj: UPN to Air Mexico UFO Video! On (23 Apr 98) KEITH MORGAN wrote to KIM GALANT... KM> It was sort of a joke a part truth. I have had some serious KM> encounters, but I'm not conscience of ever being on a ship or not. Ever being on a ship or not???!!! Wouldn't you think that you'd know if you'd ever been on a ship? It's the silliest premise I've read in quite a while - that you actually think that you COULD have been on a ship! KM> And I do want to find out if the Mexico video is real or not. Did you I'm sure it's a real video, but I'm sure that it doesn't depict a "real" UFO, if you're talking about something extraterrestrial. The burden of proof is on the presenter to prove something so outlandish (pun intended), not on the viewer to prove that it doesn't exist. KM> see the UPN special, "Danger in Our Skies: The New UFO Threat."? Why KM> does it have to be a threat, or danger? The craft have been there all KM> along, it's just that they are making themselves more visible. KM> Someone is trying to get our attention. Balderdash! The only someone trying to get your attention is the producer of the program, who obviously got paid to produce what apparently is eaten up by way too many ignorant viewers, who have nothing more interesting going on in their "real" lives. All of the UFO, astrology, crying icons, and other phony stories floating around are this generation's version of snake oil, and just like those snake oil salesmen, it's a big money- making con. But, if you need to believe, that's your prerogative. I don't know how much longer I'll be receiving this echo - I just dropped in briefly to check it out, and have already cancelled it, so, if you want to write, email me at kim.galant@nopc.org. If you really want to investigate something, investigate how your local politicians misuse your money, or how faith healers make money conning desperate people, or even how organized religion rips off the taxpayers. Come on, this UFO stuff, to the extent that it's a big industry (phony books, movies, etc.) might be fun, but how can you take it seriously? --- PPoint 2.05 * Origin: Point of View (1:396/17.8) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00097 Date: 04/25/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 04:33pm \/To: TED BARNES (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless > -=> Quoting Jack Sargeant to Ross Sauer <=- > JS> The second sentence in your reply is not a flame in of itself, > JS> although the implied intent is certainly there. However, the first > JS> sentence is a direct attack on someone's religious belief system. One > JS> is permitted to thump on their bible all they want to in this ountry. > JS> Please refrain from these derogatory remarks in the future. > Jack I may be getting one of these letters from you also. > So in case you have not sent it, I will consider my self warned > already LOL... Roger gets to deal with the really hard cases. > Not laughing at your warning, just was quietly amused that maybe > I wasn't getting one, and you have your base users that well > trained. I can say stay, sit, and jump all day, but little happens. > JS> Thank you for your cooperation, and may your glass forever be [.../] > Why of course, that is why I am moderating myself If that were only true. Regards, Jack --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- Netmail: (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00098 Date: 04/25/98 From: ROGER NELSON Time: 09:13am \/To: TED BARNES (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless Ted Barnes wrote in a message to Laurie Appleton: -=> Quoting Laurie Appleton to David Bloomberg <=- LA> Yes indeed, and just look at the "industry" that has "sprung up LA> around" Darwin's evolutionary theory too. That has been a wonderful LA> money spinner for 'scholarly speculations', hasn't it! TB> industry Laurie???? TB> Would you rather sink us back to the dark ages, well I suppose it TB> was much easier for the likes of you. Keep the masses ignorant, TB> threaten them with DEATH if they even seek knowledge. TB> Hmmmm, industry oh, I know what you are talking about TB> Excuse me for my own ignorance of misunderstanding. TB> You mean because of Darwin now Genesis gets put under the TB> same science that evolution must go under.. LA> Maybe with the demise of Darwinism in recent years the credulous LA> are turning to other things like this eh? LA> One thing is for certain and that is the more we learn the LESS LA> likely it seems that there is ANY life apart from that on the LA> earth! Genesis seems more and more probable after all! TB> You know you can get away with this in the other bases Laurie so TB> why not give it a rest here. I actaully want to hear what people TB> have to say. I can find your lies and misquotes all over the net. TB> Please can we have a break in here, Please give this thread a rest, fellas. It is wearing thin and I wouldn't want to see nice guys like y'all skating on thin ice. Regards, Roger Moderator - UFO Echo Roger.Nelson@f7.n3828.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: NCS BBS - Mandeville, LA - (504) 626-7968 (1:3828/7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00099 Date: 04/25/98 From: ROGER NELSON Time: 09:15am \/To: HIGHLORD NA (Read 0 times) Subj: roswell Highlord Na wrote in a message to Roger Nelson: HN> OK im using it now =) l8er. HN> Paul Mundt - [The Shadows] HN> ___ PCBoard (R) v15.22/M 2 HN> - Origin: -= The Druid's Keep BBS =- 1:221/405 HN> (519)894-0523/895-0240 Kit,On. (1:221/400) You might also want to ask your SysOp to take another look at his Origin line because it it too long. It needs to be all on one line and when it isn't, he runs the risk of some or most of his messages winding up in never-never-land. That is, they won't get to their intended destination. Regards, Roger Moderator - UFO Echo Roger.Nelson@f7.n3828.z1.fidonet.org --- timEd/2 1.10+ * Origin: NCS BBS - Mandeville, LA - (504) 626-7968 (1:3828/7) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00100 Date: 04/27/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:11am \/To: DAVID BLOOMBERG (Read 0 times) Subj: I'm back....(Look out!) In a message of 25 Apr 98 David Bloomberg wrote to me: RS>> Exactly. It's getting harder and harder to tell a fake photo from a RS>> real one. DB> Indeed, a friend of mine received a computer file containing a DB> scanned-in photo of the president, his wife, and their daughter on a DB> boat. In the photo, the president was giving the finger to the DB> photographer. Several people who are somewhat knowledgeable on the DB> subject looked and looked and couldn't find evidence of tampering. There will be no evidence. DB> However, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that such a photo -- if DB> real -- would never have made it to the media somewhere. DB> If it can be done with the president, it can be done with UFOs. Err I presume you mean the president of the USA? I have seen ALL sorts of UUencoded JPEGS from Usenet with Clinton and Lewinsky and others, including one of him drinking champagne in bed, naked, with Ross Perot, also naked. I have read that some fashion magazines now create their models in Photoshop. No fees, you see. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00101 Date: 04/27/98 From: PATRICK FORD Time: 02:18am \/To: TED BARNES (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless In a message of 24 Apr 98 Ted Barnes wrote to me: PF>> looking for the spectral signatures af atmosperic gases that will PF>> indicate the presence life. I'll wait and see of they find any. TB> Patrick it is nothing but is the glass half full or half empty. As you TB> say: PF>> There is absolutely no reason yet to believe there is any other planet TB> I feel that the it is the exact opposite. There is no reason to TB> believe that this is the only planet with life.. Ted, that is back to front logic. Fortunately, science rejected that approach when it displaced alchemy. Otherwise we would still be living with fifteenth century technology while they spent all their creative energy trying to turn base metals into gold. There is one *very* good reason to believe this is the only planet with intelligent life: No other has been found! Do you expect me to believe in the tooth fairy until he is proved to not exist? I prefer to assume he doesn't until someone proves he does. _patrick_ (email: patrick.ford@amiga.gen.nz) Team *Amiga* --- Spot 1.3a #1649 * Origin: ====Patrick Ford====Auckland, NEW ZEALAND=====Fidonet: (3:772/235.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00102 Date: 04/25/98 From: GEORGE JIRI OPLETAL Time: 02:39pm \/To: ROSS SAUER (Read 0 times) Subj: Still More Faceless RS> LA> One thing is for certain and that is the more we learn the LESS RS> LA> likely it seems that there is ANY life apart from that on the earth! RS> LA> Genesis seems more and more probable after all! RS> Only to the bible-thumping ignoramuses. Hey Laurie, you actually RS> found an echo where you could post your drivel and you haven't RS> been kicked out? I'm amazed! The universe contains vast amounts of water, possible evidence of life on Mars , amazingly cozy enviroments on moons of our planets. Overwhelming evidence of simplistic life 3.5 billion years ago on earth, complex molecules in free space, and a creationist worldview which is riddled with paradoxe . What reasoning these people posess?! --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: Beyond Reality: UFO/Paranormal Archives (03) 9773-3721 (3:632/562) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F5G00103 Date: 04/25/98 From: GEORGE JIRI OPLETAL Time: 02:55pm \/To: PATRICK FORD (Read 0 times) Subj: No more lies, please PF> Darwins theories are not really part of modern science any more than PF> Lavoisier's or Cavendish's. Why aren't you railing against PF> electrical engineers and scientists of last century? They got /much/ PF> more wrong than Darwin did. PF> Will you demand that engineers stop using Newtonian mechanics PF> to design buildings and bridges, since Einsiein showed Newton had PF> it wrong? Not wrong, highly correct within their operating limits. Einstein's laws break down to Newtons laws in these regions and it would be a complete waste of time for engineers to work out relativistic effects when unpredictable things like bugs hitting a bridge produce a more significant effect. ehehe...I understand your view point and you are correct....just messing around. --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: Beyond Reality: UFO/Paranormal Archives (03) 9773-3721 (3:632/562)