--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00011Date: 03/26/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 06:15am \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > The weather is mighty fine right now...been in the 70's and tonight we ar >scheduled for thunderboomers and strong wind. I have the windows open,a d >sleeping like a baby at night.....something about that wonderful fresh r. We have not yet had weather in the seventies. It's still dropping below freezing most nights. But the earliest spring flowers are here, and the grass has greened, and the snow is gone. Of course we really didn't get all that much snow this winter, particularly compared to the previous winter when I stopped counting after the 15th storm. I know, however, that there were more than 15 storms. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Moving a mountain begins by removing a few small stones. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00012Date: 03/26/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 06:15am \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > Too many young people have forgotten that their parents gave them the ve >essence of life, and to turn their back on them is regretful. My parents >aren't the most joyous people to be around, no were they the best of parents >but then who determines what is the best. They did the best they could with >the information they had available at the time.....so bygones are bygones. It helps to keep things in perspective when we realize we were probalby not the most joyous, or the most ideal kids to raise, either. When I realize that my own Mom had two kids while she was still a teenager, it gives me pause for thought. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a All good writing is swimming underwater -- Fitzgerald --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00013Date: 03/26/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:30pm \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: What Are We? Part 1 JK>Been popular ever since the Army was sent in to kill off women and >children or blankets given out that had smallpox in them. The first >English folks who came here managed to get along with those that they >found before them, then what I call "the others" came afterwards, folks >who were city dwellers essentially and had no connection to the earth at >all. Hmmm -- do you mean the first English folks in the US, or in Washington, got along with the natives? If you mean the US, you might want to re-read the history of Jamestown and Plymouth. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I'm not paranoid. Which of my enemies told you this? --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00014Date: 03/26/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:30pm \/To: DENNIS MARTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: bread DM>Charles, do you also remember the 25 cent per hour wage, and the great >depression? Think about this too, the stock market crash of 1929 (which Someone I know made a similar statement about ecomonics recently. He had been talking to his son about the cost of gas. He said, "I remember when gas cost 35 cents a gallon. The son asked him, "How much did you earn an hour then, Dad?" Turns out 35 cents was a higher percentage of the older man's hourly wage than the current gas price is of the younger man's, or of the older man's also, for that matter. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Flowers grow out of dark moments. Corita Kent --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00015Date: 03/26/97 From: LORRAINE PHILLIPS Time: 09:46am \/To: JANE KELLEY (Read 0 times) Subj: WHAT ARE WE? PART 1 Hi Jane. The eloquent words that you attributed to me were really from Sondra Ball... -> SB> I'm dialoguing with a person in another conference, who is going -> to post an essay to me stating his views on "the Indian problem." I -> already basically know them, however. He wants to see the government -> stop honoring *all* treaties, eliminate *all* reservations, and -> simply have "one law for all people." -> SB> I've gotten enough similar comments on the various writers and -> poetry conferences I belong to to know for certain this idea is -> fairly popular among many groups right now; and not just among some -> of the less educated groups either. I wouldn't know how to answer the arguments put forward by these people. I admire Sondra for conducting detailed debates with people with hostile attitudes. If Sondra posts the essay and her response here it'll be very illuminating. -> The first English folks who came here managed to get along with those -> that they found before them, then what I call "the others" came -> afterwards, folks who were city dwellers essentially and had no -> connection to the earth at all. I know my grandparents took their good relationship with the native Indians in their area for granted. The native Indians were good neighbours. We spoiled the neighbourhood. Attempts to 'assimilate' native Indians in Canada have failed. --- PCBoard 15.2 * Origin: 32 lines 40 Gig BBS, Realtime InterNet SLIP (403)247-7900 (1:134/10) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00016Date: 03/26/97 From: ROBIN ARNHOLD Time: 06:53pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: frustrating doctors -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Robin Arnhold <=- Hi, Sondra, SB> While I was going the route of searching for an oncologist and surgeon SB> and stuff during the initial stages of dealing with cancer, I did SB> three things to help me keep my balance in dealing with the medical SB> professional world. I wrote down all questions I could think of SB> *before* my doctor's appointments,, and refused to leave the offices SB> until all were answered. I carried a notebook with me, and took notes SB> on everything that was said. I always took a friend or relative to the SB> office with me, who was less emotionally involved, to ask any SB> questions I might miss during the conversation, to also take notes, and SB> to act as my advocate if things got rough. These are very good and sensible things to do. I especially think it is a real good idea to do the research you did. Another good thing to do is ask the pharmacist about medications the doctor has prescribed. They frequently know more than doctors about prescription drugs. One thing I always do is read the patient inserts that come with some medicines because I tend to have abnormal reactions to medicines and they contain a lot of other useful information. RA>I'm really glad to hear that. She is one of the lucky ones, since it >seems that more often that people who had a misereable childhood find >that that childhood follows them around when they're adults and creates >all kinds of problems. SB> SB> My friend went through all sorts of emotional difficulties in her late SB> teens and very early twenties, and made a number of mistakes while SB> trying to grow up. I went that road, too--a lot of people do. Luckily, most of us sooner or later from our mistakes and figure out that if we do things differently, we'll likely get a different (and hopefully better) result. SB> But her basic decisions as a child was that she SB> was OK, and she was not going to live the life her mother did. That SB> carried her through. I'm glad that it did. She is surely a better, wiser, and more compassionate person for having overcome the difficulties presented by her childhood environment. Take care, Robin --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: The Sacred Scribe, 608 827-6755 (1:121/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3W00017Date: 03/26/97 From: ROBIN ARNHOLD Time: 07:09pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Robin Arnhold <=- Hi, Sondra, >The home health up there is >really good at looking after Mom's health. It takes a lot of worry off >my mind, especially as Mom is real good at saying 'it's nothing' when it >really is something a little more serious than nothing. SB> I have developed a real respect for visiting nurses over the past SB> couple of years, as I've watched them with my mother and with my SB> friend. Yes, the ones that care for Mother are dedicated, caring people willing to work long hours and go out in impossible weather when the roads are almost impassible to visit their patients. SB> I am glad your mother's wound is healing. Thank you. The doctor is pleased with the progress it is making. He said it could have easily become badly infected. >Sure enough, the weather forecast is for snow and freezing gunk. SB> They're talking about that for us tonight, too. But, of course, SB> since SB> it's obviously spring already, it isn't going to happen. It will only SB> be a light, warm spring rain, that will bring the flowers out. Sounds good to me. I hope you got that spring rain. Here we got maybe an inch of snow on top of freezing rain. We were right on the edge of what was really a nasty storm that dropped as much as 28 inches of snow in several places. They had about 8 inches where Mother lives. Spring is definitely showing signs of arriving here in the southern part of the state, but there is still a lot of snow in the northern part. They are hoping it doesn't all melt at once or there will be flooding on several rivers that run into the Mississippi. >be a little break Friday, and I'm planning on heading back up to take >Mom >to the doctor Monday morning. Four-five years ago the cat accidentally >clawed her hand when he jumped up suddenly from her lap. I think he must >have nicked a tendon with his claw since that hand has become >increasingly deformed. Mom is finding it difficult to hold a pen to >write and she's finally decided it's time to do something about it. I'm >hoping that some physical therapy is what is needed, but we won't know >until she sees the doctor and possibly a specialist. SB> Let us know what happens. The doctor said the tendon is slipping. Apparently there is a groove in each knuckle that serves the purpose of keeping the tendon in place. Sometimes the grooves will wear down with age and a tendon will start to slip out of the groove. The doctor said that surgery is necessary to remedy the problem. He wants to see if they can get some of the fluid out of Mother's legs before he turns her over to the orthopedic surgeon. He is talking about sometime in May. Take care, Robin --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: The Sacred Scribe, 608 827-6755 (1:121/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3X00000Date: 03/27/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:12pm \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: what are we? part 1 PJ>SEEN-BY: 353/250 396/1 3615/50 51 PJ>Sondra, > You just hit a nerve.....I can't believe (well I can, but it tics me >off) that anyone would suggest that what needs to be done it to disregard al >treaties and become 'one Nation'. Seems we are slipping backwards with ny >progress we have made with human rights. Reminds me when they first started Actually, I think we are slipping back in regards to human rights. But not in the way many Republicans claim we are, as they manuever us more and more into a "protect the rich and powerful" domain. The little guy is losing out. Before King was killed, he was planning a multi-racial gathering of the poor. I think we need to re-look at his goals. >building houses in the mountains with a 'great view' for an easy mil, then h >a fit when they felt their children were threatened by the Bobcat and Mtn >Lions (and wanted to kill them off). They ran out of space and took it from I have a friend who works in the legal system in Arizona. She says that a lot of parents moved to Arizona when their kids joined gangs in San Francisco and Los Angeles, to get them into a wholesome environment. The result: the kids formed gangs in Arizona. They brought their corruption with them. >the 'natives' of the land, then complained that THEIR 'area' was being >encroached upon.....guess 'they' start with the ones that have the weakest >voice and work their way from there. (Think it's time for me to move furthe >into the woods) I'm not at all sure moving further into the woods would work this time. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a First rule of intelligent tinkering: save all parts. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3X00001Date: 03/27/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:12pm \/To: DENNIS MARTIN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Maybe you can help.. DM>I've been taking classes at a local college on Native American Heritage nd >Spirituality, but the insturctor is Tsilagi, and his wife is Delaware, so th >know little of the Northwest culture. I get real suspicious of spirituality classes. Have you, by any chance, called the Cherokee and Delaware reservations, and verified that these people are qualified to be teaching you? Have you verified their qualifications in other ways? Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3X00002Date: 03/27/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:12pm \/To: KAY NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: No Help Today KN> SB> KN>Our car die SB> Best of luck with the car. We got check > in mail that was unexpected and it was just right amount for car > battery. Praise The Lord. Great! KN>How is everything with you and family? We're doing well here. Spring is still progressing. The cherry trees are now blooming, and so are little blue flowers in the fields. I think they may be forget me nots, but I haven't stopped the car to check them out. The grass is still not at mowing stage, but I think by next weekend it may be. It will be in the sixties today and tomorrow. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Every road is rough that has no friend to cheer it. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.7 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0)