--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2U00029Date: 02/24/97 From: ROBIN ARNHOLD Time: 06:37pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: frustrating doctors -=> Quoting Sondra Ball to Robin Arnhold <=- Hi, Sondra, RA>I'm glad to hear he went peacefully, at home with his loved ones around >him. I recently heard that most people in this country die alone and in >pain, which makes me very glad his family had the courage to stand up >against the medical profession and save him from that fate. SB> SB> I'm glad they stood up to the medical profession too. It helped that SB> they had the strong support of several friends. I think it must be SB> much rougher for folks to stand up against the medical establishment if SB> they are feeling isolated. Doctors can be an overbearing lot. Yes, they can, and people encourage this by looking up to doctors, respecting them, and believing that every doctor knows everything there is to know about medicine. SB> I have a friend who went through an SB> absolutely awful childhood. Her father died while she was very young. SB> Her mother was an alcoholic and a prostitute. Her uncle sexually SB> abused her on a regular basis. They often had no food in the house. SB> She wore ragged clothes to school. No-one loved her or wanted her. It is so sad to hear this. SB> She SB> said the beginning of the turn around in her life came when she was SB> still a child; and was an encounter of only a few minutes. She was SB> downstairs looking for something to eat when her mother's "trick" of SB> the night before came downstairs. She was young enough, however, that SB> she hadn't quite figured out what was happening with all these men SB> passing in and out of her life. She looked up at the man, and asked, SB> "Are you going to be my father?" She said the man stopped, and looked SB> at her with a strange, and pained expression. "No," he said, "I'm SB> not." Then he stopped and talked to her for a few minutes, talked to SB> her as one might talk to a lonely child. The exchange only took a few SB> minutes, and she never saw him again. But in that dialogue she SB> realized she was a worthwhile person, and began moving towards healing. SB> She says that her memory of that man, which is a cherished memory, has SB> convinced her that even the most casual of encounters can bear great SB> significance. I get the feeling that your friend had as much influence on this man as he had on her. It sounds like he woke up and realized that what for him and the other men who visited your friend's mother had no meaning beyond relieving sexual desires was having a destructive impact on an innocent child. He must have been a decent man at heart, and I suspect your friend never saw him again because he never came back--he seems to have had a greater sense of decency and responsibility than your friend's mother. Take care, Robin --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.20 * Origin: The Sacred Scribe, 608 827-6755 (1:121/45) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00000Date: 02/24/97 From: KAROLINA STUTZMAN Time: 06:35pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: surpriss KS>Oks. Thansh for the welcomm, butewrite down ths message numbersot's >s you cantremnad yor self that you asked forbit. Whoinvmentes >s* wor*f nyhow? , I'dreather b hsomeeratingbson onps... ane why aesn's >sPCHd stopted atmyn dfor et? ,Sheesch! O.O Utterly fascinating concept, Sondra. - Btw - Am in a position to order books and I need ISBN numbers. Please... (!) Hoping that you have them available, or will be able to get them for me, let's go with the following three for starters: "Terra Nullus" - Boyce "Strangers Devour the Earth" - Chelsea Green "Short History of Indians of the United States" - Spicer Looking forward to hearing from you on this. As an afterthought, it has occurred to me that I don't have to "draw" my picture for you all at one time. I recently realized that I can write it piecemeal as any old text file. Sheesh! *You* could have thought of that, ya know. ... They also serve who only wait ... ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] --- QScan/PCB v1.19b / 01-0462 * Origin: << Don's BBS >> Stratford, NJ. USA 609-435-1663 (1:266/507) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00001Date: 02/25/97 From: ALECIA DARIN Time: 02:27pm \/To: KAY NEWMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: No Help Today On 24 Feb 97 19:50:29, Kay Newman babbled: [KN] Hello Patti, Sondra, Lorraine and All, [KN] [KN] We didn't get help today because we are not sitting on street [KN] yet. We went to social service this morning for emerency service. [KN] Also we receieve food stamps so we can't get emergency services. [KN] We do have appointment next week at 8:00a.m. on 3/3 for public [KN] assistance. Will let you know what we find out. [KN] [KN] That is same day our new computer classes start hope we get back [KN] in time for them. Got more resumes and cover letters realy send [KN] out tonight. [KN] [KN] God Bless, [KN] Kay Hello Kay, We have had you in our thoughts and prayers here ...sorry to here that things are not doing to well but; we will keep praying for you and I know that things will get better:) God Bless you always! Alecia & Bobby --- NorthStar 3.00 * Origin: The Christmas Star (1:285/82.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00002Date: 02/25/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 07:26pm \/To: MONIKA KOETHNIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Happy Valentine Day On (22 Feb 97) Monika Koethnig wrote to Kay Newman... Hello Monika, MK> With deep respect I read about your school attendance and I wish you MK> and Bill courage, energy, humor and faith to reach your aims. Thank you. KN> What ages are your children? Please write and tell me more about KN> yourself and family. Our daughter, Mari-Kay, is 26 and married. We have three grandchildren: Diana Lynn 6; Freddy William 4 (will be 5 in May), and Kirk Michael 2 (will be 3 in July). MK> Our daughters are 7 and 9. Judith, the little one is in 2nd grade. MK> Ruth (9) goes to a special school for speech handicaped children. MK> Luckily it is in our little town. I am glad school is in your little town as it makes it good for all in family. Sounds like you have a nice little family. MK> Juergen, my husband, is a teacher. The computer is his hobby and so in MK> case of problems I always have the expert nearby. MK> I am engineer (surveyor) but quit working when Ruth arrived. I like MK> my job as fulltime mother very much. I didn't work till Mari-Kay was senior in high school. I worked before she was born but was home full time when she was little. I feel that is way it should be but I know it isn't always possible. I guess I am old-fashioned. (S) Beside children and houshold I MK> invest time in several honorary work at school and church. MK> We like to travel and spend almost whole vacation on the road - by MK> bike, bus or train, because we don't own a car. MK> 89/90 we stayed a year in Texas and that was a great experience for MK> us. I enjoy reading about you and your family. Please write anytime always glad to hear from you. Always nice meet new people and chat with them. I always answer my personal mail when I come on but don't always answer anything else. So address it to me and I will answer your note. MK> Kay, don't give up. I believe in your power to solve your problems. MK> Thank you again for the time you spend on answering my mail. We graduate tomorrow from Module I of our computer class. The second Module starts 3/3. God Bless you and family, Kay ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00003Date: 02/25/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 07:45pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello On (24 Feb 97) Sondra Ball wrote to Kay Newman... SB> It *was* very warm, but it just got cold again. But I am convinced, SB> nevertheless, that it really *is* spring. Okay, have you seen any robins? I know you saw a pretty flower. We have snow again! SB> KN>We will be SB> I hope you get assistence. I will be praying for ou. Did you get my other note I left here last night for you and all last night. God Bless, Kay ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00004Date: 02/25/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 08:02pm \/To: SONDRA BALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Hello On (24 Feb 97) Sondra Ball wrote to Patti Jones... SB> PJ>Sondra, > Bet that little purple flower that you saw, pushing its way out between th SB> >crack of the sidewalk at the cemetary was a Crocus.......actually SB> they are t SB> It wasn't a crocus. It was a tiny wild flower, surrounded by a small SB> thread of stem and leaves. The bloom was perhaps a quarter of an inch SB> across, perhaps smaller. I meant to look it up in my wild flower SB> book, but I haven't done that yet. Please look it up and let us know what it is. It sounds pretty. > We have had everything from 65 degrees to rain, and snow is forecast agai SB> >for tonight. Mother Nature is surely trying her best to accomadate SB> us. SB> We've been having wierd weather like that too. SB> Sondra SB> -*- SB> SLMR 2.1a I'm an antisolipsist. Everybody exists except me. SB> --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 SB> * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00005Date: 02/25/97 From: KAY NEWMAN Time: 08:05pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: LaCross Did la cross game first come from Indians playing it or where? I don't know anything about game or where it came from so was just wondering out loud. Thanks, Kay ... Kay Newman -- Rochester, NY -- kwnewman@rochgte.fidonet.org --- PPoint 2.02 * Origin: Kay's Place Rochester, NY (1:2613/333.11) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00006Date: 02/25/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: I Dance all Night KS> KS> SB> I Dance All Night > > SB> by Sondra Ball KS> It speaks to me in ways I can't express... in different ways and > on different levels. It brings memories of feelings and a lot > of different emotions to the surface. But... I think you know > very well how that works. I just got my copy of the magazine it's published in. The artist drew a picture beside it of a small child reaching up to a woman. It's sometimes strange what thoughts go through a person's head when they read a poem. I wonder why the small child and the woman. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a My soul has grown deep like the rivers -- Langston Hughes --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00007Date: 02/25/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: KAROLINA STUTZMAN (Read 0 times) Subj: Surprises KS> SB> Back when God was young, and before I decided to experiment with > SB> birth, *I* invented work. *I* saw the potential for *you* (after irth > SB> was invented, of course) to be fattened by too many bonbons, losing > SB> your ability to run away from PCH when he shows up at your door; KS> (And what's all this "*I*, *I*, *you*" stuff. I thought **I** was the > one that was Gaia in another conference, er, life). (heheheh) I become all sorts of things in this conference, depending on my mood and the thread. I am *always*, however, a Cherokee princess, and the head of Cherokee Princess Enterprises (TM). That's consistent. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I appoint you ambassador to Fantasy Island. --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 212 INDIAN AFFAIRS Ref: E2V00008Date: 02/25/97 From: SONDRA BALL Time: 08:31pm \/To: MONIKA KOETHNIG (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Sondra's Taglines MK>Do you know the German idiom: Was Du heute kannst besorgen, das verschiebe >nicht auf morgen! ( What you can do today don't save for tomorrow) MK>Am I right, Sondra? MK>I just checked my bed: no tomorrow in there!:-) I think, like most good taglines, it has a score of meanings behind it, and all of them are true. That's the nature of a good haiku, too. Sondra -*- SLMR 2.1a I started at the top and worked down. Orsen Wells --- Opus-CBCS 1.7x via O_QWKer 1.1 * Origin: the fifth age - milford ct - 203-876-1473 (1:141/355.0)