--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00001 Date: 02/10/98 From: LANGSTON GOLDFINCH Time: 07:30pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 2 times) Subj: abductees 10 Feb 98 11:46, Jack Sargeant wrote to Langston Goldfinch: JS> Orthodox religion is off-topic. Only UFO related events are topical. I understand that. My own query was to the notion that the entire UFO phenomena was "religious", not for its "fervor" but by its nature and structure. Carl Jung wrote a small book about this quite a few years ago. You know it? JS> I've already had a dose of your opinions, remember? Sorry, I do not remember. -30-L --- * Origin: NOPC (504)-486-7249 N.O. LA. USA (1:396/17) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00002 Date: 02/10/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 02:57am \/To: PAUL ANDINACH (Read 2 times) Subj: Mars Rock, Earth Rock, etc. > They didn't actually find any living creatures inside the rock, > just little odd-shaped formations that may have been caused by > microbial life. Of course, once they started to consider the > possibility of a mistake, somebody remembered > a geological process that would give the same formations. > II> Has anyone considered the possibility that that rock was formed on > II> THIS planet and never left? > Don't you think that's the first thing they checked? > II> COULD it have been formed during some > II> primevel time at some other location here, then "blown" to where it was > II> found by a volcanic eruption at some time in the past? > No. It's definitely a Mars rock (but don't ask me how they know). > Paul They can tell from the gases inside the rock. ...Percentages, or something. js --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00003 Date: 02/10/98 From: DAVID BLOOMBERG Time: 07:23am \/To: PAUL ANDINACH (Read 2 times) Subj: Going nowhere In a msg to David Bloomberg on , Paul Andinach of 3:690/650 writes: DB> When I was here, it seemed no progress was ever made in UFOlogy. I DB> was hoping that maybe some things had changed. But in UFOlogy, it DB> seems that almost never happens. :-( A well-known skeptic (though I DB> can't recall which one) said it best: For UFOlogy, it will always be DB> 1947. PA> The problem with UFOlogy is that everybody's hung up on the aliens. PA> All the arguments we hear about are focussed on whether UFOs are alien PA> spacecraft. The old, "If it's not Christmas, it must be the 4th of July" problem (used to be my origin line, but when I dropped this echo last time, I deleted it and haven't gotten around to putting it back). Some UFO believers point to something in the sky and if they figure out it's not an airplane (for example), they declare it must be aliens. I've actually seen the head of MUFON do this (with the radar "sighting" in Michigan a couple years back). Amazing. --- msgedsq 2.0.5 * Origin: The Temples of Syrinx! (1:2430/2112) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00004 Date: 02/10/98 From: CRAIG MEEKINS Time: 04:45am \/To: MICHAEL HOLT (Read 2 times) Subj: Genuine? Quotes from the original message written at 18:22:00 on 08-Feb-98 MH> The TV series was brought to us by the same bunch who created MH> "Lost in Space," which should explain the quality of "Time Tunnel." Don't forget 'Land of the Giants' as well! All great Sci-Fi of the time. I think that 'Voyage to the Bottom of Sea' had them beat as far as aliens appearing though. Written using TerMail 5.00 and TMNice 4.2 at 04:45 on 10-Feb-1998 C Meekins - Greenville, SC Internet: cmeekins@viperlink.com .!. I'll take *AREA 51 PHOTOGRAPHY* for $200 Alex... --- Terminate 5.00/Pro <-- NOW I am playing with POWER! TerMail/QWK Terminate is now specially built for Internet! * Origin: Doc's Place, Clw Fla. telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml.org (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00005 Date: 02/11/98 From: IVY IVERSON Time: 12:13am \/To: FRED AUSTIN (Read 2 times) Subj: Tiume Tunnel? -=> On 02-09-98 00:09, Fred Austin said to Ivy Iverson,<=- -=>"About Genuine?...,"<=- -=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Fred Austin <=- -=> On 02-05-98 23:56, Fred Austin said to Ivy Iverson,<=- -=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Charles Daniels <=- Hi, Fred; II> RIGHT! Didn't you know that the old TV show, "The Time Tunnel" was II> I said that in jest... but... I have heard several stories, (Ok, II> rumors), that there was/is an actual time tunnel project of the U.S. II> Govt. FA> Yes but that is what I was asking you about, do you know the FA> name of the project :)...... I may have seen it somewhere,, but don't remember Catch you later... Be well. Ivy ... HOW TO BUILD A FLYING SAUCER And Other weekend projects... -- -=[ Ivy's WALL BBS <-KB9QPM/AE-> Hi, Jack! <-> Happy New Year to All! ]=- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- TriToss (tm) 1.03 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Ivy's WALL BBS - Sheboygan, WI 920-457-9255 (1:154/170) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00006 Date: 02/11/98 From: IVY IVERSON Time: 12:22am \/To: PAUL ANDINACH (Read 2 times) Subj: Speculations & fact -=> On 02-05-98 13:04, Paul Andinach said to Ivy Iverson,<=- -=>"About Speculations & fact...,"<=- -=> Quoting Ivy Iverson to Jack Sargeant <=- Hi, Paul; JS> ... A chess game would take longer JS> to play than our solar system will last. II> True, if it were in another part of the galaxy, however if it were one II> of our close neighbors, like Alpha Proxima at 4+ light years, it would II> "only" take a little over 8 years to get an answer, (or the next move II> in the chess game). PA> . . . JS> Just a simple, "Hello, out there!" might take a thousand years to get JS> any kind of reply. ...And that is about all we dare to hope for. II> ...Or less than 5 years if it's one of our "neighbors." PA> You're leaving out the time that it would take for our neighbours PA> to realise the signal is intelligent, work out that it's coded sound PA> waves (or binary, or whatever), reconstruct the language in which the PA> message is written, and translate it into their language.... PA> ... As if that wasn't long enough, they'd probably decide that PA> communication with aliens was a matter of planetary concern, and form a PA> global Answer Summit to come up with a reply acceptable to all the PA> delegates. PA> If that happened, a thousand years until we received the reply PA> would be about right. ;) Heh heh, I see your point... I guess I was assuming that communication had already been established and the language barrier broken... And there is a Rosetta stone that could be used to get a toehold on the labguage barrier: The periodic table of the elements, which is universal. Catch you later... Keep l00king up! Ivy ... The SysOp of this BBS is from Alpha Centuri, The CoSysOp is from Mars. -- -=[ Ivy's WALL BBS <-KB9QPM/AE-> Hi, Jack! <-> Happy New Year to All! ]=- ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] --- TriToss (tm) 1.03 - (Unregistered) * Origin: Ivy's WALL BBS - Sheboygan, WI 920-457-9255 (1:154/170) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00007 Date: 02/01/98 From: DAN DEYETTE Time: 04:35pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: What happened? read! Years ago in about the late 1600s and 1700s people were scared stiff about UFO's and Mysterious types of events. They had such ignorant open mindedness. I often wonder why people dont beleve in UFO's as much anymore. It's probably because the alien's have gotten better at taking the person (or whatever their after) and leaving without many people knowing. I personaly have never seen a UFO or an alien for that matter, but i do beleve in them and i have read alot of books about them. I wonder why most people cant come to realize that just mabe we ARENT the centre of the universe!!! heh! Cuz if they think we're the centre then i guess they havent seen the pictures of the black hole that realy exist's in the centre. dan, deyette _ - ~~~ - _ ~ --- ~ ... SLMR 2.1a Finagle's Principle: The perversity of the universe has --- Telegard/QWK v3.09.b15/mL * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Vancouver, B.C. Canada (1:153/757) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00008 Date: 02/10/98 From: FRED AUSTIN Time: 11:56am \/To: ROGER NELSON (Read 2 times) Subj: Hynek Interview -=> Quoting Roger Nelson to Fred Austin <=- RN> Fred Austin wrote in a message to All: RN> [...] RN> Excellent post, Fred! Just trying to inform :)............. Happy Trails, Fred. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00009 Date: 02/10/98 From: FRED AUSTIN Time: 12:17pm \/To: JACK SARGEANT (Read 2 times) Subj: My stand on UFOs -=> Quoting Jack Sargeant to Fred Austin <=- > -=> Quoting Jack Sargeant to Fred Austin <=- Hi Jack, > saw, is explainable. And yet I do remember a post a while back, where > I do believe you stated that "you know what you saw" and it certainly > was enough to convince you of the legitimacy of this phenomenon. > Basically, "Seeing Is Believing". JS> You are just searching for words that are not there, nor have been JS> spoken. Ho ho! Now Jack, my memory is still good. Not written is the word here, implied is the keyword. Just because every second word is not "alien", does not mean it is not implied. Or do you still prefer to suggest a saucer shaped craft in 1953 was of domestic origin. Only you know what you saw or didn't see. > phenomenon, that is no problem. I have no problem with that. If you > now say, perhaps it was not a craft etc, perhaps a trick of the eye, > or balloon that's fine with me. I prefer people to be > straightforward and honest. JS> You don't like it when I play devil's advocate, do you? JS> Sorry, but if my fun appears to be at your expense, then I guess I JS> have to step in and say no harm was intended. Jack, there is no harm, if you wish to suggest now that "disc- shaped objects" were built by Bell Telephone, I have no problem with that. Or that you flew to Paris in one for lunch. But let us clarify one thing here, Ufology does deal with the prospect of alien incidents. Period. Otherwise this subject would have passed away into oblivion years ago, no one is interested in plasma balls, or flocks of geese. It is the implied possibility of other life that intrigues scientists, Ufologists, and conspiracists. It is the possibility that we are being investigated,and from where, and for what purpose that intrigues, and added to that is of course the obvious danger to mankind. And what I don't like is irrelevant, just remember you may be the advocate, but I am the devil himself ... > Disclaimers, now you sound like a marketing firm Jack. Well, we > all speculate as to purpose, what is genuine, what is hoax, and of > course from where etc etc.. You and I both know that the UFO > community has no physical, undeniable proof. Only circumstantial. > But we certainly have a lot of circumstantial. Piles of data. > But I understand where you are coming from. JS> Well then, stop complaining! I have the skeptic community to contend JS> with whenever I forget to announce my intentions. The skeptic community Ho Ho! Ah, are we walking on rice paper lately . Well, "announce my intentions"? What are you doing? Planning to marry a skeptic? ... JS> You should know me well enough by now that I am sympathetic to the JS> cause, but how much can I assume from a sighting I had years ago? The JS> word alien is too much of a leap for me to make. Well, I assume nothing, but like it or not Jack, the subject really is, was that a genuine alien, or not. That is what the object of this exercise is, to determine once and for all within whatever time frame it takes, are we the subject of alien intrusion, and if it comes to pass that proof finally comes out, then anything goes........ --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F2F00010 Date: 02/11/98 From: FRED AUSTIN Time: 01:29am \/To: LAURIE APPLETON (Read 2 times) Subj: abductees -=> Quoting Laurie Appleton to Langston Goldfinch <=- LA> Hi Langston, LG>Hello All. LG>looking for information on people abducted to UFO - direct or no. LA> You are surely joking. How can there be "information" on something LA> that has never taken place? Don't you understand that "it is all LA> in the mind"? LA> Everywhere we have been in the Solar system we have found LA> no sign of life what ever and all efforts to communicate with LA> any other forms of life have failed miserably. The reasonable LA> conclusion is that this Earth is the ONLY place where any life LA> exists and has ever existed! I have to ask this question then, would you bet your life on it? Happy Trails, Fred. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. Lasalle, Quebec, Canada (1:167/133)