--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00018Date: 03/22/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:46pm \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: bread JC> Unfortunately, what the people _didn't_ know (or maybe they just didn't car > what havoc and devastation many of the "New Deal" programs would wreak on t > environment. Here in the Pacific Northwest we have to live with Grand Coule > Dam and its hundreds of clones everyday. I think most people really didn't know what would happen; and those who did know really didn't care. It wasn't just the enviromnent that suffered. Roosevelt wasn't real nice to Native Americans either. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00019Date: 03/22/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:46pm \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 > Sondra thinks I'm being sarcastic,but I'm being realistic! We > have to stop at some point so where is the point I ask you? I don't think you are being sarcastic, Charles. Some of the things you say I agree with, and others I actually disagree with. And when I disagree with you, I don't think you are being realistic. But that doesn't mean I think you are being sarcastic. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I am the only guinea pig I have. Buckminster Fuller --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00020Date: 03/22/97 From: DENNIS MARTIN Time: 10:31am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 SB> I also agree with the law. I'm tired of seeing children buying SB> cigarettes at the local mom and pop store. I would also support it in SB> the case of buying liquor. I'm also tired of children buying alcohol at SB> the state stores, although that happens a whole lot less than the buying SB> of cigarettes. There *is* usually some sort of control there. SB> SB> After all, both alcohol and nicotine *are* life threatening, and SB> behavior altering, drugs. I am in complete agreement with you. The sale of addicting, behavior ltering drugs should be closely regulated. Dennis Martin --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 (1:202/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00021Date: 03/22/97 From: DENNIS MARTIN Time: 10:40am \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: bread CM> Yeah Karolina , bet here is the kicker! All of the taxes we now CM> are paying did not come about untill the 1930's ............... CM> Go back and read a little history and you'll find inflation and CM> all this other stuff was non-existent . Remember the 3 cent stamp? Charles, do you also remember the 25 cent per hour wage, and the great depression? Think about this too, the stock market crash of 1929 (which triggered the Great Deression) was only 13%. Half that now is an average swing on the stock market today. Many of the things you take for granted now, came about because of the economic expansion of the 1950's, and has been paid for by these taxes, (like the R&D in Medicine, nutrition, etc.). We can always look back and long for the better times, but what price are we willing to pay to get them back? Would you give up your car, or house, to return to the 1920's tax status? Would you prefer to drive from work to school on city streets, many of which would not even be paved? Or would you walk in the snow and rain as most would have to in the winter months? Dennis Martin --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 (1:202/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00022Date: 03/22/97 From: DENNIS MARTIN Time: 10:51am \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 CM> -=> Quoting Dennis Martin to Charles Murray <=- CM> CM> CM> JC> Does that mean Carter _reduced_ the number of government workers CM> CM> JC> Chattanooga and that's why there are so few government workers in CM> CM> JC> Tennessee? And can you tell me what Carter's programs were that CM> caused CM> CM> JC> Chattanooga to no longer be the ninth industrial city? And what i CM> CM> JC> Chattanooga doing about economic recovery? Carter hasn't been n CM> power CM> CM> JC> for a long time. CM> CM> JC> Jim CM> CM> CM> CM> it was in reality all about a non war based economy . CM> CM> DM> Ah yes Charles, the age old problem of what to do with the armongers CM> DM> in a peacetime economy? CM> CM> DM> I too live in a city that has been devistated by this peacetime CM> DM> economy. But we are rebounding quite nicely, with more govt. CM> DM> restriction on industry than in most states, by encouraging biotech CM> DM> companies to locate here. Research libraries, a friendly climate, an CM> DM> a stable workforce of well trained workers makes for a positive CM> DM> business environment. Maybe Tennessee should try it. CM> CM> CM> Oh , we have also recoved quite well , this was not the mail point CM> of the topic . Tell me Charles, what was the main point of the topic? Excessive gov't workers laid off from their jobs? That's a problem in ever industry when it downsizes. The answer there would problably be retraining, (or in many case of government employees, training) in new job skills for the future. Where we are losing jobs, is in the industrial sector where people made money to buy goods from markters. In the new economic model, the workers are marketers, so we have marketers buying goods from marketers, and everyone has to have their "profit margin" which leads into spiraling inflation. Dennis Martin --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 (1:202/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00023Date: 03/22/97 From: DENNIS MARTIN Time: 10:59am \/To: CHARLES MURRAY (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 CM> CM> My point Jim they are un-constitutional, where as the state passe CM> CM> a law and the constitution dose not defend or up hold . I could u CM> CM> another law , how about you have to show ID to but tobacco unless CM> CM> you are over 26... but the law for legally buying tobacco is 18 y CM> CM> of age . CM> CM> DM> Charles, the intent of that law is to keep businesses from CM> DM> "unknowlingly" selling tobacco to minors wbo "look like they're 18." CM> DM> By mandating ID checks for people who don't appear to be over 26-27 CM> DM> years of age, then the older looking 16-17 year olds won't be able to CM> DM> sneak by. CM> DM> (I'd also support the same ID check responsibility for the purchase of CM> DM> Alcohol by anyone under the age of 30.) CM> DM> CM> DM> BTW: In the past, with only voluntary controls, the only time people CM> DM> checked ID's for minimum age purchases such as alcohol and tobacco, CM> DM> checked ID's for minimum age purchases such as alcohol and tobacco, CM> DM> was when their sales license was on probation for selling to minors. CM> DM> One time when I was checking ID's at a local bar, we had to check CM> DM> everyone, (I carded and 80 year old woman, and boy was she CM> DM> pleased.)). CM> DM> -!- GEcho 1.00 CM> DM> ! Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 1:202/810) CM> CM> I support put goverment controles on everthing and outlawing any and CM> all personal/provate rights or responsiblities ... Sounds like we re CM> in total agreement! ???????? Charles, how can you in the first quote, be opposed to congressional ntrusion into the lives of the people, and in the last one, be in favor of it? Are ou running for office here? If you're being cynical here, then and some type of symbol to show it. I'm not in favor of all the laws either the Federal Congress, State Legislators, or even my Municipal Councils make, but I live within their guidelines when ever possible. Remember the words of Cheif Joseph (Tool-Hool-Smool-Moot): "Let me be a free man, and I will obey every law, or submit to the penelty." Dennis Martin --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 (1:202/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3S00024Date: 03/22/97 From: DENNIS MARTIN Time: 11:05am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Maybe you can help.. Jim, I see by the board designation that you are in Oregon. Maybe you can give me some free advice on an idea I have. I was born in Coos Bay, and would like to get some info on the Oregon Costal Natives of that area. Do you know off hand of anywhere that I could get some info. The reason is that I would like to study and learn about the Native People where I was born. (We moved to SoCal when I was 2, and I was raised here.) Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give. Dennis Martin --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: No Such Luck BBS, San Diego, CA. (619)583-5379 (1:202/810) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3T00000Date: 03/22/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 05:19pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Happy Easter to all An Easter Prayer by Helen Steiner Rice God, give us eyes to see the beauty of the Spring, And to behold Your majesty in every living thing--- And may we see in lacy leaves and every budding flower The Hand that rules the universe with gentleness and power-- And may this Easter grandeur that Spring lavishly imparts Awaken faded flowers of faith lying dormant in our hearts, And give us ears to hear, dear God, the Springtime song of birds With message more meaningful than man's often-empty words Telling harried human beings who are lost in dark despair-- "Be like us and do not worry for God has you in His care." Happy Easter to all our friends here. God Bless All, Kay and Bill ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- KWNEWMAN@juno.com --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place -- Rochester, NY (1:2613/403.5) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3T00001Date: 03/23/97 From: FOXY FERGUSON Time: 09:19pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello SB>We are about to enter the forsythia stage here. I mean in SB>reality, not just in my dreams. SB>We are about two weeks from the whole riot of colors, I think. You're probably about right... we're nearly a month into it, down here in the south. Later, Foxy * OLX 2.1 * P.O. Box 87 Kingston Springs TN 37082 --- GEcho 1.00 * Origin: (1:116/210) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3U00000Date: 03/23/97 From: PATTI JONES Time: 08:27pm \/To: ROBIN ARNHOLD (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello Robin, Too many young people have forgotten that their parents gave them the very essence of life, and to turn their back on them is regretful. My parents aren't the most joyous people to be around, no were they the best of parents, but then who determines what is the best. They did the best they could with the information they had available at the time.....so bygones are bygones. Glad to know your Mom is doing better all the time....sounds to me like she has a good doctor to care for her, and a daughter that is there to keep watch. Patti --- * Origin: The Wolf's Den in Kansas City (816) 361-7670 (1:280/76)