--------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDM00001 Date: 09/17/97 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 02:26am \/To: NANCY WOOD (Read 0 times) Subj: Save the critters -> Pollution of the waters, air, and the land of Earth can all be -> pinpointed to Man. Yes? ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDN00000 Date: 09/18/97 From: JAMES ROOT Time: 09:07am \/To: NANCY WOOD (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: Save the critters -=> Quoting Nancy Wood to All <=- NW> I've been watching a lot of tv programming lately about all NW> the dwindling of the populations of some of the species NW> of animals world-wide. A lot of this is, according to NW> most of what has been stated on the programming, as being NW> attributed to "man's encroachment on the animal(s)' NW> territory." NW> There are so many animals that have larger populations in NW> captivity than those particular species have in the wild. NW> Then there are those species of flora and fauna that become extinct on NW> a daily basis because of man's depleting the tropical rain NW> forests for population, lumber, agricultural, cattle NW> raising and other reasons. NW> One of the few 'fauna' that has increased population from NW> the turn of the century is MAN aka homo sapiens ... and NW> MAN is the perpetrator of most, if not all, of the demise NW> of the recent extinct or near extinct species. NW> Pollution of the waters, air, and the land of Earth can NW> all be pinpointed to Man. NW> Nancy NW> -!- FMail 1.02 NW> ! Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX NW> (1:387/510) Dear Nancy! I am quoting your entire message here, because it's a good one. I have heard that the estimates that are due to man's technological advancement and industrial wastage, we can expect a 50% reduction in the population of wild life by the year 2100. Sincerely, James ... Time is an illusion. Lunchtime's a good example... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: Fun and Private Bbs (1:250/123) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDU00000 Date: 09/21/97 From: CORY MCINTYRE Time: 09:44pm \/To: NANCY WOOD (Read 0 times) Subj: adivce A word of advice that i think is helpful is not to write big long paragraphs to make a point...just spit out the main ideas....most people are too lazy to read the whole thing especially non-environmentally concerned people who are too lazy to walk ten steps to a garbage can to throw something out....I'm contridicting myself right now by not using my short paragraph advice but oh well!!!!:) Cory McIntyre --- Renegade v5-11 Exp * Origin: A Place Between Time and Space...The Continuum BBS (1:353/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDV00000 Date: 09/25/97 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 06:33pm \/To: CORY MCINTYRE (Read 0 times) Subj: adivce CM>A word of advice that i think is helpful is not to write big long CM>paragraphs to make a point...just spit out the main ideas....most people CM>are too lazy to read the whole thing especially non-environmentally CM>concerned people who are too lazy to walk ten steps to a garbage can to CM>throw something out....I'm contridicting myself right now by not using my CM>short paragraph advice but oh well!!!!:) Better ADVICE: I'm the owner AND the moderator of ENVIRON echo! My theater, my forum... If I want to fill it full of long, lengthy (up to 16k) paragraphs, I can! See below: ENVIRON Echo Rules and Guidelines. Moderator: Nancy Wood, (1:387/510) The ENVIRON Echo was created to bring together individuals interested in discussing environmental topics together in a controllable forum where ideas, theories or just plain discussions can take place without childish activity that plagues many other fidonet echos. The rules are very simple and extremely easy to follow. Gating will be allowed into other nets but prior permission must be obtained. The Rules: 1) All topics discussed MUST have some relationship to the environment in some manner. 2) There will be NO toleration of FLAMES in this echo. There was one incident where an individual tried to get around the rules because of their position in Fidonet. Unfortunately for this person, they have been banned forever from the echo and almost lost their nodenumber. If you can't "post nice", then don't post! 3) ANY and ALL complaints MUST be sent via NETMAIL to 1:387/510. 4) Anti-environmental discussions are allowed. This is to allow the full spectrum of the issues at hand to be seen and will allow for the downside of an argument to be discussed. Anti-environmentalism is discouraged as it is what got us in this mess. 5) The moderator is the ULTIMATE authority in this echo. If you have a problem with the echo, do not go to the NEC or REC, come to me. That's why I'm here. 6) The ENVIRON Echo is the sole property of the moderator and not the property of its participants. 7) The use of Pseudos or fake names is NOT ALLOWED. If you want to be excepted, netmail me and I'll make each decision on an individual basis. 8) Topics that are ILLEGAL or that could cause major political problems in the echo are not allowed. We do not need a rebirth of the arguments for drug legalization (which has nothing to do with the environment) or abortions etc (the same applies). Punishment Procedure The moderator has TOTAL discretion on punitive actions. Systems that offend the rules may find themselves out of the echo for anywhere from a week to a permanent removal. Thank you Nancy Wood 1:387/510 ENVIRON Echo Moderator rules posted by Nancy Wood, 1:387/510, nanwood@juno.com Nancy Wood MODERATOR --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDX00000 Date: 09/27/97 From: TERRY RICKS Time: 01:35pm \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Edwards Aquifer I just received my water bill today. Inside there was a questionaire from SAWS (thats San Antonio Water Systems for those non-locals who read this). SAWS is taking a survey on how well they are performing. The first three questions that were asked dealt with their environmental conservation practices. I rated all three as extremely poor. Reason: I thought that policies were made 10 or more years ago that essencially prevented all construction over the aquifer. Now look at it!!! The primary recharge area along IH10E is being paved over faster that it takes for me to write about it! Business on top of business, and arces of recharge soils being paved over. The lesser area along US 281 N are not fairing much better in some sections. Also all along N Loop 1604 between IH 10 and US 281. When doesn't it stop? Why does our government, which we put into these positions of authority, continue to violate environmental policy? Is it our own fault? Do we really want more shopping centers instead of water? Why are we giving these developers permits to kill us? There is plenty of land to develop to the east, south, and west of San Antonio, where there is NO RECHARGE ZONE! So why do these developers keep going north? MONEY! The north side is where the money population is! Money talks, money is power and influence, and money is going to kill the community because it takes away all COMMON SENSE! I have yet to see any environmental impact statements on the building along IH 10 E. What is being done to capture the rain water that is NOT going into the aquifer because of all of the paved over acres? Have water collecting check dams been built? Cisterns to capture rain water? ANYTHING? NOT! It's way passed time that we, the people, woke up, gave up the love of money, and stated worring about what our grandchildren are going to drink in in the next century. * AmyBW v2.14 * --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDX00001 Date: 09/27/97 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 10:56pm \/To: TERRY RICKS (Read 0 times) Subj: Edwards Aquifer > I just received my water bill today. Inside there was > a questionaire from SAWS (thats San Antonio Water Systems for those non- > locals who read this). SAWS is taking a survey on how well they are > performing. The first three questions that were asked dealt with their > environmental conservation practices. > I rated all three as extremely poor. Reason: I > thought that policies were made 10 or more years ago that essencially > prevented all construction over the aquifer. Now look at it!!! The > primary recharge area along IH10E is being paved over faster that it > takes for me to write about it! Business on top of business, and arces of > recharge soils being paved over. The lesser area along US 281 N are not > fairing much better in some sections. Also all > along N Loop 1604 between IH 10 and US 281. Put the paving along with all the storm run-off from the highways and also from all the businesses (because of vehicles), it doesn't look good! ;( > When doesn't it stop? Why does our government, which > we put into these positions of authority, continue to violate > environmental policy? Is it our own fault? Do we really want more > shopping centers instead of water? > Why are we giving these developers permits to kill us? But that's where the folks wanna build, Terry... ;-\ You know how progress goes - one giant step forward and about 10 steps back... especially around here! > There is plenty of land to develop to the east, south, > and west of San Antonio, where there is NO RECHARGE ZONE! So why do > these developers keep going north? MONEY! Yep... You got it nailed. Money does wonders... after all it *is* the root of all evil! > The north side is where the money population is! > Money talks, money is power and influence, and money is going to kill the > community because it takes away all COMMON SENSE! > I have yet to see any environmental impact statements > on the building along IH 10 E. What is being done to capture the rain water > that is NOT going into the aquifer because of all of the paved over > acres? Have water collecting check dams been built? Cisterns to capture > rain water? ANYTHING? > NOT! > It's way passed time that we, the people, woke up, > gave up the love of money, and stated worring about what our grandchildren > are going to drink in in the next century. I know what you mean... It took years for Florida to enact 'county plans' - making sure that areas weren't being overly populated and that the wetlands would be preserved. Plus a lot of changes were made in building code requirements, even on how the stormwater run-off and the cutting of trees would be handled. Still, there's a lot that slip by the inspectors, either from just oversight or from a 'slip' into the wallet! When Highway 231 there was widened through the upper Panhandle of Florida to the Alabama state line, there was a debate for months about the heritage oak trees (likened to TX live oaks... and supposedly protected against cutting) that lined 231 through Campbellton and a couple more small towns.It was known internationally (US and Canadian traffic through to Panama City, Tallahassee, and Pensacola/Fort Walton/Destin area) that there were vegetable and fruit stand vendors on both sides of the road through Campbellton and several of the other communities. The state decided it was okay to widen the road, cutting those trees, and eliminating most of the roadside vendors through that area, just for the sack of widening the road. There were folks on the other side of the debate, asking for the state to divert around the communities involved, so the trees could be spared, and so folks could still go through the towns, and all the vendors could still operate their roadside stands. The state, in its infinite wisdom, decided the roads would be widened through those towns, and that the trees would be cut. Those trees that didn't get cut got severely trimmed, losing the majority of their massive branches. (Talk about changing a scenic tree-lined road to a sparce 4-laned road...). To make the situation even worse, the state BURNED the wood - all furniture quality wood. They didn't even allow any one in need of firewood to get any - just piled it all up in huge piles and burned it....(What a bonfire...! And a waste!) Talk about fur flying! I went up there about 6 months later, and was totally shocked and saddened by what I saw. What trees that remained were so badly trimmed up that I wondered if the trees would survive. And it was all for progress - and could have been avoided. Nancy --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDY00000 Date: 09/28/97 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 01:59pm \/To: CORY MCINTYRE (Read 0 times) Subj: adivce > hey i was just trying to help!!!!!!!!!:) > According > to your rules this must be about an environmental issue so...... >i'll mention i recycled my pop can today:) That's great! Every little bit helps! > and so I can't have a handle my real name is > Cory McIntyre... As a rule-of-thumb, handles aren't allowed within fidonet backbone echoes. That was why the mention in the rules that handles would not normally be allowed in the echo. (Usually, there's a reason of some sort for the user needing to use a handle... and is decided on an individual basis. Nancy --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue BBS 210-533-5668 San Antonio, TX (1:387/510) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDY00001 Date: 09/26/97 From: CORY MCINTYRE Time: 08:56pm \/To: NANCY WOOD (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: adivce hey i was just trying to help!!!!!!!!!:) According to your rules this must be about an environmental issue so......i'll mention i recycled my pop can today:) and so I can't have a handle my real name is Cory McIntyre...(sorry if i came off as a smart a*s in my last message or in this one) Email: cmm37@hotmail.com --- Squish/386 v1.11 * Origin: A Place Between Time and Space...The Continuum BBS (1:353/353) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EDZ00000 Date: 09/28/97 From: ELVIS HARGROVE Time: 02:26pm \/To: CORY MCINTYRE (Read 0 times) Subj: Re: adivce -> be about an environmental issue so......i'll mention i recycled my -> pop can Hi Cory. Does your town have garbage cans for recyling? We got a black one for garbage and a blue one for recyclables. Some days I can't remember which is for what. ^..^ --- FidoPCB v1.5 beta-'j' * Origin: BOO! Board Of Occult, Rio Grande Valley Texas (1:397/6) --------------- FIDO MESSAGE AREA==> TOPIC: 211 ENVIRONMENT Ref: EE200000 Date: 10/01/97 From: NANCY WOOD Time: 02:45am \/To: ALL (Read 0 times) Subj: Echo Rules ENVIRON Echo Rules and Guidelines. Moderator: Nancy Wood, (1:387/510) The ENVIRON Echo was created to bring together individuals interested in discussing environmental topics together in a controllable forum where ideas, theories or just plain discussions can take place without childish activity that plagues many other fidonet echos. The rules are very simple and extremely easy to follow. Gating will be allowed into other nets but prior permission must be obtained. The Rules: 1) All topics discussed MUST have some relationship to the environment in some manner. 2) There will be NO toleration of FLAMES in this echo. There was one incident where an individual tried to get around the rules because of their position in Fidonet. Unfortunately for this person, they have been banned forever from the echo and almost lost their nodenumber. If you can't "post nice", then don't post! 3) ANY and ALL complaints MUST be sent via NETMAIL to 1:387/510. 4) Anti-environmental discussions are allowed. This is to allow the full spectrum of the issues at hand to be seen and will allow for the downside of an argument to be discussed. Anti-environmentalism is discouraged as it is what got us in this mess. 5) The moderator is the ULTIMATE authority in this echo. If you have a problem with the echo, do not go to the NEC or REC, come to me. That's why I'm here. 6) The ENVIRON Echo is the sole property of the moderator and not the property of its participants. 7) The use of Pseudos or fake names is NOT ALLOWED. If you want to be excepted, netmail me and I'll make each decision on an individual basis. 8) Topics that are ILLEGAL or that could cause major political problems in the echo are not allowed. We do not need a rebirth of the arguments for drug legalization (which has nothing to do with the environment) or abortions etc (the same applies). Punishment Procedure The moderator has TOTAL discretion on punitive actions. Systems that offend the rules may find themselves out of the echo for anywhere from a week to a permanent removal. Thank you Nancy Wood 1:387/510 ENVIRON Echo Moderator rules posted by Nancy Wood, 1:387/510, nanwood@juno.com --- FMail 1.02 * Origin: Electronic Avenue-San Antonio,TX 210.533.5668 (1:387/510)