--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00011Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > They said today since the freak snow storm that we had in Oct was on he >10th day of the new moon, then we would have 10 heavy snowfalls before sprin >comes. This one the other day was the tenth one, so in therory winter is >over. Now if you believe that, then I also have a bridge to sell ya'. >Tomorrow we are to have thunderboomers, so it should be interesting hading >out to Columbia . I hope the calculations about 10 snow storms were correct, and spring is now settled into your area. I'm convinced it's here, despite the sleet and ice and other whitish stuff that fell two days ago. I've seen crocuses growing in my lawn. I've seen a robin. The buds are softening on some of the trees. > Let me know what the wildflower is if you finally figure it out. I DID >finally see a Robin this morning when I went out for the paper...so who know >maybe it is spring and we weren't told about it. I can't find my wildflower book to discover what it is. I think Rob must have borrowed it. If he did borrow it, and it's in his room, I might find it when he goes to college. (g) There are days when I literally cannot see the floor in his room. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Dream for a while of things that make you smile. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00012Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello > I think this is the point which I need to colapse with the heating pad at >my feet........last night classroom where a disater, and today the movers >didn't show up until they were 4 hours late with possibility of rain well on >its way. So four of us gals moved everything but three heavy objects. At o >point, I said "I NEED A BEER". The owner / boss did one better, he went out >and got us a bottle of expensive champagne. We celebrated our moving into a >new office space, and doing it in record time. The business has only been i >operation for 6 weeks, and already, we have outgrown the place we were in. >Needless to say, after the champagne I was ready to curl up in the corner an >take a nap. Got home, and now am headed for the shower, and then straight t >bed.....oh well, so much for Friday night. Well, at least the moving got done *before* the rain hit, even if you guys had to do it. It sounds like you've gotten into a really good employment situation this time. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Many a proposition has ended in a sentence. Louise Hagan --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00013Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: capsules of plastic JC> Article in today's paper about an organization that is studying "white > culture". The white psychologist heading up the group is a diversity > consultant for businesses and is married to a black woman. The group is > called the Center for the Study of White American Culture. Where is it > located you ask? Roselle, New Jersey. And they have a website but the URL > was not given in the article. Fascinating! I will need to look it up. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Often the test of courage is not to die but to live. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00014Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 2 JC> KS> I think it's interesting how two people from the same family can be > KS> so different. JC> Well, there are four children in my family and we are all different in ur > "culture" in some ways. That's true, to some extent, in my family too. We all ended up responding very differently to similar circumstances. I ended up a poet, and a published writer. I have a younger brother who does lovely art work, but won't show it or sell it at all. Only his close friends and family know about it. I don't know whether he's afraid of failure, whether he really just doesn't want to be bothered with the business aspect of it, or what. He's a truck driver; and, for most people, I suspect that's all he is. I am a talker; he's a quiet, unassuming person. Yet we're less than two years apart in age, so our life circumstances really hit us at about the same time in our development. The other siblings also took their own paths. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Some people dream of great things: some people do them. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00015Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: what are we? part 1 Jim Casto and Charles Murray have been talking: JC> CM> I thank you, I pay my fair share.... but I dissagee and that > CM> makes me bad because people have been tricked,fooled and > CM> brainwashed into just the same lingo your using now. JC> Are you in jail? Have you ever been in jail? That's an interesting question to ask a person. I sat here and realized that I would have to answer that question with both a yes and a no. I've never been incarcerated. But I've spent time in a few prisons talking to prisoners and guards. Even knowing I was getting out in a few hours, there was always something sobering about the clanging of those doors behind me. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Every darkened star should be rekindled. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00016Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Cowlitz Gain Recognition JC> It took nearly twenty years, but it appears that the Cowlitz of ashington > State will finally gain federal recognition. There only remains a 180-day > comment period which ends in August at which time the Interior Department > will make its final ruling. Great! Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00017Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 10:31am \/To: JIM CASTO (Read 0 times) Subj: Cowlitz Gain Recognition JC> One and a half million dollars was awarded the Cowlitz in the 1970s but the > a federal agnecy refused to pay a "non-existent" tribe. That money has ow > grown to ten million dollars today. There are one thousand five hundred > Cowlitz and they own seventeen acres. The BIA still has that money??!!!! Or maybe it was placed in the hands of another agency? Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a If you try to be too sharp, you will cut yourself. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00018Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:17pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: capsules of plastic KS> I just hope I learn to "get" it. Not enough laughter in the world. > Is the d.c. an amalgam of individuals of many different tribes? And > is it ok for a non n.a. to say "tribes"? (I really *have* lived a > sheltered and uneducated life. Sigh.....) I guess the DC is close to being *white american* culture, but I don't think all whites belong there. And many non-whites do. But it's backbone is European immigrants and their descendents. As a matter of fact, its backbone is probably western European immigrants and their descendents. KS> So... what I got from this is that I'll have > to figure out for myself what the d.c. is. :) Perhaps, then, a part > of what the d.c. is, is that it is more "new" fashioned and non- > traditionalist? Perhaps by one definition it has been "washed down", > and, by another definition it might be considered "forward thinking", > with each side believing they are correct? The DC is what most of the people in this country tend to believe. It is the culture of the *average Joe* American. KS> If it's too early for me to even be asking these questions, let me > know and I'll try to figure it out by listening. :) It's never too early to ask questions, as long as the questions are sincere. KS> I don't understand what you mean by "a different concept of history". I do not believe that God ordained the white Americans to steal all the land from the Indians from the Atlantic coast to the Pacific coast, for example. The correct term for that, by the way, is "manifest destiny", and it is taught in many history books. I don't think of Custer as a hero. I know that most Indians lived on farms and in towns when the white man came over, and were not nomadic. I know there were Indians who were not only literate; they had libraries that rivaled the libraries of Europe. The Spaniards took great pride in burning those libraries to the ground. Many kids in the DC are taught about manifest destiny, that Indians were nomadic, and that we were all pre-literate. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a NR> I tried hard to contain myself, but I escaped! --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00019Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:17pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: I Dance all Night KS> I've been away the weekend. Good grief, Sondra! I live in > Mickleton. I've *biked* down to Parvin State Park in Elmer and back. > We must live close. I know where Mickleton is. I have friends and acquaintences there -- several, as a matter of fact. If you live in Mickleton, you probably know, or know of, Emma Engle. She's the 90 year old lady who has the East Greenwich library in her house (on King's Higway), and who goes to Scotland just about every summer. A wonderful lady! If you've never met her, you should sometime. This lady knows more history and more local color, probably, than anybody else in the whole world. KS> SB> I can drop you off a copy at > SB> your workplace if you let me know where it is. KS> Nuts! I missed Sondra's Sunday paper run. :( I don't think you want > to go to DE to deliver a paper (or a poem). I'm working in DE. I do almost all my shopping in Delaware. It's closer than most places in New Jersey. Both the Christiana Mall and the Concord Mall are in easy shopping distance, as is that chain of stores down near the airport, and, of course, the two Borders Book Stores. Though it's hard going into them these days. I used to love to hunker down at a table at lunch time with a couple of good books to scan (will I buy them? Will I not?) and drink a glass of their blackberry guava soda and eat their spinach quiche. Both blackberry guava soda and spinach quiche are off my low fat low sugar diet. > 'Course DE might be closer to you than Mickleton, depending on where > you live. Hey - for a copy of that poem in print, I'd be willing > to pick it up myself at your place. Then again, we could meet at > Richman's in Sharptown on 40? You know the place with the cow out Richman's would be fine; so would a restaurant in Delaware, for that matter. I know my way around northern Delaware fairly well, and if we met during the work day, that would almost certainly be easier for you. KS> How come you mention that to me? Haven't written much poetry. > Like writing, for me it's something that happens or it doesn't. I don't > seem to have much say in the matter. I'm intrigued and will take this > information under advisement. Hey, just because you haven't gotten serious about your writing yet doesn't mean you won't! Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a GK> Write a story of 125,000+ words? What a novel idea! --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3A00020Date: 03/05/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 09:18pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Off Topic KS>I miss the "Bardies" something fierce. How long do you think I >should wait before I ask El Sysop or his cohort the status of >arrangements for that additional conference? (wearin' my cryin' towel) KS>I don't want to pester either of them, so I pick on you instead. >All you can do is toss me out of here - they might toss me off >the board. (g) I figure you've gone through this "adding >conferences" business before and might be able to clue me in >as to how long something like this could reasonably take..... It depends entirely on your SYSOP. The Sysop I get this conference through (Jim Barchuk) is very reliable, and he has always added conferences in a couple of days. Dave Neimeyer, who called me up to offer me access to RIME conferences through his board when Rick's board closed, dropped me a note a couple of days ago to tell me there was a limited access conference I absolutely had to join (on account of being a co-host on poetry). I said, "fine!"; and the next download I was on it. On the other hand, it took one sysop I know of three months to add a conference, and he only did it after the host of Poetry complained to the administrative head who yelled at the sysop. So it really does all depend. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Nearer, my God, to thee ... Sarah Adams --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0)