--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3F00008Date: 03/08/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:56pm \/To: CHARLES TESTERMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Licenses CT>The constitution here is meant to limit government. In closing I would I thought the constitution was meant to define the government. It was written after it became quite clear that the Articles of Confederation (the original governmental paper) was not working, because they placed too severe a limitation on what government could do. As a matter of fact, it is the amendments to the constitution much more than the original constitution that limits the power of government. The original constitution, as I'm sure you recall, didn't even provide for freedom of speech or freedom of religion. Both of those freedoms were granted by amendments. And the only people who could vote under the original constitution were free white men over the age of 21 who owned property. Indians were not even to be counted in the censuses. Slaves were only partly human, according to the original constitution, since each slave could only be counted as a fraction of a person. But I'm sure you knew all that already, and that you have read the entire constitution several times, which is why you are speaking about it so authoritatively. By the way, I *have* read the constitution several times. However, I am still *not* a constitutional lawyer, and I am *not* an authority on it. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Full body armor required prior to entry in this echo. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3F00009Date: 03/10/97 From: WENDEL KURZ Time: 08:03pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Flute Songs Hi Sondra, To answear your ???, yes I do play the flute as a matter of fact if you go to the file area Native American's(there are two of them check both).You will find a few of my songs on there Download them and tell me what you think. I plan on Uploading more when I'm finished recording them. I also do Art work which I plan on also uploading soon.You see I have my own business doing Native American Craft's at home so if there is something you would like let me know and I'll send you a catolog or send u a message with all the info and prices. --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Wizards Realm BBS 1-713-946-7315 1:106/7315 (1:106/7315) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3F00010Date: 03/10/97 From: WENDEL KURZ Time: 11:41pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: test message This is a test message no reply needed. --- T.A.G. 2.7c Standard * Origin: The Wizards Realm BBS 1-713-946-7315 1:106/7315 (1:106/7315) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00000Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > Sprig is truely on it's way. We will have 60 and 70 degree days oming >very soon. It will be nice for a change not to be paying high heationg >bills.....at least for a few months windows can be opened and fresh air an >again blow through the house. Guess that's the one thing I miss the most >about not being in Calif anymore. I rarely get to open the windows during t >winter or summer months for some good old fashioned fresh air !! We keep our windows closed during the winter. But, since we are without air conditioning, they stay open all summer. We *do* have fans, however, so it isn't really all that bad. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Unity is plural - Buckminster Fuller --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00001Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > This week I'm more tired than usual....think it has to do with the >breathing of paint, and carpet fumes at both my F/T and P/T job since both >moved last week. There's still drywall dust lingering along with the est. >have been diligent in taking antioxidants hopefully to counteract some of th >stuff that I'm breathing. Everyone else that I have been around has had the >flu, so I'm trying to keep my immunity up so I don't get it. If you do get the cold or the flu, you might want to remember an Isreali remedy. And no, I'm *not* talking about chicken soup this time. The Isrealite government hired some medical personnel to come up with a remedy for colds and flus that they could use in their military to shorten the length of the illnesses, especially in their air force pilots. They came up with a formula that is sold in health food stores in this country (and used all the time in their military). It's sold here as sambucol-C, and contains, among other things, elderberry bark. I've tried it. It seemed to work for me. It is not, however, approved by the FDA; and so I am, of course, only mentioning it in passing, and not recommending it. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Babylon 5: Our last, best hope for TV SF --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00002Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: LORRAINE PHILLIPS (Read 0 times) Subj: WHAT ARE WE? PART 1 LP>I was given a tour of the local remand centre and I was very relieved >when I got out of the building. My idea in going there was to see the >drunk tank because we'd sometimes get calls at the poison centre where I >worked about people in the drunk tank who seemed to be more than merely >drunk. I always felt that sense of relief too. I was in Graterford for most of an entire day one time, talking with lifers. The air smlled so sweet when I finally left there. LP>The YWCA was across the street and I was told that male prisoners would >yell 'show us your tits' (can I say that on Fidonet?) and some women >would stand at the YWCA windows and oblige them. Ah, romance! There are women who marry those guys, too, you know. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a You never know how deep a puddle is until you step in it. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00003Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 JC> Well, Charles keeps insisting that he is a "criminal". To my way of thinkin > that implies that he has been convicted of some kind of crime and has een > incarcerated. One could also wind up in jail after being _charged_ with a > crime, but not ever convicted. In which case, that non-convicted person s > technically not a criminal. Neither Charles nor I clarified it as to why we > were in jail. (And as you say, it could even have been a visit. My wife has > been "in jail" more than once having toured corrections facilities.) I've known enough people who have been in jail, after being convicted of crimes, and who have turned into very worthwhile people, that I don't hold the mere act of having been incarcerated against anyone. I've also known people who have been incarcerated as kids for crimes they would never have been incarcerated for if they had not been a member of a minority group and poor. Like the 18 year old with no criminal record who went to jail for stealing a pack of cigarettes. He was a poor Indian. There was probably a connection. JC> IMHO, Charles is "stretching" the point when he equates being a criminal" > to not wearing a seatbelt. I have never heard of anyone around here going > to jail for that. (If they get stopped by a law enforcement officer and > hassle the officer they are probably going to wind up in jail charged ith > "hassling" NOT "not wearing". If they get a citation for "not wearing" nd > refuse to pay the fine, they are probably charged with "contempt of ourt" > or some such thing, not "not wearing a seatbelt". Grin! They don't incarcerate people here for not wearing seat belts either. As matter of fact, in every application I've seen that asks, "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?", they add a statement saying that they don't mean traffic violations. JC> That's the feeling jail _should_ impart on everyone, but obviously doesn't. For some people, it's merely a rite of pasage. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I know so little, but I know it fluently. Robert McKay --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00004Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: capsules of plastic JC> Jim (who is about to go "underground" until Finals are over) Good luck on your finals! Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Is that light being shed or smoke being spread? --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00005Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: KAY NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: prayers still coming >Today I got application from school district where we live I had >sent a resume to them earlier. I have filled out application and >will mail it in morning. Wish me luck. Best of luck! I'll be praying for you. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a There is no death, only a change of worlds. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3G00006Date: 03/10/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Nez Perce JC> I guess I'd have to know more about how the Pennsylvania government decided > that. But... The state of Oregon doesn't "officially" recognize Kalapuya, > Molalla, Atafalti, (and a few others) as anyone that can claim to have > ancestral tribes to those peoples are considered part of the Confederated > Tribes of the Grand Ronde Community of Oregon." Same way with the Siletz an > the Warm Springs. They may have descendants of otherwise "extinct" native > peoples that's just not the "official" designation. I don't really know the whole story. After all, I live in new Jersey. (g) But I have a lenapi friend who was pretty angry about it. They may, however, mean that there is no officially recognized Lenapi nation there, and that is true. JC> I know a lady who is Klickitat. Member of the Grand Ronde Community. (In > Washington, original home of the Klickitat, they are part of the Yakama.) > Doesn't stop her from being Klickitat. I know some-one who is Shinnecock. They're not officially recognized by anyone. Officially they are extinct. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Hew not too high lest the chips fall in your eyes. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0)