--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2X00014Date: 02/26/97 From: CHARLES MURRAY Time: 09:11am \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: what are we? part 1 -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Charles Murray <=- CM> Nothing wrong with good laws , just don't pass a law and hide it > under the idea people need to be taxed to death . If people payed > less taxes they would have more money to spend and but thus it would > create more new jobs,less crime ,better education etc....... SB> Maybe it would create new jobs, less crime, etc. Or maybe it SB> wouldn't. But did you know that no nation, so far as I know, has ever SB> been listed as falling because of how much money they spent on social SB> programs, although I suppose a case could be argued for Rome and their SB> death games. A number of nations *have* fallen because of the amount of SB> money they spent on the military. Yet whenever I hear you talking of SB> cutting programs, I hear you talking about social programs and not the SB> military. I wonder why. SB> Also, if you ever get put in one of those camps, it will be done to SB> you by the military, and not by the recipients of medicaid. **************************************************************** Hay I get medicare and medicaid and pay for it too 70 dollars a month I draw about 540 we can talk about that let's talk about tennessees socialized medical setup , gate keepers and care givers while you dying in the er and they ar fighting over your blue card this is tuchy and I'd rather not get rilled-up but you can bet you last dollar I know and I lost my doctor because of all this crap too . I don't get any theropy anymore ... they cut that and I'm not alone but my taxes did not drop one penny . ***************************************************************** There is nothing wrong with tax dollars being spent to promte the wellfair of the people ,* education and medical aid for the sick I don't dissagree with these taxes it's the others that they use to extort us with . I thought I had made this clear, but I guess not. Show me why I a 43 year old male should be forced to ware a setbelt , show me what moral law I have broken or why it makes me a criminal to society . do you now how many times a loaf of bread is taxed hefore you eat it ? add them up starting with the seeds the land used to grow the wheat and farmer who bought the seed and sold the wheat, the grainery, the baker,the deliveryman, come on please tax tax tax and you pay a buck 25 for a dollars worth of taxes . I'm being realistc are you ?(*food for the hungry etc.) Charles start talking about taxation with out representation and your speaking a foreign language . Hello is anyone awake here !!! ... [dogpatch@bellsouth.net] --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: River Canyon Rd. BBS Chattanooga, Tn (1:362/627) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100000Date: 02/28/97 From: ALECIA DARIN Time: 12:14pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Graduated Today On 23 Feb 97 21:05:08, Sondra Ball babbled: [SB] AD>What do you mean by if I decide to however......hehehehehe are you [SB] tring [SB] >to get me into trouble or something LOL! [SB] [SB] Or something! (g) [SB] [SB] Sondra Ok Sondra! Really Cute :) Now what is the SOMETHING ..... ROFL!!! --- NorthStar 3.00 * Origin: The Christmas Star (1:285/82.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100001Date: 02/27/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 03:06pm \/To: PATTI JONES (Read 0 times) Subj: Where are you? Hi PAtti, PJ> Sorry babe, nice weather is on its way.....by next week you'll be PJ> wishing I lived closer just so you could give me a hug So you are one that sent this high wind we are getting today. You can have them back! Now I will keep the sunshine and 63 degrees. We got rain earlier but sun came out after. Saw a flock of Canadian Geese go over this morning. Saw them ahead of winds. The robins are starting come back too. (S) Maybe early spring. Sure would be nice. PJ> I have been working massive hours. Now don't over due and get sick. You know you should eat a well balanced meal. (Didn't your mother teach you that? (S)) PJ> This past weekend I went to my Aunt and Uncle's house to collect PJ> some of the stuff. I had actually asked to buy estate> a small china cupboard, and ended up coming home with another PJ> chest of drawers / buffet that was hand made and hand painted like tole painting>. I didn't really have a use for the chest until PJ> about half way home and started looking at it in the rearview mirror PJ> and relizing that it would go well with the colors in my living room. PJ> When I stopped and took a look at the ropes to be certain that it was PJ> still secure, I fell in love with the piece, and knew exactly where I PJ> was going to put it in the house. I am glad you can use all as chest sounds lovely. PJ> Meanwhile I'm again burning the candle at both ends, but I'm PJ> enjoying what I'm doing and at least have the weekends off for once in PJ> my life. Glad you love what you are doing and have your week-ends free. Did your room mate move out? How is Mike's mother doing? Have you been to farm lately? PJ> Hope you guys are doing well and looking forward to warmer temps PJ> and lower heating bills. We got our eviction papers have to go social services Monday morning. We did get medicaid and food stamps. We graduated yesthday from module I in computer and got our certicate. We start module II on Monday for two weeks. We are busy sending out resumes. Nothing yet! God Bless, Kay ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100002Date: 02/27/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 03:33pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: No Help Today Hi Sondra, SB> If you do get evicted, would your church be willing to store some of SB> your possessions? Are there church people who might take you in for a SB> while? I am sure our pastor would help us out or a couple of church members. Today we went looking at a couple of places that rent to people that are on social services. If they won't let us stay here. Will let you know. God Bless, Kay ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100003Date: 02/28/97 From: DOUG CARTER Time: 03:06pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Hello Hi Sondra... -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Doug Carter <=- SB> heard of a coffee drinker dying from a cold, particularly while SB> drinking a cup of caffinated coffee? (VBG) Now, I'm not at all sure SB> de-caf would work as well. It is just possible that someone *has* died SB> while drinking a cup of decaffinated coffee. (g) I certainly don't doubt that drinking COLD DECAF could kill one, outright... Drinkably warm, you just might survive... to regret it. Personal favourite is the IRISH cure... alcohol kills germs, germs cause colds, therefore you raise the alcohol level in the body... RYE WHISKY of course... Even if the cold isn't cured outright... WHO CARES! ... This stance doesn't condone overdoing it of course... just a wee sip now and again... purely medicinal purposes to be sure... Talk about ethnic 'traditional' medicine cures... Darn winter seems to be returning to the Okanagan... last gasp I hope... my old stomping grounds in Ontario seems to be getting a bash of wind currently... haven't heard what Patti's area is getting next, or the Eastern US and/or Canada... Doug ... (A)bort, (R)etry, or (I)nfluence with hammer. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: A Place Between Time and Space...The Continuum BBS (1:353/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100004Date: 02/28/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:39pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: I Dance all Night KS> Omigosh! I'm talking to a *published* author! What magazine? Where? > Where can I get a copy?! I mean BUY a copy! I *am* a published author. I've even ghosted books (published under someone else's name). And I've had some things published under my own name too, although not books. But this particular poem was published in a small local (Salem, Gloucester, Cumberland Counties) not for sale newsletter. I get the impression you live somewhere within fifty miles of me, probably less than 25 miles away. I can drop you off a copy at your workplace if you let me know where it is. Maybe not tomorrow, but when I'm up in that area. I say "up in that area", because I *know* you're north of me. Almost everyone in New Jersey lives north of me. By the way, if you live near Woodbury, there's a poet's group that meets there the last Friday of every month. You might want to join them. I am friends with the head of the group. I've never personally gone to it, however. I keep *intending* to, but my life stays so busy that I just haven't been able to fit a new thing like that into my schedule. It's a long standing group -- been meeting for years now. They read their poetry to each other. The person who started it assures me that everyone is very gentle in their critiques of each other's poetry. KS> Spring = birth = mother? I must say that mother and child is one > connection that did not come to my mind. Every so often I see > illustrations that don't seem to connect with the material - sometimes > for a short story, or a children's book. In those cases I get the > impression that the material wasn't read. The artist who did the drawings is a personal friend of mine. I know she read the poem. I just haven't asked her about it yet. The artist, by the way, is Narcissa Voluntad Weatherbee. Since you are a South Jerseyite, too; you might know of her. Although she's also known in wider circles than South Jersey. She's in Arizona right now leading some workshops on drawing. She's had her works featured in some national magazines; and she's sold a lot of oils and stuff. She's really, really good. Her child lives on the west coast and is also earning a living as an artist. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a Is a "meter maid" a female poet? --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100005Date: 02/28/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:39pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Surprises > SB> I am *always*, however, a Cherokee princess, KS> Your attempt at confusing the brain dead has been successful. > Attempts to undo it, will probably make matters worse. I think the time has come for me to repost my story that explains how I became a legitimate Cherokee princess. CD Jeppensen posted the following on the RIME writers' conference. I thought I would share it with you folks -- and then respond to it. (G) "The Sunday Arizona Republic 10/30/94 had a front page story headlined "Casinos luring non-Indians to tribes." It starts out: "Native American tribes have always attracted a certain number of "wannabe" Indians seeking spiritual fulfillment." "Now come those in search of more-worldly fulfillment: Money." According to the article, nation-wide, the 91 tribes with gambling take in $2.3 billion annually. The Ft. McDowell Apaches, with 851 members, put part of their profits in their tribal fund and distribute $30,000.00 to each member annually. Their casino is about 25 miles from downtown Phoenix. They get several thousand calls each year from people trying to join the tribe." MY REALLY TRULY TRUE LIFE STORY by Sondra Ball I learned something yesterday that may come as a surprise to all of you here: I am really a Fort McDowell Apache. Yes -- you heard me right. I know you've heard me muttering something on this board about belonging to some other nation -- but last night I discovered the truth. I want you to know I'm not after the $30,000 a year that goes to each Fort McDowell Apache tribal member or anything like that. I just want to establish my credentials -- become who I really am. My mother handed me two books last night. One was wrapped in old satin and sealed with seven different seals. The other had a dusty leather cover. They had been passed down through the generations -- mother to daughter -- and had finally reached my hands. I was the generation assigned to read them. I took them to my room and slowly unsealed, unwrapped, and opened them. On their pages lay the true story of my ancestry, which I will now narrate to you. In February, 1495, shortly after the current world was created to keep Columbus from falling off the edge of the earth, Jeffrey Kills Many Bears, a valiant Apache warrior, a mighty medicine man, and the son of a noble chief, decided to go on a long journey to find the Atlantic Ocean. He had been told in a vision that he would find something of great value on his journey, and that as a result of his journey, he would one day have a descendent who would gain both great wealth and the throne of a distant land. As Jeffrey traveled over deserts, through the prairies, across the Mississippi River, and into the Appalachian Mountains (which only took a few days -- creation was still new and the Americas were still expanding), he used his great powers to create a book to keep a journal in. Because of his vast visionary ability, he was able to foresee the language his descendants would read, and so he wrote the book describing his journeys in modern English. As he entered the mountain regions of North Carolina, Jeffrey met a beautiful woman. She said her name was Laurel Laughing Waters, and that she was a Cherokee princess, and the youngest daughter of the high king of the land. Laurel invited Jeffrey to her father's tipi. After several moons, they were married. Laurel wore a long white deer skin gown to the wedding, and Jeffrey wore a brightly painted blanket woven from buffalo hair. I will not tell the entire story of their life together, which is recorded in the book wrapped in satin, and which will soon be published in its unedited form. But Laurel and Jeffrey had several children. Their youngest daughter, Robin Early Morning, inherited her father's ability to create paper and see the future. Just before Jeffrey died, he placed his book, full of small print, and wrapped in satin, in Robin's hands, admonishing her not to open it. It was to be passed, untouched, from youngest daughter to youngest daughter, until 1995, when it could at last be opened. Jeffrey also advised Robin to create another book -- which should be written in by each succeeding youngest daughter just before her death, giving a brief account of her life, so that the records would be in order when the time came for the pre-determined descendent to claim her rights. In the leather bound book, the story of one life succeeded another. Some women wrote only a few paragraphs. Some wrote many pages. They were the usual tales of human existence: tales of romance, of love, of child bearing, of growing old, of dying. Then, in 1542, the story took an unexpected turn. In that year, Sarah Golden Princess met and fell in love with a young white man. His name was Richard Stuart. He was the oldest son of King James IV of Scotland, conceived in a hidden marriage that had been covered up by the king's court when he committed bigamy and married Margaret Tudor of England. Richard and Sarah married -- and the line continued, down to the present day, and to me. Today, I took the books to a world famous archaeologist, who verified them to be real, valid, and truthful documents. My lawyer has entered the information in the proper legal places. It is clear to him, and to me, that I am both heir to the Scottish throne, and the rightful owner of the McDowell Apache casinos. I will be arriving on the reservation early next week to have the deeds transferred to my name, after which I will fly to Glasgow to assume the Scottish throne. -30- -*- SLMR 2.1a It takes both the sun and the rain to make a rainbow. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3100006Date: 02/28/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:39pm \/To: KAY NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: No Help Today KN>Today we received certificate for module I of our computer class. >We start module II on Monday for two weeks. Congradulations! Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I really didn't say everything I said. Yogi Berra --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3300000Date: 02/28/97 From: PATTI JONES Time: 06:56pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello Sondra, They said today since the freak snow storm that we had in Oct was on the 10th day of the new moon, then we would have 10 heavy snowfalls before spring comes. This one the other day was the tenth one, so in therory winter is over. Now if you believe that, then I also have a bridge to sell ya'. Tomorrow we are to have thunderboomers, so it should be interesting ehading out to Columbia . Let me know what the wildflower is if you finally figure it out. I DID finally see a Robin this morning when I went out for the paper...so who know, maybe it is spring and we weren't told about it. Patti --- * Origin: The Wolf's Den in Kansas City (816) 361-7670 (1:280/76) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E3300001Date: 02/28/97 From: PATTI JONES Time: 07:01pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello Sondra, I think this is the point which I need to colapse with the heating pad at my feet........last night classroom where a disater, and today the movers didn't show up until they were 4 hours late with possibility of rain well on its way. So four of us gals moved everything but three heavy objects. At one point, I said "I NEED A BEER". The owner / boss did one better, he went out and got us a bottle of expensive champagne. We celebrated our moving into a new office space, and doing it in record time. The business has only been in operation for 6 weeks, and already, we have outgrown the place we were in. Needless to say, after the champagne I was ready to curl up in the corner and take a nap. Got home, and now am headed for the shower, and then straight to bed.....oh well, so much for Friday night. Patti --- * Origin: The Wolf's Den in Kansas City (816) 361-7670 (1:280/76)