--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4M00007Date: 04/16/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 11:38pm \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: no more from me CM> SB> And, while we are on it, explain to me, in detail, how the Indian > SB> nations will be able to survive as nations, without having their > SB> current land and economic base stolen from them, during this constant > SB> process of re-creating the government and the laws every few days. CM> I do not wish to take from anyone only let them have there own > control over there lands and money . In effect are you saying > these things would vanish with out the IRS or Federal Reserve? > I don't believe so! It is the US goverment who has stolden the > land and money from these people, I am at peace with them I > take nothing . We the people are no longer the Goverment we are > now slaves of it , we don't contol it,it controls us . It has > become a all knowing all seeing mother and father this is too much. OK, maybe *you* are willing to let my people live unmolested on their rezes. But many businesses and industries want my people's land. Many rezes have vauable mineral deposits, or timber, or other things that some people want. Treaties give some nations fishing or hunting rights not given to others. If the law fails to uphold those rights, people who want the minerals or the lands or the rights, will simply move in and take them. If you are going to take away the power of the central government, how are you going to protect the Indian nations from unscrupilous individuals and corporations? Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I'm not ashamed of my bare-bottomed beginnings - Loren --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4M00008Date: 04/16/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 11:38pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: What Are We? Part 1 JK>Even before that the Vikings came up the St. Lawrence and across the >top of the U.S. Their wanderings have been documented by those who >sought out the places where they have left their mark long ago. This I've heard rumors that the Irish were over here even before the Vikings. I've even heard rumors the Indians were here before the Irish. (g) Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a A house without books is like a room without windows. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4M00009Date: 04/16/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 11:38pm \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: no more from me > I dissagree > with the idea of people being a slave to the goverment rather > than a active part of it . This is all I say! How are you, personally, playing an active role in your current government? And at what level (local, state, federal)? CM> New laws are passed daily,that you did not vote for and nor did > you vote for your elected offical to pass them because I am sure > there are laws being written you have know forehand kmowledge of > and these laws take freedom away form you . Case in point : no > clild under the age of 16 shall ride a bycycle in the state of GA. > unless the are waring a helmet. Sounds like a good law to me if you > make the helemts :) Though I am not opposed to good public safty > laws, the people were never ask to vote. That's the law in New Jersey, too. I approve of the law. Are you aware of how many thousands of kids are killed or seriously brain damaged every year because of not wearing a helmet? Mario has brought home lots of stats on that for me to read, and we enforced helmets on our kids (and on us, too) *before* it was a law here. It probably saved my son, Robert's, life at one time. He was doing some stunt riding one time. Well, he did stunt riding a lot. He was trying to fly between ramps when his bicycle flipped; and he was thrown. He landed smack on his head so hard it cracked the bicycle helmet. He walked away uninjured. He would not have been uninjured if he had not had that helmet on. Until it became law here, Robert and Christine were the only kids in the neighborhood wearing helmets. Even parents who knew the stats on injuries didn't bother enforcing the helmet rule over their kids squeals of "but nobody else does it, and it'll make me look like a nerd." Now that the parents will get fined if their kids don't wear helmets, everybody wears them. By the way, after Robert landed on his head and cracked the helmet, he never again complained about wearing a helmet. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4M00010Date: 04/16/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 11:38pm \/To: LORRAINE PHILLIPS (Read 0 times) Subj: WHAT ARE WE? PART 1 LP>Uh, well, Sister Theresa... I've read an account of the day-to-day >activities of Sister Theresa and her nuns, written by a man who'd had a >lot of contact with her and who seemed to have no particular axe to >grind. Now I can't find the article and can't remember if he was an aid >worker himself or a journalist. If you find the article, or remember the person's name, let me know. Maybe I'll do a bit more research on her myself. It's possible that I;m wrong about Sister Theresa. I've been wrong before. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a NR> What if there were no hypothetical situations? --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00000Date: 04/17/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 10:00pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Back Hello All, Just to let you all know that my computer is back up and running as of tonight. Bill has got it set up to run DOS only as it crashed April 1st. Got a virus in system. I have missed you all. Patti and Sandra, how are things with you both? Please write as have missed our chats. God Bless, Kay z\ --- * Origin: The Door Into Summer, Rochester, NY 716-461-3971 (1:2613/229) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00001Date: 04/18/97 From: CHARLES MURRAY Time: 02:58am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: no more from me -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Charles Murray <=- SB> OK, let's say that this nation agrees to go along with your plan. If SB> you turn *all* rights over to the state, you will have effectively SB> eliminated the USA, and will have created 50+ independent countries, SB> since a government with *no* power is not really a government. Is SB> this what you want? If not, how, exactly, would you prevent this from SB> happening? And exactly what would the federal government do in this SB> new order of things? SB> Sondra seems we did just fine before the 1930 and the IRS came alongs I even seem to remember a world war....... :) ... [dogpatch@bellsouth.net] --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00002Date: 04/18/97 From: CHARLES MURRAY Time: 02:58am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Charles Murray <=- CM> SB> However, taxation *is* constitutional, Charles. SB> Charles, I believe that it would be good to reform our tax system. We SB> are not in disagreement here. I will do what is in my power to create SB> reforms, including calling and writing my congressmen, writing letters SB> to newspapers, etc. However, there are taxes you oppose that I SB> support. I am fine with taxes on ciarettes, since the use of cigarettes SB> end up costing our society money to care for the children of those who SB> are disabled or die as a result of cigarette use, and to care for those SB> who use cigarettes and become ill as a result. The smokers might as SB> well pay for what they are going to cost us. more people are kiiled driving cars and working on jobs that there are for somking !!! would you support the same taxes on diving and owning a car ? sugar and caffeine also kills maybe we should have a suger tax , or better yet how about a war tax, that seem to kill a lot of people more quickly ! hehehe! I am a smoker why don't you ban my cigarettes if you wish to be my parent and control my life style . But then if I were not your "responsibility" you could say nothing.... LIBERALISM! SB> And the fact that you and I disagree is central to the problem we are SB> having. If you and I disagree, there has to be a system to create SB> order out of the multitude of opinions out there. What governmental SB> system can you create so that there is order in the area of taxation, SB> and other laws, and yet each of the two hundred million differing views SB> on taxation and other laws in this country are given at least some sort SB> of fair hearing. How would that system deal with the inevitable SB> disgruntled people whose views would end up not being the accepted law SB> of the land? SB> Sondra SB> -*- SB> ~ SLMR 2.1a ~ A friend: someone who likes you even after they know SB> you. -!- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 SB> ! Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) ... [dogpatch@bellsouth.net] --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00003Date: 04/18/97 From: CHARLES MURRAY Time: 02:58am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: no more from me -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Charles Murray <=- SB> OK, maybe *you* are willing to let my people live unmolested on their SB> rezes. But many businesses and industries want my people's land. Many SB> rezes have vauable mineral deposits, or timber, or other things that SB> some people want. Treaties give some nations fishing or hunting rights SB> not given to others. If the law fails to uphold those rights, people SB> who want the minerals or the lands or the rights, will simply move in SB> and take them. If you are going to take away the power of the SB> central government, how are you going to protect the Indian nations SB> from unscrupilous individuals and corporations? SB> Sondra that one you can't blame on me Sondra and I refuse to take part in it at all, sorry find another fall guy it ain't me ! ... [dogpatch@bellsouth.net] --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00004Date: 04/18/97 From: CHARLES MURRAY Time: 02:58am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: no more from me -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Charles Murray <=- SB> By the way, after Robert landed on his head and cracked the helmet, he SB> never again complained about wearing a helmet. SB> Sondra if my kids had pulled stunts like that on there bikes I would have taken them away and locked them up untill they knew how to ride them safely. not trying to be nasty here, but if your kid had broken his neck that helmet would have been useless sounds like he was very lucky! I believe in personal responsibility ! ... [dogpatch@bellsouth.net] --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E4N00005Date: 04/18/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 06:45pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: No Help Today > existence? After all, spring *is* here. But I decided not to. It > really did snow on April first, folks. And that snow was, for me, a > surrealistic experience. I got to drive in the snow. Now, I've driven > in snow many times before, but I seldom venture out when the wind > is so fierce the snow is literally flying parallel to the ground. > But I had an appointment I had to keep. I drove through this grey > white maze that looked all the world like a winter snowstorm. > Except these puffs of bright yellow forsythia, pink Russian tulips > and peach blossoms, and red maple flowers kept appearing through Okay! No Snow that is all in your mind. (S) God Bless, Kay --- * Origin: The Door Into Summer, Rochester, NY 716-461-3971 (1:2613/229)