--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2C00001 Date: 02/08/98 From: PATRICK E. SNYDER Time: 12:50am \/To: CHRISTINE LABONTE (Read 0 times) Subj: Himalayan Mountain Dog? > PES> I can find no reference to it, although that doesn't mean it is > PES> not a recently imported an as yet unrecognized breed. > > I had someone say that it was actually some sort of "local" working > breed, > kinda like the Newfoundland. This is the only person that has ever > even heard of it. Even my vet has no idea! :) > > PES> The first is the Tibetan Mastiff. This definitely sounds like a Tibetan Mastiff. They bear a resemblance to the Newfie. > Yes, I like talking about this guy. He's a great dog, if a bit > over-energetic! He chews *everything* he can get his paws on, and has a > nasty > nipping habit, but I'm furiously working on these... :) He's quite > intelligent too. He's going to be a *gorgeous* dog when he's full > grown. > Oh, did I mention his name is Ben? :) I love to see that someone loves their dog! | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... "I do not fear computers, I fear the lack of them" - Asimov --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Mike & Steve's BBS Grand Rapids MI (616) 285-9031 (1:228/87) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2C00002 Date: 02/08/98 From: PATRICK E. SNYDER Time: 12:50am \/To: CHRISTINE LABONTE (Read 0 times) Subj: Blue Danes - Deaf? > Sorry to butt in here, but as the owner of a deaf cat, I can assure you > that > they do indeed feel vibrations. When we call him to dinner, we stamp > our foot on the floor so he can "hear" us. :) My original point was that some deaf dogs are easily startled. Try the stomping trick on a solid cement floor covered in carpeting or with a half dozen kids romping around. And I am sure you can walk up on him easily when he is sleeping. | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... Sheesh! You start havin' fun, and they send the lawyers! --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Mike & Steve's BBS Grand Rapids MI (616) 285-9031 (1:228/87) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2C00003 Date: 02/08/98 From: BRIAN LEO Time: 01:09am \/To: GARY FAUCETT (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: PASSIVE LAB. On 4 Feb 98 11:26pm, GARY FAUCETT wrote to : GF> I have a male Lab. that I adopted. He is about 2 years old. He is very GF> passive, the only thing he will bark at is the school bus. HOw do I GF> make him more agressive? I would like him to at least bark at GF> strangers when they come up to the fense. Right now he tucks his tale. GF> NOt very protective. Maybe the Lab. breed may not be that protective. It's in the genes pretty well that a lab is a friendly, people dog. Accept him for what he is. Don't try to make his aggressive. There are other breeds that are good with people too but will go nuts if a stranger walks past the house or up the driveway. My Catahoula is like that. He started "defending" the house when he was about 5 months old. He did this with no training on my part. BRIAN LEO ... If you're not the lead dog, everything looks the same! * Evaluation copy of Silver Xpress. Day # 477 * Silver Xpress V4.01 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Bits & Bytes BBS - Toronto, Ont. 416- 532-1784 1:25 (1:250/350) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00000 Date: 02/08/98 From: JUDITH BANDSMA Time: 12:07pm \/To: PATRICK E. SNYDER (Read 0 times) Subj: Meet Buster! -=> Quoting Patrick E. Snyder to Judith Bandsma <=- PES> I again disagree. I would not beat a dog, but I will resort to a jerk PES> on the chain for an attack trained dog that won't listen. The stakes PES> are too high for ANY disobedience. The only time I consider a collar correction as physical punishment is when it is used by someone who doesn't know what they are doing and uses it as a CHOKE correction. To me, physical punishment is hitting the dog...for anything. We have a situation next door...the guy bought his parents a Rottie pup. These are people who are over 70, the man is more than legally blind and they both have heart conditions. The son refuses to take the pup for any kind of training. (Hell, he's never even taken that dog...who is the same age as Dot, and they have had since he was 6 WEEKS old...for a ***WALK***) The pup gets dumped outside with no toys, no companionship, and then smacked when he digs, or jumps or any of the other things dogs do. Now he says he'll just put a prong collar on the dog and that'll teach him to behave. But the guy is lazy...super lazy...and that will probably be too much work for him. I'm expecting any day to have him say that he's buying a shock collar so that he won't even have to get out of his chair to stop the dog from 'being bad'. Here is where I see the use of collars and training aids as being abuse, not when they are used by someone who has bothered to learn how and when to use them for best effect. Oh, if he DOES get a shock collar for the dog, he's probably going to end up spending more for batteries than he ever thought possible. ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Fido Backbone Mail & More! telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00001 Date: 02/08/98 From: JUDITH BANDSMA Time: 12:18pm \/To: PATRICK E. SNYDER (Read 0 times) Subj: Buster! -=> Quoting Patrick E. Snyder to Raymond Cool <=- > So do you still advise crate training for him? PES> My wife made a point to me. If you are going to travel, most hotels/ PES> motels that allow dogs require them to be crated. Just a thought. And some that are iffy about animals can be persuaded if you have a crate with you. ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v2.0 * Origin: Fido Backbone Mail & More! telnet://docsplace.dyn.ml (1:3603/140) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00002 Date: 02/08/98 From: PATRICK E. SNYDER Time: 05:16am \/To: AVRAMA GINGOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: Himalayan Mountain Dog? > PS> The first is the Tibetan Mastiff. Usually black, but some brown or > PS> gold sometimes shows. VERY large, up to 220 lbs! I believe there > were > PS> two shown for about five seconds in the movie "Kundun". > > Probably means what is known as the Tibetan Mastiff? Many are dark, > but an equal number are particoloured, or self-colored light > colors., I thought that is what I said... > > PS> The second is the Bernese Mountain Dog. Also very large. > > Not at all a giant breed; the Bernese is smaller than the > St. Bernard. Furthermore, the Alps are not exactly near the > Himalayas. I was cross referencing "mountain dog". I have never heard of a 'HimalayanMountai Dog" so I was playng word association. Hmmm...Himalayan? Maybe Tibet. Mountain Dog? Maybe got the wrong mountains... | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... A penny for your thoughts...$200 to act it out. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Mike & Steve's BBS Grand Rapids MI (616) 285-9031 (1:228/87) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00003 Date: 02/08/98 From: PATRICK E. SNYDER Time: 05:16am \/To: RAYMOND COOL (Read 0 times) Subj: Buster! > So do you still advise crate training for him? My wife made a point to me. If you are going to travel, most hotels/ motels that allow dogs require them to be crated. Just a thought. | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... Rush Limbaugh: High Commander of the armies of ignorance. --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Mike & Steve's BBS Grand Rapids MI (616) 285-9031 (1:228/87) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00004 Date: 02/08/98 From: PATRICK E. SNYDER Time: 05:16am \/To: ELVIS HARGROVE (Read 0 times) Subj: New Puppy? > (Digging) > > -> This I can't help you with, since I haven't gotten around to finding > -> the solution for it yet... ;) > > Hi Christine.... Just wanted to welcome you to the echo and say this; > > Digging is really a problem for some folks. Great Danes are the > dangdest excavators in the dog world, but in over twenty-five years of > raising and owning Danes, I've never had one that wanted to dig OUT! A > couple of mine have almost buried an old car out behind our barn, and > if > they'd wanted to they could have easily tunneled under the fence. BUT, > for some reason they never seemed to want to. > > Yes, I'm thanking my lucky stars for my good fortune, but as to getting > them to STOP digging? No WAY! Salsa (Bullmastiff mix) loves to dig at rocks. When asked her breed we have taken to calling her a 'Rototiller'. They say 'Rottweiler'? Nope! | AmiQWK 2.9 - FREEWARE | ... Never underestimate the power of forgiveness --- GEcho 1.20/Pro * Origin: Mike & Steve's BBS Grand Rapids MI (616) 285-9031 (1:228/87) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00005 Date: 02/06/98 From: JUDITH BANDSMA Time: 08:05am \/To: DESIREE LOUVRE (Read 0 times) Subj: NEW PUPPY? -=>Desiree Louvre said WHAT to All <=- DL> Now to the problem... it seems Taffy likes to chew EVERYTHING... esp DL> if it is mine. :( He doesn't just pick trivial things either... he He's most likely teething. And, even supervised, pups are very fast to grab something. Dot is now 6 mos. old and when I first brought her home I had a day when I was right there and she chewed up some newspapers, plastic bags while my back was turned cleaning up the papers and then a 50 lb. bag of cat litter while I was cleaning up the plastic. All of this in a very small space and in less than 10 minutes. DL> The other problem we have is paper training. He urinates on the paper DL> all the time... his aim has improved immensely, ;) but he still wants DL> to do his other business on the carpet by the front door. Even when the You'll have to find some kind of product to clean that area that will kill even what you can't smell. An enzyme cleaner of some sort. As for paper training...why? I've found it actually harder to move from paper to outside than to just do the 'out' training in the first place. DL> We're a little reluctant to putting him outside yet while we go out, DL> the SPCA warned us that there was a rash of dog thefts (for food) in DL> our area over the past few months. (9 dogs have gone missing) DL> Oh, and what's all this talk about 'crate training'? And what exactly DL> is it used for? And yes... our dog would go nuts if the kids were Crate training is confining the dog to a crate when you can't supervise. It should be big enough for the pup to stand up, lie down and turn around. Blocked off if the crate is large enough for the adult he will become. A dog will not foul its own nest so you will have a puppy ready to go out... who you can then highly praise for doing what you want it to. And you have no more worries about chewing while you are asleep or out because the pup will have its toys and chewys in the crate with it and can't get at anything else. (If nothing else...think seriously about the possibility of the pup chewing on electrical cords.) You don't have to say 'no' all the time and everyone ends up happier. DL> He also has taken a hankering to digging and has dug a nice foot deep, DL> two foot long trench in the back yard. Digging is usually because of boredom. Go out in the yard and get down on all 4's and look at the yard from the dog's point of view. Are there any toys? Anything to play with? Is he out there all alone? Add these together and you most likely will get shell craters. You may have to train your kids a bit, too. When they run and squeal they are acting like 'prey' and the dog will treat them as such. --- FLAME v1.1 * Origin: Chas Co Sheriff's Ofc wants *YOU*! Call 803-554-2498 (1:372/911) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 121 DOGS Ref: F2D00006 Date: 02/08/98 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 08:45am \/To: PATRICK E. SNYDER (Read 0 times) Subj: New Puppy? -> have taken to calling her a 'Rototiller'. They say 'Rottweiler'? -> Nope! ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! 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