--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00017 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:27pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Runs for office on UFOs for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ufojoe1 [Joe Murgia] Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:36:13 EST To: updates@globalserve.net Subject: UFO UpDate: Brave Frances Barwood Found at : http://www.azcentral.com/news/0113barwood.shtml Barwood To Base Run On UFO Issue Barwood pushes UFOs in bid for state office By Chris Fiscus The Arizona Republic Jan. 13, 1998 When she pressed for an investigation into an apparent UFO sightingover Phoenix last March, then-Councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood drew her share of ridicule. But Barwood will announce today that she is basing her run for Arizona secretary of state in part on a pledge to get answers to such seemingly paranormal events. Her campaign will mark "the first time a viable candidate for high public office, state or national" has formally raised questions about the federal government's failure to investigate the V-shaped formation of lights that passed over Phoenix last March, and other reports of unidentified flying objects, she said. The sightings sparked hundreds of calls to Luke Air Force Base and the media. "I would have run anyway," Barwood said Monday, "but this made me realize we have a problem with the government's lack of openness." As secretary of state, she added, she would be in the position to ask for investigations into incidents like the one March 13 involving the lights. "What was the most astonishing thing to me was finding out all the times in the past people did ask, and all they got was ridicule," she said. She will announce her candidacy at a noon press conference at the downtown Hyatt Regency hotel. Her campaign team includes a Maryland man who specializes in dealing with unexplained events and incidents where the government reputedly ignored citizen inquiries, she said. "This is a public safety issue of state and national significance which should not, in good conscience, be ignored by a responsible candidate for high office," Barwood wrote in a statement. Another campaign manager will be on hand to help her deal with state issues. Barwood grabbed international attention and was a regular on national television and radio shows when, as a city councilwoman, she called for an investigation into the lights. UFO believers lauded her when she asked Phoenix to look into the sightings. When the city scoffed, she asked Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the Air Force to investigate. The questions went unanswered, she said, even though there were "thousands of sightings of unidentified craft" in state and national airspace. "Government has gotten so closed to the people it's become a 'them against us' attitude . . . Nobody trusts government," Barwood said Monday. When Barwood was on the City Council, though, the city approved a silicon-wafer plant for northeast Phoenix. That led to a recall, protests and legal challenges from furious neighbors who said the city rushed the plan through the process and duped the public. Barwood survived the recall and finished her term in office last month, but did not run for re-election. Several explanations have been offered for the lights. A Maryland Air National Guard unit has said several of its planes dropped flares while returning from a gunnery range in southern Arizona, which might account for the sighting. "I really feel (secretary of state) is an office that is a pivotal point in state government," she said. "We need to get back to what's really important, like our constitutional rights and our state rights. We have to have someone who's willing to stick her neck out to protect our freedoms." Former Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Betsey Bayless is the secretary of state, after Jane Hull moved into her new job as governor. Bayless is finishing Hull's term, which ends next January. If she wants to keep the job, Bayless will have to run. --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00018 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:39pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: More on DNA for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:54:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Tom Burnett" To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:49:51 -1000 > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:11:31 -0400 > From: Stanton Friedman > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book > > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:50:05 -0500 > > To: UFO UpDates - Toronto > > From: Bob Shell > > Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book > > >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto > > >From: Mark Cashman > > >Subject: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book > > >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:55:18 -0800 > > >Now, while chemistry dictates which sequences code for which > > >amino acids, thus making it likely that a DNA using cell from > > >elsewhere would also use those same sequences to code for those > > >amino acids (assuming those amino acids were used in their > > >proteins, which is not a given either), the other sequences, > > >especially the promoter and terminator sequences, are choices > > >made by evolution from a fairly wide set of possibilities. > > I simply do not understand why so many cling to the idea that > > what we are attempting to understand must be ET in origin. I > > think the probabilities are much higher that the phenomenon, > > whatever it may prove to be, is completely earthly in origin. > > Bob > Bob: > The evidence is overwhelming that we are dealing with > manufactured vehicles whose technology is well beyond ours > especially for the 1940s. > We could be their colonies. We could have a common origin. The > earth is not an old planet. There are stars 5 billion years older > than the Sun. > We know little about our past beyond a million years. Where is > the problem? Also, we are just beginning the age of genetic > manipulation, doing routinely things thought impossible 40 years > ago... No problem with ET except for those unwilling to stretch > their understanding. > Stan Friedman Aloha Stan.... While I hesitate to disagree with you (especially since I just ordered your new book today and I don't want to risk not getting an autographed copy), we cannot be an ET colony unless everything living on earth was planted here. All living terrestrial entities are related through DNA, or at least the chemistry that evokes DNA/RNA responses, and those responses evolved within very specific terrestrial conditions. Even supposing that some ETs might have modified the DNA of a group of chimpanzees by 2 or 3 percent in order to provide an evolutionary 'jump start', this seems an unnecessary complication, and the difficulties are absolutely staggering. 'They' may well be here, and the following possibilities come to mind: As recreation (like visiting the San Diego wild animal park); as an educational experience; as part of a training program, or as colonists. Or the earth might be a navigional point between other destinations. Whatever they might or might not be doing we do not seem to have a choice. According to the stories, we are certainly not being treated as long lost relatives, so the benign 'space brother' theory does not seem to work. We like to believe that the government is in collusion with them, but the government might have nothing but a crashed ship and a bunch of questions. If I ran the government, I wouldn't want that to get out until I figured out what to do about it. And they might never figure it out. Tom Burnett --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00019 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:41pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: From the Earth to the Moon for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To: updates@globalserve.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:12:54 +0100 Subject: U.S. Goes In Search Of Water On The Moon >From The Nando Times. URL: http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/health/011398/health12_4024_noframes.h tml ******* U.S. goes in search of water on the moon Copyright =A91998 Nando.net Copyright =A91998 Reuters=20 MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (January 13, 1998 8:13 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - After a flawless trip into orbit around the moon, the U.S. space probe Lunar Prospector has started scouring the lunar surface for possible reserves of water which could prove invaluable for any future human moon colonies. Mission control scientists said on Tuesday that the small robot explorer, NASA's first moonshot since the Apollo 17 astronauts walked on the lunar surface in 1972, had established a preliminary mapping orbit after a 240,000-mile journey from Cape Canaveral in Florida. "We are taking a great step toward rediscovering the moon," Prospector mission manager Scott Hubbard told a news conference at NASA's Ames Research Center. The Prospector probe was launched six days ago and took four and a half days to travel close to the moon. "It has been a joy to fly this spacecraft," said Alan Binder, the mission's principal investigator. "It really is child's play." After three "orbital insertion burns," the the tiny 4-foot, 650 pound spacecraft eased into an orbit some 60 miles above the moon's surface. A final "tweak" burn of the craft's thrusters will be completed on Thursday to bring it into its final mapping route. The five scientific instruments mounted on the drum-like probe were all running and streams of data were already pouring in "far better than expected," Binder said. Popular interest has focused on Prospector's neutron spectrometer, which will scan the surface for signs of hydrogen to confirm theories that the moon's polar regions could contain as much as one billion tons of water ice. "If water ice is present in the quantity some people have predicted, we may know that in the first month of the mission," Hubbard said. Scientists have speculated that frozen water from icy comets may have accumulated within polar craters on the moon that are permanently shaded from the sun. The existence of water ice on the moon could prove immensely useful for any future human colonies, with astronauts separating its components for use as rocket fuel. It was unclear whether such ice would be a potential source of drinking water. But Prospector's other missions are also important. Among them are gamma ray analysis to determine concentrations of elements such as uranium and iron on the lunar surface, and an alpha particle spectrometer which will be used to look for indications of volcanic and tectonic activity. With a price tag of $63 million, the Lunar Prospector is a modest successor to the multibillion-dollar Apollo project, which put 12 men on the surface of the moon from 1969 to 1972. Budget cuts in the early 1970s forced NASA to abandon lunar exploration and the U.S. space agency has concentrated its efforts on building the space shuttle and sending unmanned probes to Mars and the outer planets. Hubbard said Prospector's performance so far showed that NASA's new aim of "faster, better, cheaper" was the right way for man to further explore space. "This is probably the most cost-effective space science mission ever conducted," Hubbard said. "We hope that we will be able to apply some of these lessons to future missions." One minor controversy has involved a non-scientific payload aboard Prospector: one ounce (28 grams) of the ashes of planetary scientist Gene Shoemaker, who died last year. Shoemaker, his wife, Carolyn, and amateur astronomer David Levy discovered the broken comet that crashed into Jupiter in 1994. He was also involved in the unmanned Ranger missions that paved the way for the Apollo moon landings. Navajo officials voiced objections to the inclusion of human remains on Prospector, which is designed finally to descend and crash on the moon's surface when its mission is completed. The Navajo said human bodies should not be left on the moon, which they regard as sacred ground. NASA officials have apologized for any misunderstanding over the ashes, which they said were being taken to the moon as a tribute to Shoemaker and intended to cause insult to anyone.=20 By ANDREW QUINN, Reuters Copyright =A91998 Nando.net --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00020 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:44pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: UFO cultists for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose) To: updates@globalserve.net Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:16:22 +0100 Subject: Members Of German UFO Cult Released >From the Las Vegas Sun. URL: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/1998/jan/13/011300257.html ******* Today: January 13, 1998 at 15:22:05 PST German Cult Members Released ASSOCIATED PRESS SANTA CRUZ DE TENERIFE, Canary Islands (AP) -- Nineteen Germans linked to a suspected doomsday religious sect were released without charge Tuesday, a day after being arrested for allegedly planning to take part in a mass suicide. The 19, including three children, were taken into custody late Monday after police searched a house owned by their jailed leader, said Mari Paz Bernal, a spokeswoman for the Interior Ministry. The leader, Heide Fittkau-Garthe, was arrested last week and accused of an earlier plot to lead her 31 followers in a mass suicide. According to police, the original scheme called for the followers to kill themselves on Jan. 8 -- the day they reportedly believed the world would end. Fittkau-Garthe has denied the claims of a group plot to take their lives. The followers, police said, believed a space ship would come and pick up their bodies at Teide mountain on Tenerife, one of seven islands in the Canary archipelago, located off the northwest African coast. Police said they were tipped to a second suicide plan by the mother of one of the cult members. Bernal refused to say whether the release of the 19 meant that authorities no longer believed the second suicide plan existed. Police said they would continue to monitor the Germans, who were staying in Fittkau-Garthe's house, but they were free to leave the country. The other 12 cult members, who were in Germany, were not arrested, she said. The sect, whose name was not released, has been linked to the Order of the Solar Temple, whose followers have carried out mass suicides in Canada, France and Switzerland. The attorney for Fittkau-Garthe, a 57-year-old German psychologist currently charged with attempted murder and inducement to suicide, insists the allegations are unfounded. Enrique Porres says his client administers "spiritual therapy" that has nothing to do with mass suicide. During their search of Fittkau-Garthe's home, police discovered a child's drawing of a UFO and then concocted the space ship story, he says. All contents copyright 1998 Las Vegas SUN, Inc. --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00021 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:45pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Texas sighting 1/2 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Ben Field" To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" Subject: UFO Report - Sighting at sea Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 17:44:29 -0000 I thought this may be of interest to some of you, again it is a UFO Report reported on the B.U.F.O.D. Space, Above and Beyond website : http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk All the best....Ben Field ben@abcfield.force9.co.uk ------------------------------------------------ Permision to publish report: Yes First name: Jeremy Clark Surname: Packer Age: 32 Occupation: Engineer Year sighting took place: 1997 Month sighting took place: December Day sighting took place: Monday Time sighting took place: 8:00 am Country: USA Nearest town: Corpus Christi Description of area where sighting took place: Oil Platform- 30 miles from Shore of Gulf of Mexico. No land masses...no clouds...heavy wind...several liners. 500 manned oil rig. The UFO was sighted in or near a Reservoir/River/Canal/Water The UFO was sighted in or near an air route Did anyone else witness the sighting ?: Yes Relationship of witnesses: Co-Workers Circumstances of the sighting/experience: I had just woke up for our daily routine on the rig. Our sleeping quarters were below sea level, so we all had to trundge up to the main core housing to start work. It was about 7:58 to 8:00. My watch stopped ticking at 7:58 but I don't know if my time was right. Everyone else's watch stopped ticking as well with various times. As I and about 20 other men neared our stations to perform the daily greasing and releasing routine, we stopped cold in our tracks. The Bore that drills the hole into the ocean floor was bent like a toothpick into a V-Shape. We looked at the underwater cameras to recheck what our eyes saw and we could't believe it. First off..this bore is 140.65 Feet thick made of solid steel. Nothing can bend it...let alone something on the ocean floor...and it wasn't even on the ocean floor! It was just right below the surface of the water about 200 feet...the amount of pressure it would take would be equal to the sun's force. We were dumbfounded... then we got scared! Everyone started hearing a rumbling noise and we knew it wasn't the Engines running the platform bore...everything shuts off when something goes wrong. Out of th West we saw what looked to be about 25-30 Helicopters on maneuvers...not uncommen a sight. What was uncommen was that the rig commander came up and told us he had no alerts to any military maneuvers from the coast guard that day. They usually alert us whenever they do these things in our vicinity. Another peculiar thing was that the helicopters made no sounds..none ZIPP! Then we all ran to the west side of the platform...about 250 of us in all...the others were below sleeping...they have the night shift. Then we saw something that totally changed us! All of the helicopters stopped in midair and something LARGE..very LARGE surfaced beneath them. It was a HUGE Metal object about the size of our platform! It just came straight out of the water and straight into the air! It hovered over the Helicopters for about 2 minutes. Enough for us to use the telescopes to check it out! it was as large as about two football fields, concave underneath with 4 large bulbouse domes in the concave part of the bottom of it. It turned on it's side and we saw that it looked like a huge flying CIGAR which was tapored at both ends. On the top of the thing was another concave indent that had lights circling within it. Every color you could possibly imagine! It was BEAUTIFUL! We heard the soft rumbling all througout the sighting. Then something amazing happened as we stood there in disbelief. Like someone turning off a light switch...it was gone. One second we were all looking through binoculars, telescopes and through just our eyes...hell it was close enough you didn't need the devices! then it was gone. I would say as fast as you could blink or a light switch would turn on and off a light...it was gone. The helicopters headed our way and passed us overhead, again never making a sound. We could see that they had absolutely no markings. Familiar with the stuff the military does around here, we knew they we ren't military craft. Some looked like they were stainless steel, almost invisible, some were jet black. I counted 22...my best friend couted 28. Everyone had a different amount. We all also noticed that our watches were about 30 minutes later than what the time actually was when we got back to the mainland. We were sent on temporary leave by our bosses for what we reported so that they could fix/repair/replace the bore on the rig. I'm back at work now but I still look out at the ocean every chance I get! The height the UFO was from the ground was about: 280 - 300 feet above sea Noise info. heard during the sighting: Rumbling Sound for most of the sighting. Our watches stopped working! The UFO was sighted for [ ] Minutes: 30 >>> Continued to next message --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00022 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:47pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Texas sighting 2/2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Continued from previous message The UFO Manoeuvred The UFO Changed Colour The UFO Hovered The UFO Rotated Was any photographic record made at the time?: Yes, Camera Did you experience any effects ie loss of time: Yes...All our watches showed 30 minutes late/about the time the sighting took place. (Weather and Conditions) - Windy (Weather and Conditions) - Cold (Weather and Conditions) - Daylight -------------------------------------------------- --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 221 UFO Ref: F1K00023 Date: 01/14/98 From: JACK SARGEANT Time: 10:53pm \/To: ALL (Read 2 times) Subj: Speculations 1/2 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:33:55 -0500 (EST) To: UFO UpDates - Toronto From: Mark Cashman Subject: re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 21:47:18 -0800 > From: UFO UpDates - Toronto , on 1/13/98 5:18 PM: > From: "Tom Burnett" > To: > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:00:22 -1000 > Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'The Threat' - Sandow on Jacobs' new book > Aloha Bob... (large sections of stuff I agree with snipped) > Many physicists think time travel is a viable possibility. As far > as I understand the math (which is about as far as I can toss an > elephant), one cannot exit a wormhole except at the exact time > and place one entered it without creating an insuperable paradox. > But if 'they' are here, either through space or time, that > problem must have been resolved. > I agree that evolutionarily advanced humans traveling back > through time to us would resolve a lot of the biological problems > of abduction claims, and what seems to me the interesting anomaly > of alien creatures being able accomplish intergalactic travel > just to crash once they reach earth. Maybe the human race just > cannot learn to drive. But time travel might create moral and > ethical problems elsewhere. If the government has recovered > artifacts and bodies they would know, but if it were a time > travel scenario you could be darned sure they would never admit > that it was happening and I would not blame them. I wouldn't > either. Actually, I have never really understood the idea that simply traveling in time causes a paradox. A real paradox would require a time traveler to do something that prevents them from traveling in time to perform that action. But we don't know how resilient the structure of events might be - most scientists seem to assume it has a positive feeback response to changes made by future entities traveling into the past, but I suspect that some events may have large effects and others may die out. Certainly there are things about UFOs which make the time- travel hypothesis appealing. Elusiveness, for instance, would seem to be a requirement for time travelers. However, the variety of reported occupants would indicate several races and even species of time travelers, just as ETH proponents point to this as an indication of multiple visiting ET species. That being the case, I am not sure what we gain by asserting the TTH. Yes, the biological assertions of abductees are a problem, but only if we believe them. And there are a number of things to worry about: 1) Distinguishing between a real abduction and a false one is not something commonly or easily done. Many likely false abduction cases contaminate the data. 2) Abductees typically claim to be in an abnormal psychological state, which does not lead one to firm confidence in the content of their memory, no matter how sincere their belief in the events they report or which are revealed through hypnosis. 3) Important parts of abduction data have been revealed under hypnosis. Even qualified psychological researchers remain uncertain as to the nature of the hypnotic state and the degree to which confabulation occurs. Obviously, this is using an abnormal mental state to recall another abnormal mental state at the best interpretation possible. 4) Even discarding all of the above, the abductors may be lying, joking, performing a strange act of theatre, using mind control to determine the mental and emotional parameters of humans and their relationship to their offspring, or any number of other possibilities open to the fertile mind of the science-fiction speculator. In short, we do not know that what the abductees relate as a common story is a true representation of reality. This means we do not know if human and alien biology is, in fact, compatible in any way. I remain concerned about a number of features which reflect dubiously on the reality of at least some abductions. 1) Lack of allergic reactions. 2) Lack of biological infection. 3) Lack of recuperative time - excessively rapid healing after massively intrusive procedures. 4) Lack of artifacts despite the continued apparent implantation of humans with alien technology. 5) Presence of some clearly non-physical abductions. > Hmmmmm.....Maybe some UFO investigators should be looking forward > instead of up. > > I defer to Mark Cashman who, I hope, will comment. At this point, I don't see a need for the TTH. On a plausibility scale, I suspect we have, in order: ETH - we know life exists in the universe, that intelligent life exists in the universe, and that it can travel in space: we are that life. We know that there is significant evidence that UFOs are physical and operate according to the laws of physics as we know them, despite their unusual appearance and extreme performance; in fact, UFOs appear to be machines, crewed by non-human beings. UFOs come from the sky and return to the sky in a significant proportion of cases. The obvious suggestion is that UFOs are from another world somewhere in space. NPH (Non-physical hypotheses such as Earthlights) - we know that the human mind can be influenced by magnetic and electrical fields, we know plasmas can exist. Unfortunately, NPH cannot easily deal with the clearly physical aspects of the phenomenon, and essentially would need to be classed with the hoax/hallucination/misperception hypotheses in its inability to explain important UFO data. >>> Continued to next message --- FMail 1.22 * Origin: -=Keep Watching the Skies=- ufo1@juno.com (1:379/12)