--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGM00000 Date: 12/16/96 From: STEPHEN HAFFLY Time: 05:34pm \/To: BRUCE CLARK (Read 1 times) Subj: Timeguard On (14 Dec 96) Bruce Clark wrote to Stephen Haffly... BC> The Timeguard works. At least it keeps Ensemble from BC> resetting the CMOS clock. The GEOS clock still quits BC> when I suspend and just takes up where it left off, BC> upon resuming. Kind of funny, I start GEOS from in BC> Windows and when I Alt-Tab to Windows, the Windows BC> clock is correct. Go back to GEOS and it's clock is BC> still slow. The same happens with OS/2. I believe it is because the GEOS clock only is active when GEOS gets its timeslices from the controlling program be that OS/2 or Windows. It will by nature run slow then when run as a task in a multitasking OS. BC> Made a launcher for Kirk Lawrence's getaclk.com. After BC> suspending, all I have to do is double click on that BC> icon and it resets the GEOS clock. I'm not familiar with this application. I am assuming it is a DOS application since you type "launcher". Since it would be operating in the same DOS session, I can see where it might work. BC> Unfortunately, it turns out that starting any DOS program BC> does the same thing. GEOS shuts down and restarts when a BC> DOS program is run. Any progam that runs and exits would BC> do the same thing. True. The only thing I can think of that would make your GEOS clock keep more accurate time would be to either launch Windows from GEOS, or to give GEOS such a high priority in timeslices that it would just about bring everthing else to a halt. It is just one of the things we have to put up with running a multitasking OS from a multitasking OS. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & Geoworks Ensemble - What a combo! slhaffly@bora.dacom.co.kr FIDO 6:760/4.3 ... indows cons ice

ointers...heesh --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: A point in Yongsan (6:760/4.3) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGM00001 Date: 12/16/96 From: DOUG FITZPATRICK Time: 11:16am \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: This echo While following this echo, I was noticing replies to posts I hadn't seen. Thanks, to Terri, for the idea of telnetting to a BBS that carries this echo. I was prepared to call long distance to pick it up, but now I can use the Internet. I can d/l my QWK packets using Zmodem with Warp, SIO and Telix (DOS). regards, Doug dfitzpat@axionet.com Delta, BC,Canada --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Texas K9 Police Association On-Line Library (1:124/4220) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGM00002 Date: 12/16/96 From: BILL WOLFF Time: 10:28am \/To: STEPHEN HAFFLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Geos running under msdos7 On (11 Dec 96) Stephen Haffly wrote to Bill Wolff... Hi Stephen... SH> On (07 Dec 96) Bill Wolff wrote to Robert Obrien... BW> On (29 Nov 96) Robert Obrien wrote to Peter Campbell... RO> Thanks for the reply on installing OS/2. I bought the blue RO> version because I do not have any Microsoft products on my hard RO> drive. However there are one or two Windows programs that I RO> would like to try and this seems to be the best way to get the RO> code without buying the program from Microsoft. They have RO> enough money and do not need mine. BW> What a big mistake IMHO. For starters, WIN-OS/2 isn't really 100% BW> Windows compatible. So under some conditions, you need the real BW> thing and the blue box doesn't have the real thing. Also IBM's blue BW> box also sells you a licence to use Windows from Microsoft/IBM BW> agreement. And IBM has to pay Microsoft anyway for this. So you BW> ended up paying Microsoft anyway and ended up with a Windows BW> emulator instead of the real thing. That would tick me off. SH> No, it has been recompiled to run FASTER than Microsoft's SH> version. The incompatability comes from Microsoft setting a SH> moving target for the Win32s programs, which OS/2 won't allow SH> because they can jeopardize system stability. No, there is two WIN-OS/2 versions. One uses your own MS Windows copy and OS/2 patches it to work with OS/2. Or the other WIN-OS/2 version which has IBM's licensed copy built in. Although neither one of them is really 100% Windows compatible. I really got tired of dropping out of OS/2 a few times per day just to run some of my Windows and DOS applications. SH> Such programs OS/2 won't allow to run because when you have a SH> mission critical application, you can't have a program crash. I had more dang crashes under OS/2 than running anything else in my life! For example, Warp crashed on average about twice per week. Plus I had to reboot a few times per day just to run the real Windows because WIN-OS/2 wouldn't run them. SH> ... I have read many of your messages spreading FUD about OS/2. SH> Just because you were not able to get it running to your SH> satisfaction doesn't mean that others are in the same boat. Want to bet? And I don't spread FUD! Everything I say has been clearly documented to be true! SH> For me it runs fine, with all of the OS/2 applications as well SH> as Geoworks Ensemble and my other DOS programs. Windows SH> programs have no space on my system, although I have Win-OS/2 SH> installed to be free to experiment if I want to. No wonder you don't see any problems. When you start running Windows like the masses are (and almost anything has a Windows version available and is largely supported), then you might realize what I'm talking about. RO> I will let you know if I need the printer set up and setting RO> instructions after I get OS/2 installed and set up. I am a RO> little hesitant becuse I am aware that there may be RO> compatibility problems with some of my hardware and I like a RO> computer that runs flawlessly. So far using DOS the worst RO> problems I have had were memory problems with New Deal Office RO> when I tried to print. Those seem to be solved for now though. RO> Again thanks for the help and Happy Thanksgiving from the USA. RO> Bob O'Brien BW> You may also find some real nasty bugs within OS/2 that drives me BW> nuts. Like the keyboard going to sleep while you're running with all BW> well behaved applications which means the user has to reboot to get BW> it back. OS/2 also has other annoying quirks as well. But it should BW> at least behave well enough to get GEOS running okay under it. I did BW> for 17 months, now everything runs under W95 and my OS/2 CD-ROMs are BW> now great drink coasters. SH> Again, you talk of experience that may be peculiar to your SH> hardware... Sorry... but it's not just me. The bug that I had found with Warp is do to a bug which effects all computers running Warp v3. Which was verified by Denis Tonn. IBM releases FixPak after FixPak for over two years and still the bug isn't fixed yet! And when it hits, the user has to reboot the computer to get it back. OS/2 running mission critical application(s)??? My eye! SH> On my system, I have had single input queue lockups, but with SH> Warp 4.0, this has been addressed and occurs much less. For the SH> occasional misbehaving program, Process Commander (Stardock SH> Systems) kills it and gives me control back. Denis Tonn claims the bug is finally fixed in Warp 4, but Warp 3 still has the bug. And how many times did I have to reboot in the last two years? Many! SH> GEOS doesn't only run "okay" under OS/2. It runs well, and SH> allows the other applications to run concurrently, something SH> DOS can't do. Look! GEOS and Windows runs on top of DOS like a shell. Like it or not, DOS running GEOS and/or Windows multitasks. That's something Warp wouldn't do for me, if I ran sessions in 640x480x256 or higher resolution. As Warp would only task switch between them. See the book titled Warp Unleashed for details why it doesn't work on many systems. SH> OS/2 is also much better at communications while actually SH> multitasking multiple applications than Windows 95... Oh bull! OS/2 couldn't even run Telix v3.22 in a window while moving it around with the mouse. OS/2 is so bad at communications, that Ray Gwinn seems to have done well with his SIO driver just to help OS/2 out some. I have zero communication problems here with W95! And no third party drivers either. But OS/2 was just terrible. SH> ... There are, however well-behaved multitasking/multithreading SH> OS/2 games just now reaching the market that should break new SH> ground and set much higher standards for future games. Look! I have been waiting for good and plentiful native OS/2 applications for 10 years now. So quit pulling on my chain! Native OS/2 applications are few and far in between. SH> In any case, there are enough of us who run GWE in an OS/2 SH> Virtual Dos Machine to be able to help. OS/2 will even detect SH> and set most of the parameters for GWE, and place an icon in SH> the DOS programs folder for it. Additional tweaks can be done SH> from there. Printing may require a change to the OS/2 printer SH> settings to allow the port to be shared. GWE's printing can be SH> set to IRQ7, but if so, then printing will stop when swapping SH> out of GWE. If it is set to DOS, then it will spool to OS/2's SH> spooler and print regardless. And what do you think happens under W95? Remember I have ran both OS. Actually I have ran OS/2 twice as long as I have under W95. SH> As much as I prefer OS/2 as a base system compared with either SH> DOS or Windows (Dos with pictures), I admit OS/2 isn't SH> perfect... When IBM ever gets serious about making the promises come alive and third parties starts supporting them, then wake me up okay? SH> It still takes far too much in the way of system resources to SH> accomplish what GEOS does, and does very well... Of course it does. SH> ... By the way Bill, how much will it cost you to be able to SH> use voice dictation with your machine? It came included in Warp SH> 4.0. I've had voice dictation on my Commodore 64 for the past 10 years now with a add on product called Hearsay 1000. It's no big deal. I still prefer my keyboard and mouse anyway. Btw, the Hearsay worked with only 64kb of RAM. And IBM recommends how much RAM with voice dictation? Sorry, I need my RAM to get some work done. Not to play games and allow OS/2 to eat up my system resources. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The WIN95/GEOS Connection Point (1:115/769.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGM00003 Date: 12/16/96 From: BILL WOLFF Time: 10:32am \/To: STEPHEN HAFFLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Team OS/2 help On (12 Dec 96) Stephen Haffly wrote to Bill Wolff... Hi Stephen... CM> I am in a quandry, at this time. I need a copy of OS/2 warp v3 CM> on CD rom. I have the red spine box, with the 3.5" floppies, CM> and I'd like to install OS/2 as the OS for my WC4.20m10 system, CM> but really can't (don't) want to spare the 4-6 hours, or more, CM> that it would take to install from floppy disks. BW> I have worked with, installed, and ran OS/2 far many times. And if BW> you are worried about only waiting 4-6 hours to change over to OS/2, BW> then you have a big surprise coming. I've used OS/2 for 17 months BW> and the time you waste with OS/2 seems to be never ending. If you're BW> not reconfiguring it over and over again, then you are either BW> tracking down drivers, software, etc. SH> Please stop extrapolating your experience to everyone. I have SH> used OS/2 Warp for two years and have certainly not had the SH> experience you have had. It has installed out of the box for SH> me, certainly in less than the 4 to 6 hours you mention, and SH> has run stable unless I did something to affect that such as SH> running less than well behaved beta applications. Oh please! I can find message after message of others saying the same dang thing that I am in the OS/2 echo. SH> If Chris wants to try it out, he certainly can. Sure he can. But it's also fair to warn him what he is up against. SH> Just because you decided on DOS with pictures called Windows 95 SH> doesn't mean everyone has to follow your choice. If you are going to insult people, I suggest you go find somewhere else to play! SH> FWIW, Geoworks Ensemble 2.01 runs fine with OS/2, both Warp 3.0 SH> and Warp 4.0. I can't say about NDO, because I have decided to SH> wait until the next version with communications is released. GEOS Ensemble 2.01 and NDO also runs fine under W95. SH> You wouldn't know FUD if it hit you on the head! You clearly haven't had the expertise in running both OS/2 and Windows that I have had. So I suggest you should go share your opinions with those that are far more ignorant that you are. --- PPoint 2.00 * Origin: The WIN95/GEOS Connection Point (1:115/769.2) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGN00000 Date: 12/17/96 From: BRUCE CLARK Time: 05:14pm \/To: STEPHEN HAFFLY (Read 1 times) Subj: Timeguard -=> Quoting Stephen Haffly to Bruce Clark <=- --SNIP-- SH> True. The only thing I can think of that would make your GEOS clock SH> keep more accurate time would be to either launch Windows from GEOS, SH> or to give GEOS such a high priority in timeslices that it would just SH> about bring everthing else to a halt. It is just one of the things we SH> have to put up with running a multitasking OS from a multitasking OS. Or if someone would come up with a GEOS program that would read the CMOS clock and reset the GEOS clock, the way Windows does. Windows 3.1x SYSTEM.INI [386Enh] SyncTime=ON Get a clock From: Kirk Lawrence For those whose =system= (DOS) clock sometimes get messed up (many PC games will do that), here's a li'l program that can be run from the DOS prompt to re-set the system clock to the hardware (CMOS) clock. Note that this is for AT-class machines only (286, 386, 486, Pentium); won't work on a PC or XT. Just screen-capture and UUDECODE the following: ---------------------------- snip ----------------------------- section 1 of uuencode 5.25 of file getatclk.com by R.E.M. begin 644 getatclk.com MZ=(`#0H@($=%5$%40TQ+(%9E@@`(HVU`&T+ TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGN00001 Date: 12/17/96 From: DOUG FITZPATRICK Time: 12:20pm \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 1 times) Subj: Team OS/2 help On Monday 12-16-1996 , Bill Wolff wrote to Stephen Haffly about ' Team OS/2 help ' BW> SH> BW> BW> You wouldn't know FUD if it hit you on the head! You clearly BW> haven't had the expertise in running both OS/2 and Windows that I BW> have had. So I suggest you should go share your opinions with those BW> that are far more ignorant that you are. This *OFF TOPIC POST* has made my night! Could it be the word you wanted to use was experience? In your recent barrage of *OFF TOPIC POSTS* you have stated you have no expertise in running OS/2. apologies to the echo Doug dfitzpat@axionet.com ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X --- Maximus/2 2.01wb * Origin: TASH Online Disability Resource 604 856-3661 (1:153/316) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGQ00000 Date: 12/19/96 From: MATTHEW JOHNSON Time: 06:17pm \/To: ALL (Read 1 times) Subj: NEWDEAL PUBLISH I just downloaded NEWDEAL Publish from the ftp site. mmmm lets play spot the difference. I found a new screen saver. The $130 deal with the clipart, fonts, templates and games looks pretty good. Plus $19 postage (international). Should work out about $200 AUD. What are the plans for new versions again? They obviously havn't changed anything yet, oh, except a search and replace NEW for GEOS. Cya Matt __ _ ____ ____ ---+=| =\|=| ==| ===) =========| ===' =============+--- matthewj@gil.com.au |_|\__|ew |_|\_\esolution |____,ommunications * RM 1.31 3332 * PnP tip #1: Just like baby shampoo, it DOES make you cry. --- * Origin: Past the Black Stump BBS 07-54-656667 Laidley.. Q'land. (3:640/404) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGQ00001 Date: 12/17/96 From: CHRIS MARTIN Time: 09:14am \/To: PETER CAMPBELL (Read 1 times) Subj: Geos running under msdos7 Hello Peter! In a message to Stephen Haffly <12/14/96> Peter Campbell wrote: PC> have not found a GUI that is without problems. Which is why Reagan's PC> "Star Wars" system was so frightening. How would they ever have debugged PC> the software??????? All they would have done, is acknowledged it, and said it was an "undocumented" Feature! Later Chris Martin The MARS Station BBS ... An Authorized BBS UTILITEEZ Software Distribution Site.. * WCE 2.1G1/2419 * Work expands so as to fill the time available for its com --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: MARS Station (1:219/308.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 220 GEOWORKS Ref: DGQ00002 Date: 12/18/96 From: CHRIS MARTIN Time: 09:00am \/To: BILL WOLFF (Read 1 times) Subj: Team OS/2 help Hello Bill! In a message to Stephen Haffly <12/16/96> Bill Wolff wrote: CM> I am in a quandry, at this time. I need a copy of OS/2 warp v3 CM> on CD rom. I have the red spine box, with the 3.5" floppies, BW> I have worked with, installed, and ran OS/2 far many times. And if BW> you are worried about only waiting 4-6 hours to change over to OS/2, BW> then you have a big surprise coming. I've used OS/2 for 17 months SH> Please stop extrapolating your experience to everyone. I have SH> used OS/2 Warp for two years and have certainly not had the SH> experience you have had. It has installed out of the box for ** Snippity Snip *** SH> Just because you decided on DOS with pictures called Windows 95 SH> doesn't mean everyone has to follow your choice. ** Snippity... again ** Gentlemen....PLEASE. Save the flames for a Bar-B-Que... I asked a question regarding a source for the Warp CD, and possible CDrom drivers, since I know for a fact that the BBS software I run, WILL run quite well under OS/2. I _HAVE_ tried the Win3/Win4WG/Win95 route, and while they all worked to some extent, they were not what I was looking for. Please end this thread, before the moderator steps in, as it has gone far beyond the original question's scope. For what it is worth, everyone else can run whatever OS they want, be it DOS, Win3, Win95/NT, OS/2, Linux/Unix or even CPM (arghh...) if it pleases them, and does what THEY need. What IS guaranteed, is that individual mileage WILL vary. Later Chris Martin The MARS Station BBS Another GeoWorks Support BBS ... An Authorized BBS UTILITEEZ Software Distribution Site.. * WCE 2.1G1/2419 * Work really gets in the way, doesn't it? --- WILDMAIL!/WC v4.12 * Origin: MARS Station (1:219/308.0)