--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3R00010 Date: 03/21/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 12:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 4 times) Subj: NASA gets publicity. From: UFO UpDates - Toronto Received: from mx2.boston.juno.com (mx2.boston.JUNO.com [207.205.100.51]) by m12.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id FAAAA26401 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.globalserve.net (smtp1.globalserve.net [209.90.144.2]) by mx2.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id FAAAA10557; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from buddy-guy (dialin786.toronto.globalserve.net [209.90.133.23]) by smtp1.globalserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA23977; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:19:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from updates@globalserve.net) Return-path: To: updates@globalserve.net Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:12:41 -0500 Subject: UFO UpDate: Author: NASA Profits By High Interest In UFOs Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980321051241.00b91670@mail.globalserve.net> X-Status: Read X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To: updates@globalserve.net Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 04:37:28 +0100 Subject: Author: NASA Profits By High Interest In UFOs >From The Huntsville Times (Alabama). URL: http://groupmaster.al.com/city/huntsville/List.asp?Section=3D1&ID=3D25038 ******* March=BF20, 1998 Author: Blame NASA for high interest in UFOs By MARTIN BURKEY=20 Times Aerospace/Science Writer 3/20/98=20 NASA doesn't advertise flying saucers as a space program spinoff, but the agency gets at least a share of the credit, the author of a book about UFOs said Thursday. "The exploration of space makes reverse exploration seem reasonable," said Dr. Benson Saylor, professor of anthropology at Brandeis University in Massachusetts. Saylor, author of "UFO Crash at Roswell, The Genesis of a Modern Myth", talked about the UFO "subcommunity" during a public lecture at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. Asked why UFOs have become so popular in the face of contradictory, ambiguous or nonexistent evidence, Saylor suggested more people are searching for "enhancement, wonder, spirituality." It also resonates strongly with recurring mythology, specifically the "hoarded object myth" in which some entity controls crucial resources and refuses to give it to humanity, Saylor said. In Greek mythology, the gods controlled fire until Prometheus stole fire and gave it to mortals. India has a similar myth about water, he said. "In Roswell, the monster is the U.S. government, which controls the knowledge that we are not alone," said Saylor, who noted that he does not believe in UFOs. Saylor said UFOs are used for "individual empowerment," a way for people to make themselves popular. UFOs also are a vehicle for anti-government fears in the wake of Watergate and the Vietnam War, Saylor said. "Shaken confidence in government makes it seem more plausible. The government cant win this case." The appeal of UFOs is also driven by docu-dramas and other media that make them seem more real, he added. Polls indicate half of adults in the United States believe UFOs are real and there is intelligent life in the universe, Saylor said. Another 27 percent maintain alien ships have landed and have contacted humans. Unlike true stories, like Watergate, which gradually unfolded around a handful of facts that didnt change, the Roswell incident and other UFO stories change or contradict themselves, Saylor said. "Its not what you find in a journalistic expose," he said. "Its what you find in myths." 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Firstly, if humans ever did go to the stars, under current GJO>physical limitations it would be a one way journey. U.F.O.s would more GJO>likely represent short distance crafts used at the destination. Now for GJO>primary craft, where are not impossibilities. 'Huge accelerations' do ot GJO>pose any problem...you can accelerate at 1g (and simulate earths gravity GJO>your craft solving lots of potential physical complications) and ccelerat GJO>up to the speed of light in around 1 year. Time dilation can be a enefit GJO>and produces no problems on the one way trip...it can even be used to edu GJO>the trip time. and finally collision between particles is not an mpossibl GJO>feat to overcome. The density between the stars is about 1 atom per ubic GJO>metre or so, hardly an impossibility for construction design. First of all, when Columbus traveled to the West Indies he wasn't thinking of a one way trip. Comunication is the bases of human comunity and if it's eliminated, the comunity stops to exist. A one way trip would couse just that. And you can't accelerate to c - molecules breaking up and stuff can cause a problem :) I don't think your exlonation has any scientific explonation basis either. At a constant acceleration of 1g it would require tremondous ammounts of energy at speed over 0.5c. And travelling at 0.99c, the space get's compressed pretty much around the spacecraft (it's not just the spacecraft that "compressed" due to speed but the entire Universe is compressed as well - ie. for a photon, the Universe doesn't exist; it has 0 length :). This means that your 1atom/m3 of space actually get's pretty large - I can't provide you with a value because I'm too lazzy to calculate it right now. :) PS Relativity states that spacetime "compression" is relative to the frame reference. For a spaceship a universe will not be compressed but when you accound time dialation, the spacetime will _appear_ to be compressed. spacetime "compression" + time dialation = k <- some constant * SLMR 2.1a * Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: -= The Dragon's Lair =- (204)269-2164...Wpg.MB (1:348/943) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3R00012 Date: 03/20/98 From: MIKE BELL Time: 11:26pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: My ufo experiance JS> Um, ...A load of what, Mike? I do not remimber Lestat --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: HellTown BBS (209)476-8884 Stockton,CA. (1:208/206) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00000 Date: 03/22/98 From: MORANAA Time: 06:26pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Re: Howdy From: "Moranaa" Don Allen wrote in article <6f395c$8pg@newn.com>... > Hi Pat and All, > > Just a brief note to say Hello and a test to see if this newfangled > Internet<->Fido site works. It works. ;-) > Having more fun than is legally allowed. :-) OH my gawddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!! > Don Julie --- ifmail v.2.11 * Origin: EarthWorks NetWork (1:141/635@fidonet) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00001 Date: 03/20/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 01:58pm \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 3 times) Subj: Genuine? Mike: Hi! MH.> "Maybe Dwarves, or something quite human" Nope. Not according to anyone who got close to them, enough to get a good look. "Strongly suggest something did happen." Yep. Not withstanding the testimony of 500 or so witnesses, 1st, 2nd, and 3d hand. . If you haven't already found it, my Roswell timeline continues under the heading "Roswell Anatomy" MH.> "Do you have an Internet address?" You bet. My Internet E-mail Box is Matthew Scruggs @ Diskfix.Com Ciao, Matthew. --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00002 Date: 03/20/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 02:02pm \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 3 times) Subj: Genuine? Mike. Re:Radar signature. It was a combination of things I am led to believe. It was its speed, its maneuvars, its size (?), and most importantly, its areas of apparent interest. Namely, the most high-tech & sensitive areas existant in the world at that time period. Plus, post WWII nerves certainly played a part. Sincerely, Matt. --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00003 Date: 03/20/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 02:10pm \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 3 times) Subj: Little greys Re:Varrious abduction issues. Radar traces. True, anomalies are common, however when they occur on military radar in CONJUNCTION with a civilian UFO case, its strongly suggestive. These days, NORAD has radar & radar technicians beyond anything you & I can imagine. And yes, UFO events occur on these. Witnesses discounted. How about multiple witnesses geographically near but seperated? Telling the same story? I believe that Vallee' found the stranger an experience is, the more it is either to be rationalized, or if that fails, repressed from memory. It does not tend to make up more disturbing pictures. Re: Stigmata. One of my old beliefs on this subject, however, stigmata does NOT leave enduring scars. Hmm, comes to mind, some alleged implants have been discovered. While not 100 percent proof, some are HIGHLY interesting. This whole aspect of the phenomena gives me the willies. Sincerely, Matthew. --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00004 Date: 03/20/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 02:15pm \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 3 times) Subj: Little greys. Mike: Re:Similarities & differances. As for dolphin innards, nope. NOT EVEN REMOTELY ALIKE. The alleged brain (cerebrum section) had a little bit of similarity to a dolphin kidney, but not very much. Most similarities were only external, yes, absolutely. And no, squid don't cut it either! My initial gut reaction screamed hoax or DISINFORMATION PLOY. Its been done before ( MJ-12 Document comes to mind). Still, this bugs me. Ciao, Matt. --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00005 Date: 03/20/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 02:32pm \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Roswell Anatomy Cont'd. Sunday, July 6th, 1947. AM. Brazel gets up early, completes his chores, and then drives to Roswell. A 75 mile trip. He stops at the office of Sherrif George A. Wilcox. The sherrif is excited about the find and suggest the base be notified. (Randle & Schmitt, 1994, 1991) ******* Glenn Dennis locates his nurse friend at 11:30 AM, who agrees to meet for lunch. He drives out to the Officers Club. (Ibid, p.163) ******* While waiting for the military officers to arrive, Wilcox dispatches two deputies to the ranch. With only directions given by Brazel, they try to find the site. (Cont'd.) --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F3S00006 Date: 03/21/98 From: MATTHEW SCRUGGS Time: 08:01am \/To: ALL (Read 3 times) Subj: Roswell Anatomy (Con't. CUFOS Timeline.) William Woody and his father try to drive to the area where they had seen the object coming down, but find the roads blocked. The side roads off Highway 285, from Vaughn, and to the west, are guarded by MPs who will allow no one to pass. ( Randle & Schmitt, 1994. P.164 ) ********* Frank Joyce, a reporter and announcer for KGFL, calls Sheriff Wilcox and inquires if anything interesting is happening at the office. Wilcox refers him to Brazel. ( Ibid.) ********* Col. Blanchard, Orders Jesse A. Marcel, the intelligence officer, to investigate Brazel's debris. Marcel goes immediately to the Sheriff's office. Marcel interviews Brazel, examines the pieces of material Brazel brought with him, and decides he had better visit the ranch himself. Marcel returns to the base and reports to Blanchard. Recognizing he has something very unusual, Blanchard, informs his superiors. Marcel returns with Cpt. Sheridan Cavitt, to Wilcox's office. They escort Brazel back to the ranch. (Ibid., Randle & Schmitt, 1991. See also The Roswell Incident, etc.) (To con't.) --- Platinum Xpress/386/Wildcat! v1.3 * Origin: The Disk Fix * Maryville, Tn * 423-983-8232 * (1:3615/5)